Clyric Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) Just a quick shout out to support 10-49 PvP. -Faster Queue's -Closer Matches -Less Premades -Skill vs. Skill based PvP, not (Gear v Gear) Bioware - the 10-49 bracket of PvP is a blast. Please don't change it. Post 50 is blah, circle jerk the mid of Ilum for rocket pops (really Bio-ware??), Zerg encrusted, fail gear v gear PvP. Team's en 'masse squaring off to see which group can yank a player who wanders too close to the zerg line and power gank him. Post 50 I can actually sleep through 1/4 of the fight and kill a non-geared 50 with "Gear". In Pre-50 I can actually kill a player with Skill. Don't change 10-49. Edited February 1, 2012 by Clyric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MashTactics Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 It's not really skill. The higher levels are going to win. Rather than it being based on what gear you've gotten, it's based on what level you are. You can polish off a level 20~ mirror class as a level 40-49 with a huge portion of your health left. Bolster helps, but it doesn't balance anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyric Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 I absolutely Murk 40+'s in my mirror class... even if they knew what they were doing, they might (and sometimes do) wipe the floor with me, but still - it's way funner. I have a BM Champ Geared and 50+ is broken, no fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fungihoujo Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 It's not really skill. The higher levels are going to win. Rather than it being based on what gear you've gotten, it's based on what level you are. You can polish off a level 20~ mirror class as a level 40-49 with a huge portion of your health left. Bolster helps, but it doesn't balance anything. I've killed many 40s as a 20 1v1, sooo.... you're wrong. Gear differences are almost all ignored. Only real difference is a few skills, but even then, you have most useful skills by your 20s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asnine Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I've killed many 40s as a 20 1v1, sooo.... you're wrong. Gear differences are almost all ignored. Only real difference is a few skills, but even then, you have most useful skills by your 20s. In general, true, but guardians/sents/sw/mara's would like a word with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MashTactics Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I've killed many 40s as a 20 1v1, sooo.... you're wrong. Gear differences are almost all ignored. Only real difference is a few skills, but even then, you have most useful skills by your 20s. They must have been horrible, sooo.... you're wrong. Gear difference wasn't what I was referring to. I was referring to the core skills and talents that you don't have as a level twenty. The core skills that make your DPS rotation powerful. Well, unless you got your entire rotation before level twenty, and have used all of the talents that you need to do optimum dps. So uh, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsupra Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 How can you call skill when you fight with 4 abilities,or when the enemy class gets some vital abilities after a certain level?The only part i disagree is this for the rest i completelly agree is good fun and would like to stay as it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norr Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 It's not really skill. The higher levels are going to win. Rather than it being based on what gear you've gotten, it's based on what level you are. You can polish off a level 20~ mirror class as a level 40-49 with a huge portion of your health left. So wrong. With a few AC exceptions (conc ops for example) classes have all their key abilities by the mid twenties. If you're consistently losing and aren't one of the two or three classes, you just suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MashTactics Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I agree that it is fun as hell. Certainly more fun than 50 PvP, provided that you don't get an entire team with downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MashTactics Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 So wrong. With a few AC exceptions (conc ops for example) classes have all their key abilities by the mid twenties. If you're consistently losing and aren't one of the two or three classes, you just suck. And I suppose they get all of their talent points in the mid twenties too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannythefool Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 In general, true, but guardians/sents/sw/mara's would like a word with you. Oh Hi I play a level 37 Sentinel who I've been leveling exclusively through warzones. Watchman is underrated even at low levels. That is all. But I guess this is where the entire skill/gear debate comes into play again because I have absolutely no trouble at all with almost all Marauders that I meet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsupra Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I've killed many 40s as a 20 1v1, sooo.... you're wrong. Gear differences are almost all ignored. Only real difference is a few skills, but even then, you have most useful skills by your 20s. Gear is not ignored,you get better values of armour,main stat etc as you level (if you keep the gear updated)! Not to mention some stats like crit and specially surge that come a lot later in the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amp_ Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 So wrong. With a few AC exceptions (conc ops for example) classes have all their key abilities by the mid twenties. If you're consistently losing and aren't one of the two or three classes, you just suck. It's not just abilities, but the points spent in the tree as well. 10-49 is not fair, it just has the illusion of being fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard__Rahl Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 It's not really skill. The higher levels are going to win. Rather than it being based on what gear you've gotten, it's based on what level you are. You can polish off a level 20~ mirror class as a level 40-49 with a huge portion of your health left. Bolster helps, but it doesn't balance anything. Not true at all, Its very very easy to get all purple slots on low level alts and with the bolster I have seen level 15's come out with over 15k HP and hit for 3-4 hundred more than thier level 40+ counterparts. They lose alot in the ability department, but for most classes they are very effective at low levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannythefool Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Gear is not ignored,you get better values of armour,main stat etc as you level (if you keep the gear updated)! Bolster takes care of that admirably well in the 10-49 bracket. Even crit chance and so on benefits because it's not only affected by its own stat but also by your main stat, which is bolstered in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asnine Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Oh Hi I play a level 37 Sentinel who I've been leveling exclusively through warzones. Watchman is underrated even at low levels. That is all. But I guess this is where the entire skill/gear debate comes into play again because I have absolutely no trouble at all with almost all Marauders that I meet. Sigh. Learn to read. The person I quoted was talking about being in the 20's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amp_ Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) Sigh. Learn to read. The person I quoted was talking about being in the 20's Mine is 28 and I feel like I'm just starting to hit my stride. Definitely takes some time to expand the toolkit of the Sentinel. Edited February 1, 2012 by Amp_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard__Rahl Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) I don;t want to speak for my friend but since he's not here I will, He has a level 15 alt of the two lightsabers class, and he constently leads DPS totals and has more hit points than anyone in the warzone. While he doesn't have all his abilities he is still competetive... Compare that to what I have to deal with as a fresh 50 with 1.5% expertise and I will take it all day long. Edited February 1, 2012 by Richard__Rahl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynellan Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I have wrecked level 49's with myself being lvl 25.. I would rather surmount lack of abilities and some talent points than a full team with champ/BM gear. 10-49 PvP is where it's at, way more fun than my 50 champ'd commando. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannythefool Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Sigh. Learn to read. The person I quoted was talking about being in the 20's Yes, well, what did you think I meant when I wrote I leveled that character almost exclusively through warzones? That I somehow started at 37? Don't be daft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenbruton Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Doesnt matter what level I am in the 10-49 bracket. I perform well on my lvl 20 or my level 35 toon. Its fair enopugh, which just goes to prove that expertise is a stupid stupid stat to add. Im fully expecting getting to 50, seeing the state of PvP and rerolling another char Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowerslayer Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 There is no skill in mmo pvp. There is only death. Now Starcraft and RTS games is a different story- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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