Richoshist Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 I find it hilarious that someone inferring they are a 2K+ WoW player is complaining about getting rolled by a FOTM class. Everyone knows that 95% of 2K+ WoW players all rolled new FOTM classes (unless they were a mage already) each season so they could reach 2K. Using my deductive reasoning, I'm willing to bet that the OP already rolled his FOTM class and is getting roflstomped by other FOTM classes. Which is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikeryo Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) Show me an MMO that has skill-based PvP and I'll show you a game that is NOT an RPG. You can't have skill in an RPG because RPGs are all about removing the player from the equation and letting the character determine the results. WoW. it's fact. if you deny this you have either never played it at all or never played competitive arena / hardmode raids before nerfs or you're just ignorant / a hater. OF COURSE SKILL IS NEVER AS CRUCIAL IN AN MMORPG AS IN AN FIRST PERSON SHOOTER - but in WoW it's close. play in 3s bracket at high ratings where everyone wears the highest tier of gear and you got very skill dependent pvp. Edited May 24, 2012 by Rikeryo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Philar Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 WoW. it's fact. if you deny this you have either never played it at all or never played competitive arena / hardmode raids before nerfs or you're just ignorant / a hater. OF COURSE SKILL IS NEVER AS CRUCIAL IN AN MMORPG AS IN AN FIRST PERSON SHOOTER - but in WoW it's close. play in 3s bracket at high ratings where everyone wears the highest tier of gear and you got very skill dependent pvp. Right, that's why only certain comps are able to reach those high ratings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradoo Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Im really disappointed in the pvp in this game. I played wow for 4 yrs and a few of my friends from wow quit swtor because the pvp in this game caters to skillcapped or low skill players. 1. Autofacing 2. Lack of macros 3. Class imbalance (although this happens to every MMO), some are pretty obvious in this game yet bw devs drag their feet as usual. Im beginning to wonder if bw intended it this way to cater to <2k bads from wow to actually feel like they are worthy BTW plz roll more fotm classes guys, no skill required....shadows,sents /smirk Sounds like someone got his *** handed to him when he thought he was a god. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikeryo Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) Right, that's why only certain comps are able to reach those high ratings that's why I used caps, but that sentence was obviously wasted. right, it's called class synergy. that's how most MMOs work. but that doesn't exclude skill. Edited May 24, 2012 by Rikeryo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Philar Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 that's why I used caps, but that sentence was obviously wasted. right, it's called class synergy. that's how most MMOs work. but that doesn't exclude skill. Which is 100% unrelated to player skill. Since the WoW model very clearly rewards class synergy at a high enough level to be the primary determining factor of success at "high ratings" (as evidenced by the leaderboards only containing the current FOTM comps), you cannot argue that WoW's system is based on player skill. It is very much an RPG and therefore very much based on numbers to determine outcomes. In all attempts at PvP there is a degree of player skill involved, but any system that attempts to combine PvP and RPG is doomed to fail from the start since they two are mutually exclusive and the resulting hybrid will fail to reward skill in any meaningful way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangarrage Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) Im really disappointed in the pvp in this game. I played wow for 4 yrs and a few of my friends from wow quit swtor because the pvp in this game caters to skillcapped or low skill players. 1. Autofacing 2. Lack of macros 3. Class imbalance (although this happens to every MMO), some are pretty obvious in this game yet bw devs drag their feet as usual. Im beginning to wonder if bw intended it this way to cater to <2k bads from wow to actually feel like they are worthy BTW plz roll more fotm classes guys, no skill required....shadows,sents /smirk oh man someone referring to wow as real pvp is so laughable I am almost in tears lets deal with 2 and 3 though lol 2) macro=less skill. The most skill less game ever created was Rift, followed very closely by wow 3) class imbalance in reference to wow man lol rogue, warlock ret pali blood mage you honeslty cant be serious Granted it take very little skill to play alot of archtypes in this game but some take alot more Edited May 24, 2012 by mangarrage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khoraji Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 oh man someone referring to wow as real pvp is so laughable I am almost in tears Its the only MMORPG besides GW1 (I believe) to get into any of the popular online leagues like CEVO/MLG/TWL. I would say that counts as being real pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vimm Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Yeah i seen you before OP your a baddie. But the game takes no skill, apparently, so how could that be possible?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehneu Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Only idiots would use macros in pvp ..and there are a lot of them that want the support in game. So what does that tell you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armelle Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) Melees love to pretend that turning around is a skill. Guess what. In a realistic game world, you would not be able to twitch back and forth like a Mexican jumping bean *right through your opponent* in order to stay out of their front facing. Auto-facing of any kind is just fine, and frees people to actually apply real skills. Edited May 24, 2012 by Armelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangarrage Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Its the only MMORPG besides GW1 (I believe) to get into any of the popular online leagues like CEVO/MLG/TWL. I would say that counts as being real pvp. oh man So these so called leagues are the world's representation for "real" pvp I am ashamed for all mankind that people have a thought process such as this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khoraji Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 oh man So these so called leagues are the world's representation for "real" pvp I am ashamed for all mankind that people have a thought process such as this Its fair, its ranked, its tracked, provides real-life rewards, Easy to setup tournaments and ladders. I fail to see how this is NOT the only viable option of comparison. I just wish a game came out that had all of that built in, then there would be no need for 3rd party leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedikillar Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Im really disappointed in the pvp in this game. I played wow for 4 yrs and a few of my friends from wow quit swtor because the pvp in this game caters to skillcapped or low skill players. 1. Autofacing 2. Lack of macros 3. Class imbalance (although this happens to every MMO), some are pretty obvious in this game yet bw devs drag their feet as usual. Im beginning to wonder if bw intended it this way to cater to <2k bads from wow to actually feel like they are worthy BTW plz roll more fotm classes guys, no skill required....shadows,sents /smirk no, the pvp itself doesnt require no skill. autofacing, sure it kidna makes you lazy but honestly any good caster could do nearly as well without it. macros...well that just means you have to push MORE buttons rather than less...thats less skill how? class imbalance, meh id say its no worse than wows. its not because of the game itself, its because the people who actually get above 2k arent going to leave the game theyve been playing for 6ish years now just because a game that can compare(whether or not is better is your call, i wont say, i still havent decided myself personally, although its good enough for me i think and is star wars so how can i say no?). ive noticed that the players are significantly worse than in some other mmos. well, than wow pvpers. the other mmos are the same way, a lot easier. i say just take it and be godlike. sorry if i necroed i didnt care to check, and frankly dont care anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helig Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I find it amusing that people who claim the game takes no skill are always awful. Took those words right out of my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISTrick Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I find it amusing that people who claim the game takes no skill are always awful. ^^^^^ This. ^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrolan Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Its the only MMORPG besides GW1 (I believe) to get into any of the popular online leagues like CEVO/MLG/TWL. I would say that counts as being real pvp. That would surely only be by sheer weight of numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreampetrucci Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 lol i haven't played WoW but i'd be willing to bet it wasn't half as good as swtor 6 months into release... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humankeg Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) so macros require skill? they just make things easier.... No they don't. And please do not talk about cast sequence macros, as those are never the macros good pvp'ers talk about. And while I don't think SWTOR is a skill less based game, I do think the skill cap is VERY low. Edited June 22, 2012 by Humankeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helig Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) No they don't. And please do not talk about cast sequence macros, as those are never the macros good pvp'ers talk about. And while I don't think SWTOR is a skill less based game, I do think the skill cap is VERY low. A lot of "good PvPer" macro functionality is already in-game. You get focus target, you get focus target modifier buttons. Granted, there's no mouseover casting and targetting system is kind of messed up (addressed in 1.3), but it's nothing a "good PvPer" can't overcome. As for the skillcap, that of individual classes isn't all that high in any MMO that I've played. Teh skeelz are in situational awareness and teamwork, and SWToR has some interesting utility to make teamplay more challenging. Edited June 22, 2012 by Helig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTomorrow Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Snipers need auto facing or you will screw their cover system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denpic Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Arcane missiles says hi Wow has several auto facing abilities on Mage priest and warlock all of which are channeled spells Also I really enjoyed wow pvp it's a good game but to me it's boring after playing swtor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LenrocNewDawn Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) http://vplay.ro/watch/7p4b4wsf Guess he's mad that the game is so skill intensive . Edited June 22, 2012 by LenrocNewDawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roiz Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Im really disappointed in the pvp in this game. I played wow for 4 yrs and a few of my friends from wow quit swtor because the pvp in this game caters to skillcapped or low skill players. 1. Autofacing 2. Lack of macros 3. Class imbalance (although this happens to every MMO), some are pretty obvious in this game yet bw devs drag their feet as usual. Im beginning to wonder if bw intended it this way to cater to <2k bads from wow to actually feel like they are worthy BTW plz roll more fotm classes guys, no skill required....shadows,sents /smirk Autofacing doesn't work always. It works only during cast time. Macros actually reduce skill needed and makes play easier. This game has descent class balance, but wow doesn't have class balance at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggsalicious Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) Why so sad little guy? Were you carried to a high rank in another game, but no-one cares about you in your new game? WELL CRY NO MORE! There's a way to be bad in your new game and STILL HAVE PEOPLE NOTICE YOU! Check it out, this is the real deal: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=442952 ~Sig Edited June 22, 2012 by Eggsalicious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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