Dianoia Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I don't understand the SWTOR/WoW comparisons a lot of the time. Go into this game expecting KoTOR3 online and it's a damn good product. There is and will be no freshly-launched "WoW killer." That game has seven years of development time under its belt. WAR and Rift are great examples of relatively solid products that went directly after WoW's market and didn't make a dent in their subs. GW2, Tera, etc. will all try, and everyone will be disappointed in some way or another with them. Remember the reviews of WAR and Rift saying how polished they were and how they had more features than WoW at launch? Features don't make a game fun. Play what you find is fun. No one on a forum is going to convince someone pining for a LFG tool or quintupple specs or AC respects that they're wrong and everything is wonderful, because people are stubborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodalus Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 *snip* And this game is exactly how i expected it tobe, i played the beta, everyone who pre ordered played the beta. Anyone thinking that Whilst in the beta there would be 17 new huge things added to the game without being tested mear weeks later at release were only expecting to much. *snip* I was in beta, too, for 6 months. Here's the funny (and by funny I mean sad) thing: beta had more features and content than release. Now, it still didn't have most of the basics, but hey, it was beta, we knew it wasn't complete and the devs said these things were on their list. It wasn't until just before release, when they started yanking things out of the game, that they admitted that all of these things that they'd been telling us to not worry about weren't going to be in for release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalDreamz Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Duke Nuke'Em forever was new at one point. How'd that work out for them? BUT IN FAIRNESS!! It holds up against Doom original, Wolfenstein and DnD for the Snes. Edited February 13, 2012 by DigitalDreamz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shingara Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 It's extra XP, extra loot. Nothing unappealing about that. No they arnt unapealing, infact some of the bonus when you get through the kill x things are very very fun. trying to think of the name of it but the 1st 4 man heroic on balmora, you kill x peeps then you have the puzzle. so even though the bonus quests conists with kill x they arnt all kill x. Some of them take you into places of the map you wouldnt have gone to and tada you look up and what do you see but a datacron then you have the whole now how in the hell do i get up there thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abruptum Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Features don't make a game fun. Play what you find is fun. No one on a forum is going to convince someone pining for a LFG tool or quintupple specs or AC respects that they're wrong and everything is wonderful, because people are stubborn. Bad features can ruin the fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knewt Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 The fact is you complainers are fans of wow, and thats it and you want other game to be just like it. I dont blame you it was the easiest and most convenient game released (well it came to be, it wasnt like that until post BC) and now you think somehow they are industry standards lol Dude, this game is WoW(Vanilla or TBC) with a Star Wars theme, more cut scenes and less friendly features. And I will give you a real comparison. I work for an auction company. The company is now 4 months old. Do you think at any point in time that we said well this year we are going to put ebay or sotheby out of business? absolutely not. Get some logic people Your comparison doesn't work. E-bay is a completely different business model from the normal auction house. And you probably aren't handling the same clientele as Sothebys. SWTOR is marketed at the same clients as WoW. It has the same monthly fee with a larger upfront investment for the base game. Comparisons for two products are closer to cars or TVs than auction houses. If TOR was priced at a lower spot than WoW, then most of us wouldn't complain as much about the lack of features. But it isn't priced lower. It is the exact same monthly price as WoW or Rift. For my money, I will go to the game that gives me the best value. TOR has my attention right now because the leveling is great. In its current state, TOR won't hold my attention once I get bored with leveling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shingara Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I was in beta, too, for 6 months. Here's the funny (and by funny I mean sad) thing: beta had more features and content than release. Now, it still didn't have most of the basics, but hey, it was beta, we knew it wasn't complete and the devs said these things were on their list. It wasn't until just before release, when they started yanking things out of the game, that they admitted that all of these things that they'd been telling us to not worry about weren't going to be in for release. Yes i saw some of the stuff that was pulled, but let me ask you this and answer honestly, would you prefer those things to be in a patch working or in the game now bugged and broken cos we know they didnt pull them for the sake of pulling them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abruptum Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 No they arnt unapealing, infact some of the bonus when you get through the kill x things are very very fun. trying to think of the name of it but the 1st 4 man heroic on balmora, you kill x peeps then you have the puzzle. so even though the bonus quests conists with kill x they arnt all kill x. Some of them take you into places of the map you wouldnt have gone to and tada you look up and what do you see but a datacron then you have the whole now how in the hell do i get up there thing. The vast majority of them are kill x or collect y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpLTunnel Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 The OP is your typical "Be easy on them they are new" crowd. That excuse is lame and weak at best. There is a wealth of MMOs to draw ideas from that did all the hard work on finding out what works. There is no excuse for releasing a game without some of the basic tools already in games 5+ years old. The only excuse is the publisher pushing the game live. The game should still be in beta and every one knows it. OP turn in your care bear badge. If you and BW cannot handle criticism you need to grow a spine or get out of the real world. As others have said, if you are going to bill something as a (inster game name here)killer, then you need to have more than the basic generic game. They have an awesome story arc and that is more than I can say for any MMO out there so we know they can excel at things. However. to say "Lay off, the game is new" is lame and weak at best. Bioware is working on the game sure but its not polished in any sense of the word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shingara Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 The vast majority of them are kill x or collect y. Yes but the vast majority of quests have x mobs between you and where your going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nighthawked Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Dude, this game is WoW(Vanilla or TBC) with a Star Wars theme, more cut scenes and less friendly features. Your comparison doesn't work. E-bay is a completely different business model from the normal auction house. And you probably aren't handling the same clientele as Sothebys. SWTOR is marketed at the same clients as WoW. It has the same monthly fee with a larger upfront investment for the base game. Comparisons for two products are closer to cars or TVs than auction houses. If TOR was priced at a lower spot than WoW, then most of us wouldn't complain as much about the lack of features. But it isn't priced lower. It is the exact same monthly price as WoW or Rift. For my money, I will go to the game that gives me the best value. TOR has my attention right now because the leveling is great. In its current state, TOR won't hold my attention once I get bored with leveling. SWTOR is marketed toward the KOTOR/Star Wars/Bioware fan, not WoW clients. Rift is more of a WoW-target audience. I can understand that even MMOs can be completely different. Again, they are two different games and markets. WoW might have the best value to YOU, but the fact that WoW has this while ToR does not have this will not affect the general public. Most people that I know that play this game and play WoW love this game. Why? Star Wars. That is the primary target audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abruptum Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Yes but the vast majority of quests have x mobs between you and where your going. So what's your point? Main quests and bonus quests are "kill x" or "collect y" 99% of the time, which is not what Bioware claimed would be happening in their developer's blogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shingara Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 So what's your point? Main quests and bonus quests are "kill x" or "collect y" 99% of the time, which is not what Bioware claimed would be happening in their developer's blogs. Tell me an alternative to kill someone or collect something or escort someone that can get you xp ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethality Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 SWTOR is marketed toward the KOTOR/Star Wars/Bioware fan, not WoW clients. Rift is more of a WoW-target audience. Well, it was an interesting choice then to switch to a 1:1 copy of WoW's end game then I'd say. All of the early interviews indicated that we wouldn't see anything of the sort... but something seems to have changed along the way. It's very much a WoW end game and you really can't out-WoW WoW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeda Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 To sum up what the OP is saying. SWTOR has everything that WoW had at launch and spent over 200 million dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nighthawked Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Well, it was an interesting choice then to switch to a 1:1 copy of WoW's end game then I'd say. All of the early interviews indicated that we wouldn't see anything of the sort... but something seems to have changed along the way. It's very much a WoW end game and you really can't out-WoW WoW. They can certainly take pointers and ideas from the leader of MMOs, but market it to a different audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abruptum Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Tell me an alternative to kill someone or collect something or escort someone that can get you xp ? I don't know, that's not up to me. One of the major aspects of the game was going to be "quests won't be the generic kill 10 boars type", and they tend to be exactly that. Plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletBlaze Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 SWTOR is marketed at the same clients as WoW. It has the same monthly fee with a larger upfront investment for the base game. Comparisons for two products are closer to cars or TVs than auction houses. If TOR was priced at a lower spot than WoW, then most of us wouldn't complain as much about the lack of features. But it isn't priced lower. It is the exact same monthly price as WoW or Rift. For my money, I will go to the game that gives me the best value. I never played Wow and never will. It is not why I started playing SWTOR. Wow from everything I heard has nothing to do with Star Wars. Main reason I'm playing and why my friends are playing it is Star Wars. So it was not marketed for the same clients as Wow. If that was the case we would have never played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shingara Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I don't know, that's not up to me. One of the major aspects of the game was going to be "quests won't be the generic kill 10 boars type", and they tend to be exactly that. Plain and simple. And they arnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abruptum Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 And they arnt. You admitted it yourself over the last few pages. It's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shingara Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 You admitted it yourself over the last few pages. It's true. i said the bonus quests are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abruptum Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 i said the bonus quests are. And the bonus quests are a core element of questing. Either way, the vast majority of quests are just killing a certain amount of mobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shingara Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) And the bonus quests are a core element of questing. Either way, the vast majority of quests are just killing a certain amount of mobs. The core element of the quests are story driven rpg. they arnt go kill 10 boars for a farmer because they are eating his carrots. Edited February 13, 2012 by Shingara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisonsenvy Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 This game just sucks period bare bones with nothing new at all there is nothing new about this game. At least they should of gave us the standard features of a MMO of 2012 not 2004. Thats like getting a brand new 2012 Mercedes car that comes with a tape player,manual windows and no sun roof.....like come on are you serious...markk my words F2p no later than July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abruptum Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 The core element of the quests are story driven rpg. they arnt go kill 10 boars for a fammer because they are eating his carrots. You can cover it up with whatever storyline you like, but all you're doing is "go kill 10 wookies for a moisture farmer because they are eating his space granola bars". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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