Zelrik Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) Honestly, the fanbois seem QQing more and are much more hostile and negative than most of the people criticizing launch. They don't seem to understand that they make the atmosphere even worse with all the usual "Go back to WoW!!" posts. Despite what many here might think, I want the game to thrive. ANYONE who understands the least bit of MMO player psychology could have told you how bad a staggered launch would go. And really I don't need much more proof than what's already happening in the forums. And if you think it's bad now, just wait until the people who are at work get home to find they still have no access. The longer this thing drags out the more it will hurt this game. Negativity is already pretty strong.. and it was already bad from their terrible decision not to have a Grace Period at the end of headstart. The truth is that all that matters is WHAT THE CUSTOMER WANTS AND EXPECTS. Yes, most or at least many customers act like children, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO CATER TO THEM. Those who don't think this is true are living in some utopian fantasy land. Who cares EXACTLY what Bioware said about how launch would be done. MMO players EXPECT to be able to log in and have an equal opportunity to play on LAUNCH DAY - BECAUSE THIS HAS HOW IT'S BEEN FOR ALL MMOS BEFORE THIS ONE. And to talk about the 20th as the actual launch day is pure nonsense. Launch day is when CUSTOMERS expect to be able to play and historically that's always been on the first day of headstart. This is why I sometimes wonder if Bioware employees have even played other MMOs before because these things should be serious common sense to any serious MMO Player. Just wait for primetime for the real rage to come out. It's Biowares responsibility to understand it's players. Edited December 13, 2011 by Zelrik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaphik Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 MMO players like the OP describe don't understand gaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinku Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 BioWare is doing their own thing and gotta be honest, EVERYTHING has worked so far. I have faith in what their doing. Who I dont have faith in is the opinion of some person on a BioWare forums telling them how they need to operate a billion dollar company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmanarl Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 - Tons of people want to be the First to do something on their server. This is the whole game to them. So it's already ruined for many people. Luckily I'm not like that but many are. Tons of people should have preordered on July 21st when they had the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladenas Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 The only mistake Bioware made is letting person who are not yet granted access to servers to post on the forums. It would be so much nicer then. Now any usefull info is drowned in incoherent whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMLDestroyer Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Posted on a couple threads that are now closed... gg don't fix just mute the population? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandur Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 The only mistake Bioware made is letting person who are not yet granted access to servers to post on the forums. It would be so much nicer then. Now any usefull info is drowned in incoherent whining. leave general forums if you're looking for useful information. All this raging was predictable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayln Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 If they want to understand MMO players they need to come and spend some time in my wife Kindergarten class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralty Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I love Bioware and SWTOR but their lack of MMO experience and unwillingness to look at other MMOs as examples on how to do things (like launch) will possibly ruin them. Wrong, they are not going to cater to the vocal minority like yourself. They are learning lessons from "The Game That Shall Not Be Named" ie - only 2% of a typical MMO players are "Hardcore" (even documented by the devs of "The Game That Shall Not Be Named") Making sure the game is playable on release (When it gets here, you know on the 20th!!) is much more important than catering to a tiny player base of "snowflakes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engleheart Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 i love bioware and swtor but their lack of mmo experience and unwillingness to look at other mmos as examples on how to do things (like launch) will possibly ruin them. Here's what i know from over a decade of play. - tons of people want to be the first to do something on their server. This is the whole game to them. So it's already ruined for many people. Luckily i'm not like that but many are. - mmo players are some of the meanest, whiniest most fickle customers you can ever have. Do not underestimate their negativity. A few bad decisions will destroy your game. - negativity breads more negativity which seriously brings down mmorpgs - all by itself. If you underestimate the negativity feedback loop then you've already lost. - no company is too big to fail with mmos. - just like in the stock market, it doesn't matter if you're a stable player who likes the stock/game, droves of pissed off negative people leaving your stock/game will hurt you. It hurts the game, which hurts you. So "go back to wow" is not a fix. - bioware has already started removing/closing posts to control the complaints. This sort of thing usually backfires. all of this^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnab Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Does any sane person understand MMO gamers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustTed Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I love Bioware and SWTOR but their lack of MMO experience and unwillingness to look at other MMOs as examples on how to do things (like launch) will possibly ruin them. Here's what I know from over a decade of play. Here's what I've learned from the same amount of time: MMO players are entitled babies who cry and cry and cry. SHUT... UP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthZail Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Your tears fuel my hatred. Cry more. It's not the 15th. Be happy they started early. You're so ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamBZ Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Entitled people living in a free society with luxuries beyond that which is needed encourages complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bllackfox Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 fail at launch? Let me ask you this fair question - what is a bigger disappointment: staggered launch or burning, lagging and crashing servers with everyone zerging in at once? It;s a breathe of fresh air when I see a post like this... someone that actually understands. Imagine they let everyone in, and the servers were crashing and queue times were 5 hours, then we would have the OP posting again about an epic fail. hahahaha, people make me laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynie Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Your tears fuel my hatred. Cry more. It's not the 15th. Be happy they started early. ^this. well said sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShotByBothSides Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I've been in many recent MMO launches that did this with epic success. Rift is a recent one. I was there - looooong queues and many patches Not as perfect as you make out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyhawke Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I sense a great disturbance in the force, as if a thousand babies cried out, and were suddenly pacified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fentz Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I was there - looooong queues and many patches Not as perfect as you make out long queues on full servers, they added servers al the time so there was always atleast 1 server without que Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vexous Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Exactly as i've been thinking. This is a highly negative start to the game for a lot of people, and that won't go down well for Bioware. This launch will be talked about for years, as an epic fail, where most people could not play. Yeah, there's a chance that some people would be stuck in queues and perhaps even some server crashes and lag if they had just let everyone in, but it would have been hugely better than the current situation. Bioware tried to play it too safe, but the plan has backfired and angered many customers. For me, this is the worst mmo launch i've been a part off. I'm sure the people who already in game would disagree, or those people who are not ready to play yet, they arn't going to care one bit. You're right about one thing, those of us in game DO disagree with you. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAAHHAAAA! Well, lunch is over, I guess I'll go back to playing now. See you around, whenever you get invited in...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotaudi Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I love Bioware and SWTOR but their lack of MMO experience and unwillingness to look at other MMOs as examples on how to do things (like launch) will possibly ruin them. Here's what I know from over a decade of play. - Tons of people want to be the First to do something on their server. This is the whole game to them. So it's already ruined for many people. Luckily I'm not like that but many are. - MMO Players are some of the meanest, whiniest most fickle customers you can ever have. Do not underestimate their negativity. A few bad decisions will destroy your game. - Negativity breads more negativity which seriously brings down MMORPGs - all by itself. If you underestimate the negativity feedback loop then you've already lost. - No company is too big to fail with MMOs. - Just like in the stock market, it doesn't matter if you're a stable player who likes the stock/game, droves of pissed off negative people leaving your stock/game WILL HURT YOU. It hurts the game, which hurts you. So "Go back to WoW" is not a fix. - Bioware has already started removing/closing posts to control the complaints. This sort of thing usually backfires. You left out the most important one of all: Nothing you can do at any time will ever satisfy the whiners that make up a large portion of the MMO community, and no company has ever nor will ever succeed in doing so. Listening to whiners is the absolutely worst thing an MMO can do because, no matter what you do, they will simply find something else to whine about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logisitcs Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Shut up, just shut, up. Go read a book, take a walk, go to school, go to work, watch tv, movies, write, draw, exercise, play RIFT, Skyrim, do something productive with your time holy **** is your life that pointless that you have nothing better to do than QQ about not being let into EGA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanuvstarwars Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Agree with OP 100% but don't agree with his spelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigoldbear Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Reason why there are so many RAGERS atm. 413k people preorder by Sep 11, 2011. Over 913k preordered by Dec 3, 2011. Only people or preorder in July have gotten in.. which is less than 100k. So we have 813,000 pissed of NERDS. Good luck with that Bioware. Hate to be you. Pissed off nerds do crazy stuff. Oh yeah. Some of them might but a dent in an empty can of soda if they get really angry. Nerds: officially the least scary people on the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipkonfig Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Having been through the start of many MMOs over the course of my gaming career, I can safely say this has been one of the best. I am not downloading or installing anything on the release date, I'm not waiting in the cold outside of a Gamestop, the servers aren't crashing, the lag isn't terrible. I say well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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