ObiJuanShenobi Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 That's not really true. You're referring to non-subs. In a lot of those games subs don't pay for any of those expansions/DLC. If TOR wants to charge non-subs for Makeb, that's fine. Charging subs for it is an entirely different animal. Not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiJuanShenobi Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Guys...ask WoW if they charge their subs $50 an expansion. You aren't special, stop acting like it. Pay the 10 dollars and hush Edited December 31, 2012 by ObiJuanShenobi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_nonymous Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Once again, just because they call it an expansion doesn't mean it is one. But whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amodin Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) I have no problems with micro-transactions. Every game is doing them. Knock yourself out as long as it's not P2W stuff (which TOR has done, but that's another topic). What new games have come out as F2P right on release? Just to make a couple that I play - Planetside 2, Guild Wars 2. Guys...ask WoW if they charge their subs $50 an expansion. You aren't special, stop acting like it. Pay the 10 damn dollars and hush Spoken like a true corporate fanboy. Edited December 31, 2012 by Amodin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_nonymous Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Just to make a couple that I play - Planetside 2, Guild Wars 2. Spoken like a true corporate fanboy. Those aren't real F2P. Well, Planetside is, but Guild Wars 2 is a buy to play model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senatsu Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Since when was increasing the level cap equal to being held hostage? Well, I want to stay at level 1 forever, but those bastards in the game industry wants me to level up. What type of ******** is that, I should be able to get the same content everyone else gets and see it all even though I'm level 1! I pay the same they do and I am entitled to EVERYTHING without doing **** to get it. Does my sarcasm get the point across? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiJuanShenobi Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Just to make a couple that I play - Planetside 2, Guild Wars 2. Spoken like a true corporate fanboy. Spoken like a true MMO player, actually. Unlike some, I actually get how these games work and I accept my part in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyons_Crest Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 i completely agree OP. I recently bought a car. Gas should be free forever ! i mean...i bought the car! now i gotta pay for gas too ?!?!?! THEN i went to burger king. because mcdonalds sucks. but anyways i bought this meal deal for $4.99...and they offer an EXPANSION to large size ! and GET THIS ! they want to charge extra for it ?!?!! zomg !!! seriously, how many of these people crying about paying for an expansion threads do we have to tolerate? ROFLMAOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know.... LMAO I can't stop laughing here LMAO ... This comment ends the debate on ten USD I think... LOL Very nice post very nice !!! =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumajin Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) @ Juma - This is neither here nor there, but you do know that TSW is published by EA? I do. It's the same arrangement as SOE publishing Pirates of the Burning Sea, or Cubicle 7 Entertainment publishing/distributing the RPG books my company designs and produces. They publish/distribute TSW, but have absolutely no say in design or direction, nor any investment in development or production. That is purely FunCom, for good or bad (and I won't pretend that AO or AoC were anywhere near stellar). I'm okay with EA being a publisher. I would never have bought TSW if they had any further involvement. And yes, I am aware that they get a piece of the money-pie for being the publisher/distributor. That's fine. They don't have a say in any development, though, and that's what matters for me. Touche, he does seem poorly informed indeed. Actually, quite the opposite. I am well aware of the extent of EA's relationship with TSW. There is a huge difference in being the publisher/distributor, and the developer. EA is the former for TSW, not the latter. And that has been confirmed several times. It does appear as though you are poorly informed, however. Edited December 31, 2012 by Jumajin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asuka Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I can hardly believe that if i pay a sub fee to pvp, that my cap increase is held hostage by EA until i pay them more money. This is outrageous. I have zero interest in class quests or other random theme park missions, yet the only thing i pay for, pvp, will no longer be competetive for me unless i pay the ransom. If this turns out to be so...Shame on you EA. They are in the business of making money also they haven't released all the details yet and probably won't until they are ready to do so. Also it's $10 which is like 1 lunch @ Subway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altyrell Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) That's not really true. You're referring to non-subs. In a lot of those games subs don't pay for any of those expansions/DLC. If TOR wants to charge non-subs for Makeb, that's fine. Charging subs for it is an entirely different animal. Um, I was a subscriber of SWG, EQ, and my Dad & Sister plays WoW. And last I checked, I HAD to Pay for the Expansions for SWG and Everquest and I just double checked, both my dad & sister had to buy the Expansions of WoW to experience the stuff that was introduced in those Expansions. So yeah, Subscribers STILL have to and had to buy the Expansions in order to experience everything that got added through the Expansions. In WoW, in order to make a Monk, you have to have had bought the Panda Expansion. Back in SWG, in order to go to Mustafar, you had to have bought the Expansion Trials of Obi-Wan Edited December 31, 2012 by Altyrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboB Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 -snip- Been back for a month and already the shenanigans ensue. Unsubbing to commemorate this new content update, Makeb, and in response to this policy of ignorance. I thought you were leaving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumajin Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) In WoW, in order to make a Panda, you have to have had bought the Panda Expansion. That part is not true. Blizzard changed that when MoP released. All MoP gives you is the Battle Pets, the level 85-90 zones, and the new raids and such. As of the launch of MoP, ALL races from ALL expansions, and ALL starting areas, are included as a basic part of WoW, now. You do need MoP to play the Monk class, just as you still need WoTLK to play a Death Knight, however. Edited December 31, 2012 by Jumajin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altyrell Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 That part is not true. Blizzard changed that when MoP released. All MoP gives you is the Battle Pets, the level 85-90 zones, and the new raids and such. As of the launch of MoP, ALL races from ALL expansions, and ALL starting areas, are included as a basic part of WoW, now. You do need MoP to play the Monk class, just as you still need WoTLK to play a Death Knight, however. Ah ok, I knew that you needed to have bought the Expansion in order to create something that was brought in by the Expansion. I just couldn't remember if it was the Class or Race. But regardless, the point still stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grombrinda Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 They are in the business of making money also they haven't released all the details yet and probably won't until they are ready to do so. Also it's $10 which is like 1 lunch @ Subway. I thought they were supposed to make money with the cartel market ? I mean why is it there in the first place ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkkChaos Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I thought they were supposed to make money with the cartel market ? I mean why is it there in the first place ?? What does that have to do with anything? You expect them to simply implement one single point of income (2 if you count sub's)..............and everything after that is FREE? Again........it's $10 - if people are that hard up for $10, you should seriously re-think your gaming lifestyle. Games are expensive - $10 is not - deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimasterjac Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 The idea of paying for an expansion in an MMO is not a new one, nor is 10$ a bad price. the issue itslf is you, who only plays PvP, the arguably 'worst' part of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typeslice Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I can hardly believe that if i pay a sub fee to pvp, that my cap increase is held hostage by EA until i pay them more money. This is outrageous. I have zero interest in class quests or other random theme park missions, yet the only thing i pay for, pvp, will no longer be competetive for me unless i pay the ransom. If this turns out to be so...Shame on you EA. Industry standard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxetius Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 If TOR has taught us one thing, it's that 'wait and see' is better than 'buybuybuy' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafaman Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Ransom? Lol! By that logic all games are held for ransom. In order to play you have to pay. WTH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaulTheConquerer Posted December 31, 2012 Author Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Ransom? Lol! By that logic all games are held for ransom. In order to play you have to pay. WTH? The lack of imagination is astounding. Do so many who take issue need me to hold their hands? Ok, then. Come, come! Purchase price $59.99 Monthly sub fee $14.99x12 = $179.88 Total=$ 239.87 It's very unsightly to observe the number of comments that imply not wanting to add further to these expenses above makes one a cheap skate by virtue of wallet size. If like myself, you bought the game at retail, theres nothing "free" about this. I'm not clawing for the game for "free". So enough with the unfounded accusation of "wanting something for nothing". I simply want what i pay for. Unfortunately, i am not granted even that without incurring additional expense. As a note, i realize there are some of you, according to a small survey i made, who have spent $500 and even $1000 on cartel coins! I'm afraid If you are sitting on an elder dragons horde of cartel coins, we may never see eye to eye on any of this(exception being that Makeb should be purchasable with coins ). Edited January 1, 2013 by RaulTheConquerer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_nonymous Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 You people just don't get it. Not a single person on here has complained that the price is too high. But you focus on the price for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximusRex Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Expansions typically increase level caps and cost money. This one is cheaper then most. Its not really a new practice in MMOs, so I guess I don't understand the shock or outrage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeweledleah Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 I've been playing since release. in fact, i have preordered (and I still wish they made lvl 50 crystals cheaper from preorder vendor, but I'll live) I bought digital deluxe upgrade when it was still $20 and not 5 like it is right now. I've been a subscriber all this time. I have preordered Rise of the hutt cartel. why? for the same reason I pay for single player DLC's. for the same reason I paid for expansions both for MMO's and for single player games. I've farily sure that "YOU SHALL NOT PAY" lotro ALSO charges you for expansions. whether you are lifetime subscriber, monthly subscriber or free player. because there's a difference between base game being free and extra content being free. SWTOR base game is now free. subscribers get small content patches for free (like section x), similar to how subscribing to LOTRO gives you full access to all the quest packs, minus the expansions. if you chose to enjoy only a singular aspect of the game, its not a developers fault. its your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaulTheConquerer Posted January 1, 2013 Author Share Posted January 1, 2013 (edited) I've been playing since release. in fact, i have preordered (and I still wish they made lvl 50 crystals cheaper from preorder vendor, but I'll live) I bought digital deluxe upgrade when it was still $20 and not 5 like it is right now. I've been a subscriber all this time. I have preordered Rise of the hutt cartel. why? for the same reason I pay for single player DLC's. for the same reason I paid for expansions both for MMO's and for single player games. I've farily sure that "YOU SHALL NOT PAY" lotro ALSO charges you for expansions. whether you are lifetime subscriber, monthly subscriber or free player. because there's a difference between base game being free and extra content being free. SWTOR base game is now free. subscribers get small content patches for free (like section x), similar to how subscribing to LOTRO gives you full access to all the quest packs, minus the expansions. if you chose to enjoy only a singular aspect of the game, its not a developers fault. its your choice. Can you choose to enjoy liver and onions? Can you choose to enjoy My Little Pony(Great production quality, so not knocking those that do)? Can you choose to have an affinity for foot arousal? Do you really "choose" to enjoy anything at all? It is however their choice to cripple the most important aspect of the game, for me, pvp, until I give them even more money. Edited January 1, 2013 by RaulTheConquerer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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