SWTOR On GTX 680 "video inside"

[Sillenna]

Hi sir.

 

I bought a car from you but it isn't working properly.

 

"WELL GO BUILD YOUR OWN CAR IF YOU ARE SO TALENTED".

 

Do you see how stupid you sound mate? Just leave it.

 

Hi, Mister.

That's wrong comparison.

It's more like 'whaaaaaaaa... I bought XYZ car, but it cannot go 320km/h! And to top it off, it used more than 4l/100km when driving 200km/h!!! Why? Why? Why? whaaaaaaa....'

[CrimsonFire]

Well people forgetting that MMO's are more CPU/Ram than GPU's

Swtor client uses 4GB Ram for example.

Overall the game runs smoothly whatever GFX you have when you have powerfull CPU/RAM.

 

Yes but no 32bit application CAN use over 4gb RAM anyway, hardly over 3.2 to be honest and SWTOR.exe is a 32bit application and will not use 4gb RAM on it's own, just check the Task Manager when it's running.

[Samvan]

Hi, Mister.

That's wrong comparison.

It's more like 'whaaaaaaaa... I bought XYZ car, but it cannot go 320km/h! And to top it off, it used more than 4l/100km when driving 200km/h!!! Why? Why? Why? whaaaaaaa....'

 

No.

 

It's more like "I bought a ferrari which is supposed to give me over 200km/h.....so why can I only go 40 km/h?"

 

"WELL GO BUILD AN OWN FERRARI IF YOU ARE SO TALENTED"

 

Your arguement is not valid Sillenna. Please try again.

 

And please stop making baby noises in your posts. It makes you look very childish.

Edited April 19, 2012 by Samvan

[DigitalPrime]

I get 90-125 when not recording with fraps..

 

111fps is the cap.

The mod chimed in the thread below and confirmed.

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=373478

Edited April 19, 2012 by DigitalPrime

[Frostyforce]

I max out the game with 30+ FPS on a GTX 460.

I don't see what the big deal is.

[Samvan]

I max out the game with 30+ FPS on a GTX 460.

I don't see what the big deal is.

 

Then I advise you to read the entire thread and use your common sense in your brain before you post non-sense again.

 

Thank you for your co-operation.

Edited April 19, 2012 by Samvan

[OddballEasyEight]

No.

 

It's more like "I bought a ferrari which is supposed to give me over 200km/h.....so why can I only go 40 km/h?"

 

"WELL GO BUILD AN OWN FERRARI IF YOU ARE SO TALENTED"

 

Your arguement is not valid Sillenna. Please try again.

 

And please stop making baby noises in your posts. It makes you look very childish.

 

Actually, all these car analogies are completely off anyway.

 

Basically what everyone is whining about is why their "car" doesnt have all the ameneties possible in existance and also can go 300mph and still do 100 miles to the gallon whilst still being roomy enough to hold an entire family in comfort.

What you all are asking for is for SW:TOR to be different, yet comfortably similar to all other MMO's and also include all possible options and modes from all other games in existance more or less...

 

As for using the car analogy when it comes to bugs, its not even slightly valid. I work with cars, trust me, most cars come with flaws, lots of them in fact, but you as a customer usually dont know about them (stuff like you have to dissasemble more or less the entire front just to change the headlight and stuff that should not be worn out fast but are because they bought cheaper materials), whilst in a game, the bugs are always visible to the players since you cant really have bugs that are purely "under the hood".

And you have to remember that the game isnt actually the car... your computer is the car... the game is more like the tuning chip or some other accessory that you buy to add to the car, and it might not always work well with your car.

[Samvan]

Actually, all these car analogies are completely off anyway.

 

Basically what everyone is whining about is why their "car" doesnt have all the ameneties possible in existance and also can go 300mph and still do 100 miles to the gallon whilst still being roomy enough to hold an entire family in comfort.

What you all are asking for is for SW:TOR to be different, yet comfortably similar to all other MMO's and also include all possible options and modes from all other games in existance more or less...

 

As for using the car analogy when it comes to bugs, its not even slightly valid. I work with cars, trust me, most cars come with flaws, lots of them in fact, but you as a customer usually dont know about them (stuff like you have to dissasemble more or less the entire front just to change the headlight and stuff that should not be worn out fast but are because they bought cheaper materials), whilst in a game, the bugs are always visible to the players since you cant really have bugs that are purely "under the hood".

And you have to remember that the game isnt actually the car... your computer is the car... the game is more like the tuning chip or some other accessory that you buy to add to the car, and it might not always work well with your car.

 

No.

 

Let's go for another car example.

 

My ferrari (my computer) does 250km/h on every road that's built (every possible game).

 

Until I stumble across a rocky, bad built with no quality road (SWTOR) and am forced to do 40 km/h cause of how poor that road is.

 

Do you get it? Of all roads I can maximize my speed, the only one that doesn't use all of my "horse power" is that ****** built road that no one cares about.

 

What does the company (Bioware) say who built that crappy road?

 

"Go upgrade your ferrari and you might do 70 km/h instead"

 

"But my ferrari works 250km/h on every other road"

 

"Nope, it's your ferrari thats broken. Our road is pure quality son."

 

Yeah, thought so.

Edited April 19, 2012 by Samvan

[LohKey]

I have 2 GTX 580 in my box, I run SWTOR and other games at the same time and still get over 100fps in SWTOR

[Samvan]

I have 2 GTX 580 in my box, I run SWTOR and other games at the same time and still get over 100fps in SWTOR

 

I have 5 GTX 680s and I got over 9000 fps in SWTOR.

 

Stop saying things and start proving it with a GPU-ID and SWTOR fps screenshot.

 

Thank you for participating.

[Sillenna]

@Samvan: Stop crying. Seriously. It's annoying reading your posts. If someone says they have decent performance, you immediately attack them.

If you have SO much unbearable issues, quit playing.

 

Can SWTOR engine be better optimized? Probably yes. How hard is it? Well, it's not easy.

This is why I told you - that if you actually tried to program anything you'd know. Especially with 3D graphics.

 

It reminds me when Crysis was released how people cried how unoptimized engine is, how low FPS they got, etc, etc... yet noone bothered to check how many polygons is actually calculated&rendered per frame - and that numbers were actually astonishingly high.

 

Your perception is that everything MUST run smoothly on your PC. You compare single player games with SWTOR - MMORPG. Amount of objects, needed calculations, etc, etc is hugely different.

 

Bottom line is - if you don't like it, you can always quit.

For many people it's working good/acceptable good.

I have outdated Nvidia GTX275 graphic card, and I play all maxed out @1080p.

Does FPS dip in some places to 20-ish FPS? It does. Is game still playable - it is.

 

FYI, people complain also on WoW forums often about performance, yet graphics there is way, way simpler than in SWTOR. But guess what? Again - people complain.

[LohKey]

I have 5 GTX 680s and I got over 9000 fps in SWTOR.

 

Stop saying things and start proving it with a GPU-ID and SWTOR fps screenshot.

 

Thank you for participating.

 

here ya go!

http://files.enjin.com/95117/PIX/ASWTOR1.jpg

http://files.enjin.com/95117/PIX/ASWTOR2.jpg

 

/inserts money where mouth is

 

EDIT thought I would add one from a more crowded area too so it doesn't look like I only get that FPS while alone: http://files.enjin.com/95117/PIX/ASWTOR3.jpg

Edited April 19, 2012 by LohKey

[LohKey]

@Samvan: Stop crying. Seriously. It's annoying reading your posts. If someone says they have decent performance, you immediately attack them.

If you have SO much unbearable issues, quit playing.

 

Can SWTOR engine be better optimized? Probably yes. How hard is it? Well, it's not easy.

This is why I told you - that if you actually tried to program anything you'd know. Especially with 3D graphics.

 

It reminds me when Crysis was released how people cried how unoptimized engine is, how low FPS they got, etc, etc... yet noone bothered to check how many polygons is actually calculated&rendered per frame - and that numbers were actually astonishingly high.

 

Your perception is that everything MUST run smoothly on your PC. You compare single player games with SWTOR - MMORPG. Amount of objects, needed calculations, etc, etc is hugely different.

 

Bottom line is - if you don't like it, you can always quit.

For many people it's working good/acceptable good.

I have outdated Nvidia GTX275 graphic card, and I play all maxed out @1080p.

Does FPS dip in some places to 20-ish FPS? It does. Is game still playable - it is.

 

FYI, people complain also on WoW forums often about performance, yet graphics there is way, way simpler than in SWTOR. But guess what? Again - people complain.

 

I think he doesn't understand if he wants everything to run smoothly on your PC it costs money, you can't take a $1200 junker and expect pristine performance with everything you do on it.

[LrdScorpio]

Computer hardware 101: The hardware advertised as being better does not always give better results in every game. Also, your video card is not the only piece that can cause issues.

Also, shouting out your specs is all fine and dandy but the specs come secondary to how each brand and each specific piece of hardware you has works together.

 

Eventually, some of you will realize that you can buy new ram, processors and video cards all day long but HD's and buses will still bottle neck your PC. This means that the more RAM, CPU and GPU you get, the more ineffiecient your PC becomes, actually causing you more problems.

[Hitomo_x]

I am running this on GTX480 ... all maxed, no problems

 

most performence boost comes from running the game on SSD

[LohKey]

Computer hardware 101: The hardware advertised as being better does not always give better results in every game. Also, your video card is not the only piece that can cause issues.

Also, shouting out your specs is all fine and dandy but the specs come secondary to how each brand and each specific piece of hardware you has works together.

 

Eventually, some of you will realize that you can buy new ram, processors and video cards all day long but HD's and buses will still bottle neck your PC. This means that the more RAM, CPU and GPU you get, the more ineffiecient your PC becomes, actually causing you more problems.

 

That's not a fact! The data transfer from the hard drive to the RAM may be a bit slow but once it's in the RAM it's golden. A slow HD can cause the computer startup time to be slow, and can cause the startup of some apps to be slow, but after the start up it would run fine. But I do agree most people don't have a good understanding of how you need a good architecturally designed computer to run harmoniously.

[Sparklehorse]

a quad core 2.4 ghz processor, stock clocked, isnt going to bottleneck on the most powerful card out right now. the only time the graphics cards get bottlenecked is in a crossfire/sli setup or running at a resolution higher than 1080p.

 

this has been proven numerous times in gpu reviews on sites like toms hardware. you should check it out sometime.

 

Fair enough point and thanks for being polite about it.

 

What a lot of these fps spewing hardware elitists fail to understand is that the average user pays very little attention to sites like this and cares very little about anything over a smooth framerate.

 

I know this is going to be a shocker for some of you but some of us don't even display our framerate while we play. I'll give you guys a minute to pick your jaws up off the floor.

 

I posted earlier that I have good performance on a range of 3 machines I built myself so while I am not completely in the dark about hardware issues, I am far from a power user and I'm certainly not going to spend 500 dollars on a video card just so I can boast in a video game forum that I get 120 fps when 30-50 would be just fine.

 

That post seemed to bring out some hostilities in a few and I simply don't understand that.

 

If it makes people feel better about themselves to spend thousands of dollars to eek out 30 or 40 more fps, more power to you. I'll keep doing what I have been for years, building my own machines and being happy with the results. Call me uneducated or stupid if you will but I'd rather spoon my eyeballs out than spend time comparing my framerates on a forum or reading technical jargon on a website designed for people who measure there epeens via their rigs.

 

I am the average PC enthusiast. Hate me if you will but I don't give a rats behind as long as my games run smoothly and I have fun. I don't need to know my framerate unless I am having a performance issue. I don't jump on the first iteration of a new card architecture and I don't post my computer hardware in my signature.

 

I also don't think the performance of this game is as abysmal as certain posters in this thread. Are there problems. Hell yes there are. There are memory leaks all over the place (something that is painfully obvious on my media box which has the lowest amount of RAM) and there are other issues that a person like me won't pretend to understand.

 

Having said that, the average user could care less about how many fps they are getting as long as the game looks and plays smoothly and they certainly don't rush out and buy a 500 dollar video card with a brand new architecture and then rush to the forums of a new game and scream at the top of their lungs over the difference between 50 and 150 fps.

Edited April 19, 2012 by Sparklehorse

[Krewel]

here ya go!

http://files.enjin.com/95117/PIX/ASWTOR1.jpg

http://files.enjin.com/95117/PIX/ASWTOR2.jpg

 

/inserts money where mouth is

 

EDIT thought I would add one from a more crowded area too so it doesn't look like I only get that FPS while alone: http://files.enjin.com/95117/PIX/ASWTOR3.jpg

 

Go to EV, KP or EC (any raids) on 16 man and link screenshots during encounters, that's the benchmark I'm looking for. You're standing still in the pictures and there aren't many people around you, so not exactly what I'm looking for, really. It is also odd that you have 77% gpu load on one picture and 7% on the other, one more example how bizarre this game utilizes hardware. I never get over 40% gpu load anywhere.

 

As I said, the game is an enigma for some computers. You can go way above the recommended specs and get crappy fps or you can have mid-spec machine and get good fps.

 

Now I also see people believing that the cure for this game is SSD? Erm, ok. I have OCZ Agility 3 120gb and still the game runs worse than any other game, not to mention the fact that planets load for over a minute (Corellia is just terribad). In fact, I'd say this game doesn't even recognize I have an SSD lol, every other game loads in seconds, why does this game take 2 minutes to load Corellia?

[Sillenna]

That's not a fact! The data transfer from the hard drive to the RAM may be a bit slow but once it's in the RAM it's golden. A slow HD can cause the computer startup time to be slow, and can cause the startup of some apps to be slow, but after the start up it would run fine. But I do agree most people don't have a good understanding of how you need a good architecturally designed computer to run harmoniously.

Actually, you are a bit wrong here, at least about HDD speed.

Imagine logging into Fleet.

During loading textures&data needed for Fleet is loaded.

But then rest of data needs to be loaded - textures for objects (errr... equipment) people who are there within your visible range, so they can be displayed properly.

You now start moving - as new characters come into your range game needs to load data from HDD for those textures if they are not yet loaded. This can cause some stuttering, and faster HDD (like SSD) helps.

[Sillenna]

Go to EV, KP or EC (any raids) on 16 man and link screenshots during encounters, that's the benchmark I'm looking for. You're standing still in the pictures and there aren't many people around you, so not exactly what I'm looking for, really. It is also odd that you have 77% gpu load on one picture and 7% on the other, one more example how bizarre this game utilizes hardware. I never get over 40% gpu load anywhere.

He has SLI - one GPU is loaded more then other.

Also, if your GPU is at 40% load and you are below FPS max (60FPS on regular LCD screen with vsync on) - then your bottleneck is CPU.

Now I also see people believing that the cure for this game is SSD? Erm, ok. I have OCZ Agility 3 120gb and still the game runs worse than any other game, not to mention the fact that planets load for over a minute (Corellia is just terribad). In fact, I'd say this game doesn't even recognize I have an SSD lol, every other game loads in seconds, why does this game take 2 minutes to load Corellia?

SSD helps loading times. It does not increase FPS (except for small stuttering while loading some game data).

I also have an SSD, and difference with using it vs without is huge.

[LohKey]

It is also odd that you have 77% gpu load on one picture and 7% on the other, one more example how bizarre this game utilizes hardware. I never get over 40% gpu load anywhere.

 

 

I have all settings maxed out and other programs running, but the reason for the % difference is if you look at the pic you can see that I was showing the stats on 2 different graphics cards (same card type, I have 2 installed) it was not bizarre, you just didn't pay close enough attention

[LohKey]

Actually, you are a bit wrong here, at least about HDD speed.

Imagine logging into Fleet.

During loading textures&data needed for Fleet is loaded.

But then rest of data needs to be loaded - textures for objects (errr... equipment) people who are there within your visible range, so they can be displayed properly.

You now start moving - as new characters come into your range game needs to load data from HDD for those textures if they are not yet loaded. This can cause some stuttering, and faster HDD (like SSD) helps.

 

Wrong yet again. Last time I'm going to correct you with out charging you for the schooling. When you load a world it loads the whole thing up, now you do have to load up some information from the net such as what other players are doing but all skins and armor and world graphics are loaded when you load the level. Also if you have a slow HD (like a 5800rpm) but an awesome system it is a fact that you will only notice increased loading times and not in game lag because of it.

[DigitalPrime]

here ya go!

http://files.enjin.com/95117/PIX/ASWTOR1.jpg

http://files.enjin.com/95117/PIX/ASWTOR2.jpg

 

/inserts money where mouth is

 

EDIT thought I would add one from a more crowded area too so it doesn't look like I only get that FPS while alone: http://files.enjin.com/95117/PIX/ASWTOR3.jpg

 

Owch, massive bottleneck.

 

Crowded?

Edited April 19, 2012 by DigitalPrime

[Sillenna]

Wrong yet again. Last time I'm going to correct you with out charging you for the schooling. When you load a world it loads the whole thing up, now you do have to load up some information from the net such as what other players are doing but all skins and armor and world graphics are loaded when you load the level. Also if you have a slow HD (like a 5800rpm) but an awesome system it is a fact that you will only notice increased loading times and not in game lag because of it.

Indeed. You are wrong. Better ask for money back @school

And reason why it works THIS way is not to load every single available texture in memory, which often are not needed.

Btw, you do realize that biggest part of data structure of game are texture files?

[Hokonoso]

i still get 120fps with my gtx590 on my rig i7-3930K @ 3.20GHz overclocked to 4.3GHz, 32gb of ram and ofc a SSD drive. im skeptical on the 680 as it's still 1g ram less than my 590 not to mention we are running a dx9 game instead of dx11.