Kendaric Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 yeah gonna be fun watching a Jedi/Sith deflect the blaster shots with AXES! That's the only issue I see with the axes. Do the vibroblades deflect ranged attacks as well currently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde_v Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 That's the only issue I see with the axes. Do the vibroblades deflect ranged attacks as well currently? Enemies shooting at my Jedi on Tython before they obtained their first real lightsaber were deflecting blaster bolts with their vibroblades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmontyw Posted November 10, 2012 Author Share Posted November 10, 2012 It is lore friendly. Get over it. There is lore, and there is lore. The universe established by the first three movies (and let's face it, they're the only ones that can be taken seriously) would not have Jedis with anything but lightsabres. But meh, if you don't see it and it has to be reiterated, there's hardly any point being anything but whimsical. So the only thing I'd really like to know is when we'll be getting a sparkling pony mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) yeah gonna be fun watching a Jedi/Sith deflect the blaster shots with AXES! Thats an actual force power, its called Force Deflection. Also for blocking lightsabers without a lightsaber, there is also Force Weapon. Edited November 10, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawelc Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 The thing is they look really stupid in your hand. I bought one on the pts, and my sent holds it about mid handle instead of at the bottom. It just looks really dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AelixVII Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Well, there are special rifles, snipers, and pistols that you get from the random packs that have special effects that change color depending on your color crystal, so I think thats as close as youll get Not sure about cannons though Saw those today they look pretty cool. Personally I would have used those to advertise in the video rather than the axes, unless their intention was to provoke more discussion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FINNT Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Jedi can imbue "normal" weapons with Force and also deflect blaster shots, there are materials that can withstand lightsaber blades and Jedi have superhuman endurance, speed, senses and strenght. So there is only the Lucas didn't write that Ben used force imbued quaterstaff to whack too friendly Sand People and so there should be only lightsabers line. Well this game ain't episodes 4-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meepbot Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 There is lore, and there is lore. The universe established by the first three movies (and let's face it, they're the only ones that can be taken seriously) would not have Jedis with anything but lightsabres. But meh, if you don't see it and it has to be reiterated, there's hardly any point being anything but whimsical. So the only thing I'd really like to know is when we'll be getting a sparkling pony mount. Did you really just say that the only real canon in SW is the first 3 movies made? You just discounted half the movies, every book, every game (some of which actually were non-canonical, i.e. the force unleashed sith packs), and the tv series. Thats a lot of lore you just tossed away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthRamette Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Is it bad I would use these? Not at all, I would as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glennahansen Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I thknk that you should be able to use cartel coins to buy cross weapons training, Smuggler with a doublebladed light saber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmontyw Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 I thknk that you should be able to use cartel coins to buy cross weapons training, Smuggler with a doublebladed light saber. That would be fine, so long as it cost an incredible amount, was difficult to get, and when the game rolled a fumble, you removed a limb (not having the ability to see the future and react to it before it happens, as Jedis/Sith do). ... I can't believe I'm arguing the finer points of Star Wars lore. I've turned into those geeks from the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmontyw Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 Did you really just say that the only real canon in SW is the first 3 movies made? You just discounted half the movies, every book, every game (some of which actually were non-canonical, i.e. the force unleashed sith packs), and the tv series. Thats a lot of lore you just tossed away I actually typed "canon" and deleted it before posting. I'm impressed you have used it though I read a lot of books and comics inbetween the first three movies. The lore within them generally made sense, and the authors were exceptionally careful about maintaining the tone of the universe. Beyond that, Lucas got all money hungry (that, or he didn't have a good grasp on what he had created in the first place - witness midachlorians) and begin green lighting all sorts of extravagant and tone breaking stuff. Hence now you have a literal mish mash of broken lore. So in a way, yes, I appeal to the first three movies on their own as the standard for lore. And yes again, much of what has been produced since is tripe, and diminishes the tone of the universe. There is a lot that is good too (often fan created). TL;DR appealing to some fanciful, awkward "sciencified" notion of magic metal that somehow resists lightsabres is bad enough. Suggesting Jedi/Sith would choose them over a clearly more powerful and useful lighsabre.... well. The effect on the tone of the Star Wars universe, and the core of the Jedi mythology and idea is fatal. Things immediately get smaller, and less compelling. KOTOR were good games, as they were. The lore they used (vibra swords yadda yadda) was feaking awful and sacrificed authenticity for gameplay. This is the biggest problem with all SW games past Dark Forces, Jedi Knight, XWing etc. Bioware have always created awkward half-good half-bad games. But in no way should they be used as the basis for wider lore! Anyway, it's all moot. Bioware are going to do what makes money now, not what makes better games. In this they are in the same boat as Blizzard (Jedi axes belongs in the same bucket as a Monk summoning a temple to "explode" upon its enemies). What bemuses me is how so many players no longer feel the conflict between what is happening and the original Star Wars. It shows that the circle is indeed complete :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helig Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Axes are fine. Jedis trading lightsabres for metal axes is the issue. The fact that quite a few don't immediately understand that, and why, emphasizes the point. Rather painfully, btw. In the Lore, Jedi weaponmasters successfully use weirder and even more impractical weapons. Not even talking about some of the quirkier Sith. Pretty sure exceptional individuals (which PCs are supposed to be), lift themselves above the differences in weapons, and rather rely on their mastery and focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmontyw Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 Here's the thing though: how many people would have been on the edge about continuing to play SWTOR, and then saw these axes and it's changed their mind? And then how many have been on the edge, have seen these axes, and it's been the last straw? I'm betting there are more than a few of the latter, and none of the former. Which makes me (and others) wonder at the thinking that came up with this and other ideas. It's not going to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FINNT Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Here's the thing though: how many people would have been on the edge about continuing to play SWTOR, and then saw these axes and it's changed their mind? And then how many have been on the edge, have seen these axes, and it's been the last straw? I'm betting there are more than a few of the latter, and none of the former. Which makes me (and others) wonder at the thinking that came up with this and other ideas. It's not going to get better. Wau. Your text is very nice mindtrap for about anyone non native english speaker. If I understood it right you just continue to say you hate axes and how they look. Then lots of speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CristChiLu Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 "using a hatchet where you need a scalpel." -President Obama Is the quote I thought of when i saw the trailer and the enthusiasm of the displayed by the "actor" in the video. Can be used as a metaphor to the state of the game. I say actor...cause real game developers or anyone with any SW sense would know how fail the inclusion of axes is. Its not to the NGE level fail...but its really trending toward that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmontyw Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 Wau. Your text is very nice mindtrap for about anyone non native english speaker. If I understood it right you just continue to say you hate axes and how they look. Then lots of speculation. Not exactly, and sorry for the tight reasoning. It was a *Jedi* mindtrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FINNT Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Not exactly, and sorry for the tight reasoning. It was a *Jedi* mindtrap. (The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 5 characters.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelCawdro Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) You guys realize that swords are already in the game, right? In the Star Wars universe, all melee weapons are "vibro" weapons, Gamorrean Axes included. There are also "vibro" hammers, daggers, knuckles, staves, whips and more. Read up. Even Revan and the Jedi Exile potentially wielded an axe or axes. Edited November 14, 2012 by CelCawdro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmugglersLuck Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 You guys realize that swords are already in the game, right? In the Star Wars universe, all melee weapons are "vibro" weapons, Gamorrean Axes included. There are also "vibro" hammers, daggers, knuckles, staves, whips and more. Read up. Even Revan and the Jedi Exile potentially wielded an axe or axes. Exactly but people like kmonty up there seem to have a huge problem with this. Oh well. It is nothing to get all excited over. Those axes look like fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmontyw Posted November 14, 2012 Author Share Posted November 14, 2012 You guys realize that swords are already in the game, right? In the Star Wars universe, all melee weapons are "vibro" weapons, Gamorrean Axes included. There are also "vibro" hammers, daggers, knuckles, staves, whips and more. Read up. Even Revan and the Jedi Exile potentially wielded an axe or axes. ...you're completely missing the point. Maybe reread the thread? *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazingShadow Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 You guys realize that swords are already in the game, right? In the Star Wars universe, all melee weapons are "vibro" weapons, Gamorrean Axes included. There are also "vibro" hammers, daggers, knuckles, staves, whips and more. Read up. Even Revan and the Jedi Exile potentially wielded an axe or axes. so what was all that weapon breaking I was watching in episode 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 "using a hatchet where you need a scalpel." -President Obama Is the quote I thought of when i saw the trailer and the enthusiasm of the displayed by the "actor" in the video. Can be used as a metaphor to the state of the game. I say actor...cause real game developers or anyone with any SW sense would know how fail the inclusion of axes is. Its not to the NGE level fail...but its really trending toward that. I know id rather bring a hatchet than a scalpel to a fight... But it doesnt matter since you already have vibroswords, techblades, practice swords and whatnot... why complain over the inclusion of an axe? an axe that has already been part of the canon since the 3rd movie btw (thats ep 6 for you kiddies out there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 So, Jedi/Sith will be running around with axes instead of lightsabres come the F2P release. Axes. Do they come with Dwarven beards as well? Can they be upgraded to kitchen knives perhaps? You say Jedi, I immediately think "ax". It's a natural part of the fantasy, and lore. This is going to be so great. Well, they are already running around with vibroswords and practiceswords so what does it matter if they run around with an axe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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