Invoky Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 Supposedly this talent reset Master Strike CD and general 2 focus. Do you have to have Master Strike CD to be reset for this ability to generate 2 focus? Someone told me that Master Strike is lower DPS compare to use OD/PB/BS, so I try to not use Master Strike. I'd like to know that if my Master Strike is usually up, will Zen Strike still proc while Master Strike have CD and give me 2 focus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defendurname Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 Yes it still procs even if master strike isnt on cd. But after 1.2 master strike does tons of damage so I try to use it whenever its off cd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invoky Posted May 12, 2012 Author Share Posted May 12, 2012 Yes it still procs even if master strike isnt on cd. But after 1.2 master strike does tons of damage so I try to use it whenever its off cd I almost never use MS in PVE. Multiple people have claim that MS is lower DPS compare to OS/PB/crit BS. So unless all 3 of those hard hitting skills are in CD and I have full focus, I don't use MS. That doesn't happen once in a blue moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadecounty Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 I almost never use MS in PVE. Multiple people have claim that MS is lower DPS compare to OS/PB/crit BS. So unless all 3 of those hard hitting skills are in CD and I have full focus, I don't use MS. That doesn't happen once in a blue moon. That's just flat out wrong. Master Strike after 1.2 does more damage than that rotation easily, if you aren't using it everytime its up you're doing it wrong, ESPECIALLY in PvE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invoky Posted May 13, 2012 Author Share Posted May 13, 2012 That's just flat out wrong. Master Strike after 1.2 does more damage than that rotation easily, if you aren't using it everytime its up you're doing it wrong, ESPECIALLY in PvE. That's what I used to believe until I read that post about how much dps each skill does on dummy. MS was the lowest dps compare to OS/PB/BS. Well the post was from few weeks ago and its now bury, I couldn't find it anymore. You don't have to believe me that's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadecounty Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 That's what I used to believe until I read that post about how much dps each skill does on dummy. MS was the lowest dps compare to OS/PB/BS. Well the post was from few weeks ago and its now bury, I couldn't find it anymore. You don't have to believe me that's fine. I'm not worried about believing you, or what you read, I'm more concerned with what the actual numbers are, and since I have access to my own logs, I can tell you your information is wrong. Master Strike does almost equivalent damage to an OS/BS combo, and does it at a Focus cost of zero, which is why it needs to be included in your rotation as a priority attack. If you never use it, you're spending more focus, meaning less OS/BS's, meaning less DPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defendurname Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 (edited) Master Strike probably does less damage than an Overhead Slash + Bladestorm combo with their dots, but there are some points worth noting: 1) Master Strike is free: if you use it, that means you wont need to use Strike as often, which seems like a dps increase to me. 2) Master Strike is 3 attacks, meaning there is a chance that at least 1 of the attacks will crit; with others, thats not the case, making Master Strike a bit more attractive to use in case reason 1) wasn't enough. EDIT: My dps also seems to increase when I use Master Strike every cd but since 1.2 I've never used a rotation that didnt insert Master Strike in it. I'll try later to do a parse without using it, but when I use Master Strike at every cd it makes up for about 20% of my dps roughly, which is just slightly short of the damage my Plasma Brand does(including its dot) and a lot more than Bladestorm or Overhead Slash. Edited May 14, 2012 by defendurname Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomC Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Did the person fully sunder the dummy in the MS vs OS/PB/BS test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorWhorrible Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 That's what I used to believe until I read that post about how much dps each skill does on dummy. MS was the lowest dps compare to OS/PB/BS. Well the post was from few weeks ago and its now bury, I couldn't find it anymore. You don't have to believe me that's fine. I would suggest running your own test with the MOXparser on dummy's and during raids or pvp. Master Strike is an absolute beast of an attack now. The last tick of Master Strike I've seen crit for slightly over 4k which is also the highest I've seen my Overhead Slash crit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahsbee Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Master Strike is great post 1.2, and the damage boost is one of the semi-hidden reasons that Vigilance is so much better these days. Here's some theorycrafting: http://mmo-mechanics.com/swtor/forums/Thread-Juggernaut-Guardian-DPS-Discussion To the OP - yes, you get the 2 focus regardless when Zen Strike procs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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