urcoconuts Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 So far in pvp I've been topping the charts and reaching the 300k mark pretty easily. even in a quick alderan i hit about 250k damage with not a lot of effort. the base damage has been around the same but the crits are about 300-400 extra damage stronger. anyone else enjoying this fix/buff to marauders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShiroRX Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Out of purely personal curiosity, did you respec today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urcoconuts Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 Out of purely personal curiosity, did you respec today? nope, I was annihilation before the patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keltonz Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Curious - what are you stats (strength, crit, surge, power)? I've heard different reports from different people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urcoconuts Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 Curious - what are you stats (strength, crit, surge, power)? I've heard different reports from different people... currently in class right now, but when I get the chance I will check those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShiroRX Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) nope, I was annihilation before the patch. Not that, I meant did you physically visit a skill mentor and refund points. Not necessarily changing primary tree. Edited February 7, 2012 by ShiroRX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keltonz Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Not that, I meant did you physically visit a skill mentor and refund points. Not necessarily changing primary tree. Are you wondering if its some sort of bug, requiring a respec to reset and use the new skills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urcoconuts Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 Not that, I meant did you physically visit a skill mentor and refund points. Not necessarily changing primary tree. no I just logged on and started playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperQ Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I call BS. damage is definitely down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShiroRX Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Are you wondering if its some sort of bug, requiring a respec to reset and use the new skills? Wouldn't be the first time. Good to examine all possibilities lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urcoconuts Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) its different if people know how to play a class, other things come into play such as: gear priority and ability to implement their abilities to the fullest. he was complaining about damage and 100k is pathetic compared to what a half decent marauder can do. Edited February 8, 2012 by Zilrota removed quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumri Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 its different if people know how to play a class, other things come into play such as: gear priority and ability to implement their abilities to the fullest. he was complaining about damage and 100k is pathetic compared to what a half decent marauder can do. What the rest of us are talking about is how the recent change is mathematically a DPS loss. You might be having a good day but the actual bleed damage being done in game is mathematically lower right now. This isn't an L2P or skill issue. Bioware literally lowered the damage through these changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastersloup Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 its different if people know how to play a class, other things come into play such as: gear priority and ability to implement their abilities to the fullest. he was complaining about damage and 100k is pathetic compared to what a half decent marauder can do. And yet a lot of people report their damage being lower than before. Damage is lower than before. player skills has nothing to do with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urcoconuts Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 Like I said in my original post is that the base damage is lower but the crit damage has been increased. If are specced right and utilize the Frenzy ability you shouldnt have a problem criting with bleeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keltonz Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Like I said in my original post is that the base damage is lower the base damage has been around the same Right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urcoconuts Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 Right... around the same means : somewhat higher or lower but not a notable huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasymodeX Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Originally Posted by urcoconuts Like I said in my original post is that the base damage is lower Originally Posted by urcoconuts somewhat higher or lower but not a notable huge difference. Let's go for round 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathTouchIG Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) My 683 DPS warzone match earlier today points to: yes Get 105% accuracy Stack crit Stack surge After stacking those, stack power Generate Fury Berserk Berserk Berserk GG Edited February 7, 2012 by deathTouchIG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMithran Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Since the +30% to crit dmg is additive it ends up being about a 5% nerf to overall bleed dmg (assuming 50% bleed crit chance which is probably conservative if you factor in Berzerk uptime) which means it's less than 5% nerf to total dmg. If you were doing well with annihilation pre-patch, you'll continue to do well. They shouldn't have called it a buff though. Since the base dmg determined by str, power, etc is same in both cases, I just excluded it from calculations. @ 80% crit multiplier: old crit: 1.34 x 1.8 = 2.412 new crit: 1.15 x 2.1 = 2.415 old non-crit: 1.34 new non-crit: 1.15 at 50% crit chance old: 0.67 + 1.206 = 1.876 new: 0.575 + 1.2075 = 1.7825 (1.876 - 1.7825)/1.876 = 0.0498 = approx 5% bleed dmg decrease 2.415(x) + 1.15(1-x) = 2.412x + 1.34(1-x) x = 0.9844 For it to be considered a buff at 80% crit multiplier, you would have to have > 98.44% crit chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasymodeX Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 If you have 85% base surge, then it's a nerf on crits as well . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathTouchIG Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) hmmmm. Well if that's how the equations are utilized in game, then that kinda sucks. It's not class breaking, but being informed that it's a buff is misleading. Has anyone experimentally compared their bleed number pre-patch to post-patch? I forgot to record my crit values last night to compare to today. Edited February 7, 2012 by deathTouchIG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegettopk Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 old crit: 1.34 x 1.8 = 2.412 Correct me if I'm mistaken, but shouldn't the old regular hit be 1.36? 30% from Bleedout applying and 6% from Hemorrhage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibmachine Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) My 683 DPS warzone match earlier today points to: yes Get 105% accuracy Stack crit Stack surge After stacking those, stack power Generate Fury Berserk Berserk Berserk GG And then you met a sorc. And it turns out he had another sorc backing him up.. Edited February 8, 2012 by Zilrota removed. Inappropriate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibaken Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 The amount of "here's some numbers I know what I'm talking about" in this thread is astounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lascivar Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 For those thinking that Annihilation got nerfed, it's only due to a low amount of crit on your part, which is now easier to boost than ever before due to the Champion Bag changes. Spend all of your Champion tokens on the Marauder Gloves, strip the mods out of them and place them into the rest of your gear. The Marauder Champion gloves contain Crit/Surge stats. Doing this to all of your gear you'll easily sit at 31%+ crit not including Juyo Form's +15% to bleeds. To the OP, yes, I'm absolutely loving the fix, my damage has become even more absurd, with regular 3x Deadly Saber crit ticks for 1400+, and far higher with Relic/Adrenal buffs stacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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