Zybak Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 A tips and tricks video on how to beat Deception Assassins as a Deception Assassin. In the video I duel Jerk who is the best Assassin on our server, he has full Battlemaster gear and is nearly valor rank 80. I would describe everything in text below but that would be pretty impossible to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabbathius Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Veery nice. Though the video made me incredibly depressed to see just how squishy Deception Assassins are. Considering how many other classes can do this same damage from 30m away with a lot less effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuchen Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Hi Jerk/Zybak!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shurijo Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I rly enjoyed that video - but one stupid question: isnt maul useful while having it's cost reduce/armor debuff up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG_M Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) I rly enjoyed that video - but one stupid question: isnt maul useful while having it's cost reduce/armor debuff up? no as it dosent always activate probably and its difficult getting in the right position for it so its easier to thrash/voltic slash which can hit between (900-2000). Edited February 10, 2012 by BIG_M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruoris Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Very nice, as always! Have you tried MAdness out? The burst is a little bit lighter but I break 350k damage in most decent duration fights, it's also a lot of fun when your friend plays a pyro-merc and you can DoT up a healer in battlemaster gear and use one other attack and know that he's dead. I will prolly end up trying Deception again when I get my BM lightsaber (2/3 and I still have my dailies up today *hopeful*) since it's a lot more weapon damagedependant than madness is (DOSE THRASH CRITS, mind you). But yeah I would greatly like to see you playing deception to be reminded of just how badly I fail at placing death fields in combat and how much better at it most are than I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koskilicious Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Great video, thanks for taking the time to put it together. Quick question - I have watched several streams of full BM assassins that are Deception spec, and do similar dps as you do. I have about 75% champ gear now (valor rank 56) and haven't seem the same numbers as you guys throw out, with 3-5k crits on shock/discharge and about 2.5 with both hits from Voltaic. For this reason, I spec more into a tank/hybrid build to compensate and it allows me to perform much better overall. Is Deception really only viable in BM with higher crit/surge, or am I doing something wrong? Thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zybak Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 Great video, thanks for taking the time to put it together. Quick question - I have watched several streams of full BM assassins that are Deception spec, and do similar dps as you do. I have about 75% champ gear now (valor rank 56) and haven't seem the same numbers as you guys throw out, with 3-5k crits on shock/discharge and about 2.5 with both hits from Voltaic. For this reason, I spec more into a tank/hybrid build to compensate and it allows me to perform much better overall. Is Deception really only viable in BM with higher crit/surge, or am I doing something wrong? Thx I haven't messed much with my modes so I'm probably not doing the best damage myself as for low damage I got a pretty big boost when I got my BM weapon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warstory Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I don't think many ppl realize that they still get hit when they do all that running around. Force lighting slows them down. I like the cloak+mind trap but it only works in one on one situations cause u may exist combat but they may not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Fal- Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Very cool, subscribed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French-toast Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 hey i play on your server! ign Pancake. you've probably seen me making an *** out of myself in warzones and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyorll Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Hey Zybak, nice video. I've pretty similar gear, and would like to see some duel videos vs other classes to see how you fare (namely merc DPS (both tracer spam and pyro), sorc madness, marauder, powertech). Subscribed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwaysx Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) I didn't get through the entire video, but here's some constructive criticism on what I did see. Gear: He has really bad Accuracy and replaced too much of it with Surge mods. He's equipping 2 on-use relics. That's bad. First Duel: Neither of you two used Blackout->Sap->Spike even though it's clearly better than stealthing for no reason to get the first Voltaic. Plus, you never used Blackout the entire fight (although you never needed it in the fight save for the beginning opener). You never used Low Slash. He didn't use Force Shroud. Neither of you two used Maul even when the proc was up and you two had clear opportunities for it. He took way too long to use Whirlwind after his Low Slash at the end. There's no reason for him to Low Slash, strafe left+right for a second, run back, and finally start casting Whirlwind. Second Duel: He vanishes and then Lacerates you. What..? He throws up Force Shroud way too earlier, when you didn't even have the 2 stacks for Shock nor 3-5 stacks for Discharge. Knowing when to use Force Shroud is absolutely vital. Judging from that gameplay, he is not the best Assassin on your server, nor would I call him a good one to be honest. You seem better than him and react well to abilities, but there are quite a few more tactics you should incorporate as well He's only better than you at properly using Low Slash. But given that he can't doesn't know how to use Force Shroud at all, which would save him from ~5-8k HP, I would expect him to lose every duel. To be honest, when someone Force Shrouds, you can simply Low Slash him, run 15m away while waiting for the buff to disappear, and then blow him up with Shock+Discharge. If he throws up Deflection at the same time or your Low Slash is deflected, just Vanish, CC and instead of Seethe-ing, Spike-> Shock+Discharge. The burst you get from that alone will be much much more than the health you heal from Seethe. The game-changers are getting off your Shock+Discharge and/or preventing theirs. That's really all there is to burst duels: getting your burst down or negating theirs. In terms of any Assassin vs Assassin duel, Madness would probably be the best spec. no as it dosent always activate probably and its difficult getting in the right position for it so its easier to thrash/voltic slash which can hit between (900-2000). That is incorrect. I've always had it activate properly for me and it does much more damage than Voltaic for the same cost. And given the duration of out-of-stealth battles, you wouldn't have time to get 2 Shocks in. That is, two Voltaics + 1 Shock + 1 Discharge + 1-2 Mauls are all you get in the first part of the fight. Edited February 11, 2012 by Alwaysx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nulz Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Wow thanks for the video man. Helped me figure what I was doing wrong in pvp and now I am dominating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nohkron Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 That is incorrect. I've always had it activate properly for me and it does much more damage than Voltaic for the same cost. And given the duration of out-of-stealth battles, you wouldn't have time to get 2 Shocks in. That is, two Voltaics + 1 Shock + 1 Discharge + 1-2 Mauls are all you get in the first part of the fight. How can you say it is incorrect when SO many ppl have had the exact same issue, you use Maul, your char starts off the animation and bends his arm backwards to stab it forward, but there he stops, wasting the time it took for that animation, giving you a GCD and no dmg done to your target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zybak Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share Posted February 12, 2012 Wow thanks for the video man. Helped me figure what I was doing wrong in pvp and now I am dominating. awesome, glad it helped you out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theology Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Valor rank =/= Skill Just saying. Evolutionary here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French-toast Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Valor rank =/= Skill Just saying. Evolutionary here. best assassin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theology Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Pancake worst assassin WW! Lmfao sup bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zybak Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share Posted February 12, 2012 Valor rank =/= Skill Just saying. Evolutionary here. I realize that, even with that being said I still think he's one of the best Assassins on the server at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theology Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 I agree. I've just seen this huge misconception about Valor rank being equivalent to skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerforever Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 At the beginning on chat channel it says "you lost your duel with jerk!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaForceOfCourse Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Ill see you on the battlefield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuvi Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 I didn't get through the entire video, but here's some constructive criticism on what I did see. Gear: He has really bad Accuracy and replaced too much of it with Surge mods. He's equipping 2 on-use relics. That's bad. First Duel: Neither of you two used Blackout->Sap->Spike even though it's clearly better than stealthing for no reason to get the first Voltaic. Plus, you never used Blackout the entire fight (although you never needed it in the fight save for the beginning opener). You never used Low Slash. He didn't use Force Shroud. Neither of you two used Maul even when the proc was up and you two had clear opportunities for it. He took way too long to use Whirlwind after his Low Slash at the end. There's no reason for him to Low Slash, strafe left+right for a second, run back, and finally start casting Whirlwind. Second Duel: He vanishes and then Lacerates you. What..? He throws up Force Shroud way too earlier, when you didn't even have the 2 stacks for Shock nor 3-5 stacks for Discharge. Knowing when to use Force Shroud is absolutely vital. Judging from that gameplay, he is not the best Assassin on your server, nor would I call him a good one to be honest. You seem better than him and react well to abilities, but there are quite a few more tactics you should incorporate as well He's only better than you at properly using Low Slash. But given that he can't doesn't know how to use Force Shroud at all, which would save him from ~5-8k HP, I would expect him to lose every duel. To be honest, when someone Force Shrouds, you can simply Low Slash him, run 15m away while waiting for the buff to disappear, and then blow him up with Shock+Discharge. If he throws up Deflection at the same time or your Low Slash is deflected, just Vanish, CC and instead of Seethe-ing, Spike-> Shock+Discharge. The burst you get from that alone will be much much more than the health you heal from Seethe. The game-changers are getting off your Shock+Discharge and/or preventing theirs. That's really all there is to burst duels: getting your burst down or negating theirs. In terms of any Assassin vs Assassin duel, Madness would probably be the best spec. That is incorrect. I've always had it activate properly for me and it does much more damage than Voltaic for the same cost. And given the duration of out-of-stealth battles, you wouldn't have time to get 2 Shocks in. That is, two Voltaics + 1 Shock + 1 Discharge + 1-2 Mauls are all you get in the first part of the fight. Agreeing with this for the most part, save the maul bit, as I am too aware of the positioning bug. The fights seemed sloppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zybak Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 Ill see you on the battlefield haha maybe, I haven't been playing too much recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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