Jindrak Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Considering the buff this is getting, does it really need to have the vanish component? I've never understood why a class that has NO stealth capabilities gets a skill like this. Does chaff flare make the merc invisible? how about cloud mind? do your enemies forget where you are? Assassin/ shadow= stealth OP/ scound= stealth mara/ sent= ???*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MashTactics Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 I've never really understood the invis mechanic either. It's like the developers behind it thought, 'Hmm... what can we do to make Force users the overwhelming majority? Welp, let's give the highest DPS in the game stealth as well. That'll do it.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jitsuo Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Because it's a damn good gap closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MashTactics Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Because it's a damn good gap closer. Because they need a second one, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourTwent Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Because they need a second one, right? was talking to a trooper the other day and he was talking about getting his leap. . .and he already had the pull. . .so if they can have 2, why can't we(btw i'd much rather have a pull than force camo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jindrak Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 Trooper getting leap and pull= deep tank spec. Marauder dps getting charge+ lots of heavy burst and bleeds, then 99% dmg redux topped off with a vanish? Seems like too many eggs in 1 basket imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jitsuo Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Trooper getting leap and pull= deep tank spec. Marauder dps getting charge+ lots of heavy burst and bleeds, then 99% dmg redux topped off with a vanish? Seems like too many eggs in 1 basket imo. How many Ranged attacks do Marauders have? How about Guard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dschlan Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) Trooper getting leap and pull= deep tank spec. Marauder dps getting charge+ lots of heavy burst and bleeds, then 99% dmg redux topped off with a vanish? Seems like too many eggs in 1 basket imo. Don't forget our amazing CC...oh...wait...but at least Guarded by the Force doesn't cost 50% of our health...oh...wait...don't forget our best burst spec isn't the bleed one...oh...wait... Edited April 3, 2012 by dschlan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerain Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Considering the buff this is getting, does it really need to have the vanish component? I've never understood why a class that has NO stealth capabilities gets a skill like this. Does chaff flare make the merc invisible? how about cloud mind? do your enemies forget where you are? Assassin/ shadow= stealth OP/ scound= stealth mara/ sent= ???*** it's an aggro drop in pve and an escape in pvp. It's not really a gap closer either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exphryl Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Trooper getting leap and pull= deep tank spec. Marauder dps getting charge+ lots of heavy burst and bleeds, then 99% dmg redux topped off with a vanish? Seems like too many eggs in 1 basket imo. If you are dying to a tank spec'd vanguard, you are playing terribly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerain Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Trooper getting leap and pull= deep tank spec. Marauder dps getting charge+ lots of heavy burst and bleeds, then 99% dmg redux topped off with a vanish? Seems like too many eggs in 1 basket imo. sigh... seriously lets just throw all of the classes talent abilities into one sentance and then complain about them being OP'ed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jindrak Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 All the FOTM mara/sents crying over this post is yum. And I was just commenting about how out of place it is to give them a vanish mechanic. What if out of the blue, snipers got a heal? or juggernauts got a ranged attack was spammable? Wouldnt it be out of place? and kind of OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 If you are dying to a tank spec'd vanguard, you are playing terribly. If a tank spec Vanguard isn't outright murdering a Marauder in a very one-sided fight then the Vanguard is doing something terribly wrong. Seriously, tank specs are specifically designed to kill Sentinels/Marauders. It's the only class that their defensive abilities work exceptionally well against. The slow attack rate of Gunslingers/Snipers doesn't cause anywhere near as much tank talent procs as the relentless lightsaber swings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyranoc Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 NO force camo is NOT getting a buff. In my case it is getting a nerf. I have 4 seconds of stealth with 100% damage resistance. How is 6 seconds stealth with 50% resistance a buff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourTwent Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 NO force camo is NOT getting a buff. In my case it is getting a nerf. I have 4 seconds of stealth with 100% damage resistance. How is 6 seconds stealth with 50% resistance a buff? agreed. no more using force camo to run through fire pits in huttball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Oh look, people who don't play a class complaining about a class they know nothing about. Cool, nothing to see here people, move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jindrak Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 Oh look, people who don't play a class complaining about a class they know nothing about. Cool, nothing to see here people, move along. I have a 43 marauder. I still don't think it makes sense for them to have vanish. Move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dschlan Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 I have a 43 marauder. I still don't think it makes sense for them to have vanish. Move along. I have a 50 Sentinel (played Sentinel since day 1 of early access). I think it makes sense for them to have vanish. Move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MashTactics Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 There is currently a melee DPS class in this game with no gap closers whatsoever. The sentinels in here can stop ************. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dschlan Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 There is currently a melee DPS class in this game with no gap closers whatsoever. The sentinels in here can stop ************. Force camo =/= gap closer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MashTactics Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Force camo =/= gap closer Doesn't need to be. Whatever you consider Force Camo to be, it's unnecessary. Force Leap is your gap closer, and Guarded by the Force is your insanely good defensive cooldown. Force Camo is a little cutesy tool that the devs imagined would be an interesting, and absolutely random addition to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teemoor Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Force camo =/= gap closer Enemy can't see you and can't target you and you can use it in combat. You use that time to reposition yourself without getting stunned/slowed. It is a gap closer. inb4 Cloaking screen has a 2 min CD talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyFokker Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Doesn't need to be. Whatever you consider Force Camo to be, it's unnecessary. Force Leap is your gap closer, and Guarded by the Force is your insanely good defensive cooldown. Force Camo is a little cutesy tool that the devs imagined would be an interesting, and absolutely random addition to the game. And yet I still kill them, you need to learn to play your class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MashTactics Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 And yet I still kill them, you need to learn to play your class. Lol. A little insecure, are we? You really seemed to jump the gun about making your epeen as big and impressive as possible. Whether I kill them or not was never the issue. As it stands, Sentinels never use Force Camo to kill me. They use it to run away from me. The issue, was that it's a completely unnecessary skill. Anything that Force Camo does, Sentinels already have a sufficient skill for. Unneeded skill is unneeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerain Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Doesn't need to be. Whatever you consider Force Camo to be, it's unnecessary. Force Leap is your gap closer, and Guarded by the Force is your insanely good defensive cooldown. Force Camo is a little cutesy tool that the devs imagined would be an interesting, and absolutely random addition to the game. Undying rage is more like a last stand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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