Forever_Alone Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Are these two classes exact copies or does one have some abilities that the other doesnt? I'm trying to choose between Sentinel or Marauder.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emeraldon Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Are these two classes exact copies or does one have some abilities that the other doesnt? I'm trying to choose between Sentinel or Marauder.... Nah, they have the exact same abilities (with different names, obviously.) but the big difference between them is that marauders have alot more damage on their Rupture than we do on our Cauterize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_Alone Posted February 19, 2012 Author Share Posted February 19, 2012 So some abilities have different stats basically? What about the skill trees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse- Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Nah, they have the exact same abilities (with different names, obviously.) but the big difference between them is that marauders have alot more damage on their Rupture than we do on our Cauterize. No, they don't. It's a tooltip error. Testing shows it is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emeraldon Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 No, they don't. It's a tooltip error. Testing shows it is the same. Hmh, the testing I've done shows that it's not just the tooltip that reflects error in that case, because the Marauder i tested with crit his dots for ~1900 while mine were ~1400-1500. (I ougear him.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryuukhang Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Hmh, the testing I've done shows that it's not just the tooltip that reflects error in that case, because the Marauder i tested with crit his dots for ~1900 while mine were ~1400-1500. (I ougear him.) What were his stats like: power, crit, surge, talents? What were your stats like? Just saying his dots crit for more than your dots doesn't give much insight as to if it really was a difference in the abilities or just you looking at the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanst Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 The best way to test this is for both characters to get completely naked and test this without gear. This way you can get a baseline for just the abilities and not whether or not gear is affecting it or not. Either way though, marauder is better than sentinel only because there are less people on republic than empire and its much easier to find groups, as well as do FP's as an imp than it is a republic. Other than that, they are exact mirrors of eachother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ztee Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Mara gets a healing comp way earlier, making the leveling speed a bit quicker. Even though i know the class, leveling my marauder is going extremely fast ... its almost like the zone are designed better too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyFokker Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) The Marauders have much faster animations. The difference between Force Scream and Blade Storm is night and day. Of course, whoever designed the pvp in this game had an obvious Imp bias. Edited February 20, 2012 by RoyFokker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hizoka Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) The Marauders have much faster animations. The difference between Force Scream and Blade Storm is night and day. Of course, whoever design the pvp in this game had an obvious Imp bias. i have 2 50 marauders and a 50 sent. if you think the .25 second animation of blade storm really matters in a PvP fight with a 1.5 sec GCD you are just making excuses. Edited February 20, 2012 by Hizoka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrum Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 i have 2 50 marauders and a 50 sent. if you think the .25 second animation of blade storm really matters in a PvP fight with a 1.5 sec GCD you are just making excuses. If you think a .25 or greater delay isn't a big deal in a moving, dynamic fight...well, you already said you had 2 Marauders. Not a big deal if it doesn't affect your mains, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hizoka Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 If you think a .25 or greater delay isn't a big deal in a moving, dynamic fight...well, you already said you had 2 Marauders. Not a big deal if it doesn't affect your mains, right? i never said the maras were my mains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyFokker Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 i have 2 50 marauders and a 50 sent. if you think the .25 second animation of blade storm really matters in a PvP fight with a 1.5 sec GCD you are just making excuses. If it's the difference between your attack and his landing first, yes it is a big deal. Factor into it lag delay and it becomes an even greater deal. I'd also call the delay between those two skills closer to .4 than .25. There's an extended windup for Blade Storm versus Force Scream which pops off instantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShiroRX Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Blade Storm releases really damn quick sometimes. I've noticed (for me, at least), it seems to release from the saber much quicker in a WZ than general pve. This is aided by two factors... 1. Combat sucks. 2. I pretty much never use Storm to kill something or even damage it unless its a rare situation where kiting is occurring within 10m range, I have over 7 focus, and one of my gap closers isn't up. Only happens a couple times a day. Edited February 20, 2012 by ShiroRX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag_Stratos Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Bladestorm SEEMS to release instantly if combined to another attack. For example... --->Slash--->BladeStorm--->Slash You will see the hit effect and the damage but your character will most likely just do 2 slashes in a row. (animation wise) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShiroRX Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Bladestorm SEEMS to release instantly if combined to another attack. For example... --->Slash--->BladeStorm--->Slash You will see the hit effect and the damage but your character will most likely just do 2 slashes in a row. (animation wise) You'll know if Storm hits because it'll be the only 4 digit yellow damage that isnt 3stack OS (i guess cauterize too if you have enough cooldowns popped). Edited February 20, 2012 by ShiroRX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasymodeX Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 You'll know if Storm hits because it'll be the only 4 digit yellow damage that isnt 3stack OS (i guess cauterize too if you have enough cooldowns popped). Who uses Blade Storm in Watchman spec? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psybin Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Someone out of 4m range with leap on CD and a decent amount of focus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasymodeX Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Maybe you should use OCS again to prepare for an OCS->Merc Slash burst, or simply OCS->Caut. Maybe throw your heal debuff at them if you anticipate that they will get HP recovery. If you need to close distance, hit Camo for the speed boost then ass**** them. If OCS is down, just hit Caut. The -only- time to ever use Blade Storm as Watchman is to tack on finishing damage to an Assassin/Operative who has their 50/100% dodge buff up. Otherwise you're just wasting Focus hardcore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psybin Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I'm not saying you should always use it, or use it a lot. But ignoring it completely is just bad. There has been many occasions, where I have had my closers on cool down. Leap, camo and valourous call on CD, with not enough centering for trans. I have been CC'd and my target has got out of range. It happens now and then. Blade storm can be very good for putting someone in dispatch range. Storm - dispatch - dead. Getting people dead is more important than focus efficiency. If I am focus dead and my target is dead, then I count that as fine. Don't get me wrong, if I have ANY other options I will use them. But for those times when you do not, not using blade storm if you can is gimping yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShiroRX Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Who uses Blade Storm in Watchman spec? lol. Good players? Every ability we have should be bound and used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goretzu Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 The Marauders have much faster animations. The difference between Force Scream and Blade Storm is night and day. Of course, whoever designed the pvp in this game had an obvious Imp bias. The sentinal animation is a much better one (to look at), it's the delay issue that's the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasymodeX Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Sounds like you all get kited all day if you use it more than once every 6 hours of gameplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShiroRX Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Sounds like you all get kited all day if you use it more than once every 6 hours of gameplay. You sound bad for not having an ability keybound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodrin Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 In response to the first topic of debate, there is a slight advantage to Force scream over blade storm. I've never seen FS double clutch because of latency. BS does that once every other warzone or so. Other than that there is no difference. BS does not get interrupted without applying damage (like force sweep sometimes does). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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