Grubfist Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) especially a healer class? Out of curiosity, what's so special about a healer class? Your role is to, when undisrupted, give OTHER people better survivability. You are a support class. You are not built to operate alone. Your ability to deal with pressure is not and should not be exceptional. Although as a Bounty Hunter healer, you have more ability to deal with pressure than any other healing class. Edited February 11, 2012 by Grubfist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakkar Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 Out of curiosity, what's so special about a healer class? Your role is to, when undisrupted, give OTHER people better survivability. You are a support class. You are not built to operate alone. Your ability to deal with pressure is not and should not be exceptional. Although as a Bounty Hunter healer, you have more ability to deal with pressure than any other healing class. what is so special about a healer class? My DPS is not as good as other classes for one. Secondly, Once people know I'm a healer they keep coming after me. after the first few min of a wz its like im target number 1. then the icing on the cake is after I keep people alive time and time again, over 200k average heals per WZ, I rarely get any votes for MVP. We get no respect. I dont even know why I bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrolite Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I dont even know why I bother. I see tracer missiles in your future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubfist Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 what is so special about a healer class? My DPS is not as good as other classes for one. Secondly, Once people know I'm a healer they keep coming after me. after the first few min of a wz its like im target number 1. then the icing on the cake is after I keep people alive time and time again, over 200k average heals per WZ, I rarely get any votes for MVP. We get no respect. I dont even know why I bother. So because other players on your team are bad, you should be buffed above and beyond your role? Of course your dps is weaker. You have dps AND heals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xippin Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 so....because I dont care to know the specifics of other classes, which I really dont care about, my opinion is null and void? you're a wonderful person Yes, it is. Because if you don't know the specifics about the class you are fighting, you can not expect to kill them because you have no clue what they have and how to counter it. You are essentially fighting blind. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRFC Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) To be honest ANY stealth class is currently OP. Why is this; - Pure Shockfrozen Water (the handy-dandy 8+K heal that doesn't get used up and you can use it every 10 seconds out of combat. But if it's out of combat, surely it's not THAT big a problem? All stealth characters have a hard-break when they engage stealth mid-fight. This 'counts' as out of combat so you can be jumped by a stealth go through their usual routine which should bring you down to around 30% HP. Then you fight them (you should have the advantage ...) and BAM! They can hit stealth, break out of combat hit a medpac, hit the PSFW and they've got next to full health again. = ALL STEALTH CLASS OP Edited February 11, 2012 by TheRFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Fenix Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Smugglers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howbadisbad Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 To be honest ANY stealth class is currently OP. Why is this; - Pure Shockfrozen Water (the handy-dandy 8+K heal that doesn't get used up and you can use it every 10 seconds out of combat. But if it's out of combat, surely it's not THAT big a problem? All stealth characters have a hard-break when they engage stealth mid-fight. This 'counts' as out of combat so you can be jumped by a stealth go through their usual routine which should bring you down to around 30% HP. Then you fight them (you should have the advantage ...) and BAM! They can hit stealth, break out of combat hit a medpac, hit the PSFW and they've got next to full health again. = ALL STEALTH CLASS OP Good thing 1v1 = balance Oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auntjemimafan Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Smugglers. Smuggler I agree with that... and I definitely get the feeling smugglers (particularly sawbones) look like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainrehtea Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 You must be trollin' If you can't survive an Operative as a healer you are doingitwrong. This, I can survive in PVE gear against Ops...unless it's the smuggler from my faction. Hell, I had one Op chase me for an entire Wz...never killed me. Mouse turning is my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lectro Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) I play a lot of war zones and the class that I've noticed which is the most troublesome are the smugglers. They seems to have a never ending supply of CC'S and they do tons of damage. As a BH healer I have two CC's. THe lightning dart which I can use during combat and concussion missile which will stop working if I damage them. How many do they have? DO they need the CD increased? Also, my in combat CC will shock them for four seconds. It seems that when I get CC'd by a smuggler and am out for twice as long. Oh.... ..Be Quiet already... You got mad cuz someone killed you. Smuggler already got nerfed. L2P Edited February 12, 2012 by Lectro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icecoldone Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 ok i like the suggestions coming from this thread about how to handle operatives but i have to say once i get knocked down for 1.5sec by the time i get up i've lost 25% to 30% of my health no joke. I'm darkness assassin in full champion gear. yes 25% to 30% on an ok day up to 50% sometimes and a bad day this is with 20k health mind you. So let's say i've lost 30% of my health. They have the kick stun The mess The other electructe style stun Maybe another stun from crafting Plus the remain 70% of my health goes in like 4 secs Yes i agree if i get up and face them i can kill them no problem cos once they haven't killed you in their opening they have lost. ok i get that But If the Operative is good enough you are going to die in that opening or near enough around those opening seconds. Incase your wondering yes i did get pawned by and Operative and i'm not mad cos i lost Infact i like losing sometimes cos it makes me get serious and realise there is a challenge at had and hence makes the game more fun. I hate losing in 8 secs. Why you may ask Cos i don't even have time to respond. cos in 8 secs i can only pull of 4 moves. So can they cos of global cooldown. But their 4 moves win and mine just tickles them. Sorry bioware my class can't kill anyone in this game same gear level in 8 secs. Sorry that's a hard cap for me. If i could at least have a chance to fight back that would be nice but there you go. One other thing i don't think this class should be nerfed. I think it needs to be redesigned for what you may ask. Simple give Operatives more long term dps And reduce their burst damage Also make them tougher as well That's what you need to do All these hard nerfs aren't going to solve the problem just make operatives quit. Take away their serious burst and give them more long term solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nschlan Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 I play a lot of war zones and the class that I've noticed which is the most troublesome are the smugglers. They seems to have a never ending supply of CC'S and they do tons of damage. As a BH healer I have two CC's. THe lightning dart which I can use during combat and concussion missile which will stop working if I damage them. How many do they have? DO they need the CD increased? Also, my in combat CC will shock them for four seconds. It seems that when I get CC'd by a smuggler and am out for twice as long. Maybe you're just bad. I know no one likes to hear it but there are bad people, you might be one of them. Just admit it and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalmac Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 A cleansable/interruptable permaslow that requires you to have LoS and stand still hanneling it? Oh yeah, totally OP. Well the target can not move so what is the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalmac Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 To be honest ANY stealth class is currently OP. Why is this; - Pure Shockfrozen Water (the handy-dandy 8+K heal that doesn't get used up and you can use it every 10 seconds out of combat. But if it's out of combat, surely it's not THAT big a problem? All stealth characters have a hard-break when they engage stealth mid-fight. This 'counts' as out of combat so you can be jumped by a stealth go through their usual routine which should bring you down to around 30% HP. Then you fight them (you should have the advantage ...) and BAM! They can hit stealth, break out of combat hit a medpac, hit the PSFW and they've got next to full health again. = ALL STEALTH CLASS OP Lie Lie Lie and you have not a clue what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordredz Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 If I didnt have a problem, if I didnt think there was an issue I would not have made this thread. Move along troll. So I guess its fair to give them more stuns that some other classes, is that the consensus? Your the worst BH healer in the game then, Heavy armor, Shield, Cd for stopping interrupts.... SO BAD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toushiro-kun Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 They have the kick stun The mess The other electructe style stun Maybe another stun from crafting OK....Now people are just making stuff up..... Other than the initial knockdown, scrappers have the kick stun and the mezz, that's it! Well and one snare (root if talented) There is no "electructe style stun" (L2Spell btw) that's the op's equivalent to dirty kick and last I checked there is no stun from crafting, and if there is and I'm not aware of it, how does that apply to JUST smugglers? L2Play and quit crying about a class that is honestly not all that great after the recent nerfs. To the O.P. you're just a baddie, sorry but it's the truth, smugglers, whether scoundrels or gunslingers, are not known for their CC capabilities and BH healers are the most durable healers in the game right now. You whining about survivability is just hilarious and yes you are expected to know the class you're whining against because otherwise you look like a baddie that just likes to cry on the forums when he gets beaten, too bad it's a little late for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuey Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Yay for nerf smugglers thread. I'd love to be the only one left playing my class in the entire game, so let's do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shardie Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 As i said ... I'll trade you your *useless shield and kb* for my uber Dodge (3s duration lol) and vanish (Breaks if someone farts) in a HEARTBEAT. Grass is always greener.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollowVamp Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 If I didnt have a problem, if I didnt think there was an issue I would not have made this thread. Move along troll. So I guess its fair to give them more stuns that some other classes, is that the consensus? use your cooldowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scizofrenic_Guy Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Look we just got a nerf, we don't need another one I'm sorry your getting stunned maybe you should rethink your strategy. Also if we don't get are opener in we are pretty much doomed. So don't even start this whole Scoundrels need a nerf again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesperr Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 I love how noobz name classes after their base class, not AC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasmith Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Learn 2 play your class vs. nerf everybody else..... Obviously, some people are just lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakkar Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share Posted February 12, 2012 I love how noobz name classes after their base class, not AC... I love how people will pick out the most inconsequential thing just to put someone down. And some of us wonder why the forums are such a cesspool... According to account dates, you're the noob.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) It's a CC, unless they can stun you for 4 minutes and shoot you the entire time and you can't do anything, I don't see how it is particularly unbalancing. Once a Scoundrel runs out of their tricks, it should be rather simple to clobber them, the entire point of that class is to be sneaky. Many of their stronger attacks require them to be in cover or crouched down like they are in cover and they can't move. Once they run out of tricks, and it turns into a straight up knockdown/dragout, they end up in real trouble. Edited February 12, 2012 by GarfieldJL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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