NinjaScroll Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) 'right, I do not want to start a war about it but ... something has to be done. I always though brackets were bad but a necessary evil. It's nice to have our stats bolstered ... it doesn't do much to help fight against a better armed people. (Talents > Skills > Stats) While it is true that you can take on people higher than you with very little effort, you are still weak due to a lack of "talents" which others have... Brackets are a necessary evil and I intend to pound the drum as often as I can on this matter. No need to have 10 brackets, 2 or 3 should suffice plenty. Just so people are not crushed beneath the anything "overwhelming" such as a bunch of level 30's and above (just got out of Void Star, that's about what it was, a bunch of level 30+ vs a bunch of lvl 10, it was ugly.) I understand some people will flame this thread and start to ask me to L2P but... It won't stop me. BioWare, altho I enjoy PvP as is... Something will have to be done post-launch. *EDIT* Originally Posted by Misfit I disagree as a lvl 15-18 BH there are a lot of times I top the dmg/kill chart. There are times at that same range with my Sith Jugg that I have scored 2/3 goals in huttball and made a difference. I just wish the queue times were shorter. By making brackets I think the queue times would go up and some brackets would not even have any action. The game gets interesting at around this level, you get the essential "core" PvP talents (In my case, "sap" and force speed & force slow) It allows you to keep up with the rest of the group while having a tactical advantage of some sort over your foes. The more you progress into the game, the less you notice your inferiority but 'til you get there... Well, the game is practically a "sit & die" or a "hunt & kill" way of life which kinda gets depressing over time. (You either enjoy your fate as a lowbie and die with a smile on your face, knowing just can't & won't do any better OR you hold back and pick your fights therefore you hunt the low lifers to inflict them a killing blow which can also result in a depressive state of mind since you're merely doing anything but to steal some1's hard work.) My point is, the game is fun... that didn't change so far BUT having brackets would make this "fun" more attractive and funnier than fun. I'm not saying we need them now tho but we'll most definitely need them to keep our lowbies interested in the game. Edited December 20, 2011 by NinjaScroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HavenAE Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Agree. they need to at least make some kind of system so a level 10 doesn't play against a level 40 or 50 it just isn't fair. Even with bolster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaro Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I'd have to agree, I'm not one to support the bracket system, but when its level 30s vs level 10s it's a little bit much. The only problem is that how does one split the brackets up? 10-19 is too restricted, whereas 10 - 24 and 25 - 50 is a massive level gap. If there's anything to be done with PvP, the only two options are to have it either extremely restricted (10 - 19 and so on), or keep it the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anedorivan Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) I'd have to agree, I'm not one to support the bracket system, but when its level 30s vs level 10s it's a little bit much. The only problem is that how does one split the brackets up? 10-19 is too restricted, whereas 10 - 24 and 25 - 50 is a massive level gap. If there's anything to be done with PvP, the only two options are to have it either extremely restricted (10 - 19 and so on), or keep it the way it is. I would do 10-29, 30-49, and give 50s their own bracket. Edited December 18, 2011 by anedorivan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebenharvest Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 The bolster effect does not nearly make up for the extreme difference in abilities/talents. In fact it makes the lower level players W T F when they vs a player that is say lvl 50 and has every ability they can. while this lvl 10 has what 6 spells or less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iambeanie Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I would do 10-29, 30-49, and give 50s their own bracket. This. I find (as a level 12-16) in PvP i stand a strong chance of fighting back given the stat boosts but i almost always get dropped by characters above 30. 10-29, 30-49 and 50 seems a very sensible way to separate the levels in PvP and 50s definitely need their own bracket, if only so that the game will actually be challenging for them =-). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetorept Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 We had one level 50 Jedi wrecking everyone in Voidstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twmwalters Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I soloed a 50 jedi with my 28 BH. Lulz. Thank you bolster, my epeen is enormous now. I agree there should be more brackets though. and way more warzones, huttball every match is getting old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaksha Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Yeah the bolster thing confuses me because skills make such a huge difference in the game. If they bolster system was really meant to even the odds, they would need to bolster low level characters even more (bolster scaled by level), so in stats a bolstered lv10 is better than a lv50, to try and even out the difference in gear and learnt abilities/skill. I've also seem MMO pvp where instead of bolstering low levels, you drop high levels. So we could have say, a few PVP instances, lv10-lv20, lv30-lv40, etc. And if a lv50 wants to play in a lower level instance, they get dropped back to lv10 and their gear bonuses get proportionally reduced and any skills/abilities they learnt later than lv10 will not be useable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokkodo Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 (edited) Whatever system the bolstering is using seems flawed as well. I've noticed sometimes characters seem to be incredibly strong or incredibly fragile. Edited December 19, 2011 by Dokkodo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mufutiz Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 It's ridiculous Bolstering is a great mechanic - to buff level 10's up to level 19 so the playing field is fair. but no brackets is total rubbish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kroktar Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 (edited) Agree, but i would just make 2 Brackets something like 10-29 and 30-50 If you are good with your class you can outdamage many players even if you are 1x but the lack of CC will always hurt you. Edited December 19, 2011 by Kroktar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exis Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 (edited) I agree we need some type of bracket system, not too many brackets but something to split the high lvls from the nubs Edited December 19, 2011 by Exis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HavenAE Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I'd do 10-24 then 25-49 with 50's in their own bracket. I feel a level 10 has a chance against a low 20 with bolster granted nothing in PvP is ever 1v1 but when you have 8 20's vs 8 teens then the 20's are going to win out every single time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydrott Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 (edited) I know a good solution, scratch all classes, levels and gear. That way nobody can ever have any kind of advantage AT ALL!!! Brilliant idea, right? Its already bad enough as it is, dont make things any worse. Edited December 19, 2011 by Hydrott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jnaathra Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Since there are no cross server battlegrounds it has to stay this way. Unless you are all cool with half hour queue times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddim Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Fighting a level 45 as a level 13 is not fun in any way shape or form. Not to mention atm the team with the most people level 30+ almost insta win. Making pvp very un-fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fhainn Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 We sure this simply isnt a match making mechanic so that we have queue times less than 30 minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csward Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 So far on my server most people are still in the teens and 20's. I haven't seen any high level ROTFLstomping yet, but that would be awful. We could give players all their abilities and talents while in PvP only. That isn't the only problem though. Higher levels have expertise gear, which may be the biggest issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJollyRogers Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I agree with the sentiments that PvP needs to be bracketed. You can keep the bolster system within sub-50 brackets, but I honestly don't see a point in PvPing at 50 when I fight level 14s all day. How am I suppose to become a better player that way? Bracket it off. Let the 50s fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preeebs Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 i agree that the bolster system is a bad ide, but if we start to bracket up we only going to be sitting in queue all day. I do like that its server only, it makes it easy to get to known your enemy and friends. If any i whould say 10-39 and 40-50 brackets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cheeba Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 'right, I do not want to start a war about it but ... something has to be done. I always though brackets were bad but a necessary evil. It's nice to have our stats bolstered ... it doesn't do much to help fight against a better armed people. (Talents > Skills > Stats) While it is true that you can take on people higher than you with very little effort, you are still weak due to a lack of "talents" which others have... Brackets are a necessary evil and I intend to pound the drum as often as I can on this matter. No need to have 10 brackets, 2 or 3 should suffice plenty. Just so people are not crushed beneath the anything "overwhelming" such as a bunch of level 30's and above (just got out of Void Star, that's about what it was, a bunch of level 30+ vs a bunch of lvl 10, it was ugly.) I understand some people will flame this thread and start to ask me to L2P but... It won't stop me. BioWare, altho I enjoy PvP as is... Something will have to be done post-launch. I didn't even think it would needed to be brought up as the whole concept of "one big free for all" in BGs is dumb. I mean who actually sat back and thought "ya know what, let's group all players together regardless of their level and let them fight it out in a BG. We can buff their stats up and that will even everything out...blah...blah...blah"...whoever came up with this should be fired (or hopefully already is). As OP mentions, big f**kin deal if you buff their stats, they still have ZERO special attacks that are worthwhile and always results in the lower levels getting steamrolled. Take a tip from WoW with the BGs, you don't need to break it up into a ton of groups but a few will definitely be better than the garbage system that is implemented now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrilokka Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 (edited) I don't think there should be brackets. I have met some pretty good lower level players that have beaten me. If it's a huge deal just bolster people more. I fear that brackets will make ques for warzone hours long. Or just do like 2 brackets: 10-40 and 41-50 or something like that. Edited December 19, 2011 by Shrilokka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensiberia Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Iam so f----n crazy just playd wf where was seven players 50 lvl and we were 10-19! They have all abilities, all passive, all pvp stats from purple equipment! It is the gankfest! 10-19, 20-29, 30-39. 40-49, 50 it is law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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