SpikeRosered Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 One thing I really liked on Hutta is that the BH seemed to be the first class that truly had no allegiance. I get that the Mandalorians have a deal with the Imps, but that only explains why you start out hanging around empire planets. To continue to do so seems forced though. I'm in the middle of Dromund Kass. Is there a stronger reason to side with the imperials that surfaces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducksmyth Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) The BH seems to have little choice in anything and it feels like it is forced darkside to make sense. My IA felt like I made my own choices, on the BH the options tend to be - greedy response, murderous response but don't enjoy it, murderous and loving it. Compare it to the IA end of act one where theres a ton of different outcomes with a full range from out and out hero to sith gestapo with a few neutralish and pragmatic choices in between as well as the choice of talking your way out of the final boss in both dark and light varieties. Edited February 1, 2012 by ducksmyth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atsurak Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 i was thinking the same as you - especially as an alien lightside bounty hunter. suffice to say though... its because the republic take things way too personally. i mean, i've hunted imperial officers, and nothing really comes of it. you kill a couple of Jedi masters (and maybe a cruiser i guess ) and the republic get really arsey about it. the scene in the casino penthouse really sealed it for me. up to there, it was a job - i was working for the empire because they paid best, and would gladly have helped the republic if they'd give me a job. after that though, the republic can burn. none of those people deserved to die, least of all just because they happened to be freinds with me. if the republic want a fight, come on and fight me - dont send in jedi and special ops to slaughter people at a party i'm not even at. then framing me for atrocities really just put the icing on the cake. you also, if your a lightside hunter at least, can do some things late on to rein in one of the empire's more brutal commanders. i wont say much about that though as heavy spoiler even for tagged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDTC Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 i guess the way they wave that away is by saying, all your targets are on/near imperial planets, so... just work with the local forces to help get to your mark. end of act 2 gives you a nice reason to side with the empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atsurak Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 The BH seems to have little choice in anything and it feels like it is forced darkside to make sense. i disagree. i felt that the lightside options went very well to give the impression of someone that starts of doing a job, and gets dragged more and more into it (often caused by his current enemies, who dont understand the concept of 'mercenary'), until eventually he's working for people that given the choice he'd leave lying in a puddle of their own, slightly burnt, blood. and by a remarkable coincidence, guess which ending i went with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosimoo Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 BH's tend to operate from the dark underbelly of society, so they fit in well with the Empire, however both sides could really use BH skills if they felt the need. Personally I'd like the option to fight for the Republics when I'm in Ilum, as my services should be available for the highest bidder (as long as I get paid for being in Ilum). Good option for balancing sides maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atsurak Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 BH's tend to operate from the dark underbelly of society, so they fit in well with the Empire, however both sides could really use BH skills if they felt the need. Personally I'd like the option to fight for the Republics when I'm in Ilum, as my services should be available for the highest bidder (as long as I get paid for being in Ilum). Good option for balancing sides maybe? haha, yeah only for lightside BHs though, the republic hasnt forgiven the meany dark ones yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosimoo Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 haha, yeah only for lightside BHs though, the republic hasnt forgiven the meany dark ones yet Aw thats me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharagada Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 If I was able to do things my way this would have been a 3 faction game, the third faction would have been some kind of neutral mercenary type faction/cartel and that's where the smugglers and Bounty Hunter classes would have gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosimoo Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 If I was able to do things my way this would have been a 3 faction game, the third faction would have been some kind of neutral mercenary type faction/cartel and that's where the smugglers and Bounty Hunter classes would have gone. Hmm so in my ideal world if BH's could hop over to help Republics in Ilum, Smugglers could do the same in case of reverse imbalance. We should still get paid for doing it though! Happy to grind LS from DS5 if this were made an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turel Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Is bounty hunting even legal in the Republic during this era? IF so I'd imagine it's much more controlled and probably allowing capture but not killing. I think the republic generally prefers to use more official operatives such as SIS agents. I know that the purpose of Bounty Hunter Guilds was to regulate and control bounty hunting and that was started by the senate. I'm pretty sure that the legality otf bounty hunting has changed a couple of times based on era and government (pretty certain the new republic outlawed it again). Another thing to remember is that the Great Hunt is a Mandalorian tradition and they're allied with the Empire. Start of Chapter 2 Spoiler: Since the purpose of the great hunt is to find an individual capable of performing a difficult task for the Mandalorians it seems highly unlikely that they'd want an enemy to be eligible for this position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsalt Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I really had no feelings one way or another for either faction on my BH until I got to Quesh. The class quest line there sealed the deal. I will kill as many Republic scum as possible until they pry my blasters from my cold dead fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeRosered Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 Well I guess I'm glad that you get a good reason eventually to side with the Imps, but I'm sad that there can't be a third neutral faction of some kind. While on Hutta it was nice for one to truly be pursuing my own goals rather than the goals of my superiors from the get go. It felt more like character you make in a pencil and paper role playing game. When you're playing DnD (or even Star Wars: RPG) you usually don't make a character beholdant to someone else, you typically make them a free agent that will experience the world and grow. It was nice for a little while at least to not have to listen to some imperial talk about how his whole unit was wiped out by w/e it is you are about to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nateslice Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 i was thinking the same as you - especially as an alien lightside bounty hunter. suffice to say though... its because the republic take things way too personally. i mean, i've hunted imperial officers, and nothing really comes of it. you kill a couple of Jedi masters (and maybe a cruiser i guess ) and the republic get really arsey about it. the scene in the casino penthouse really sealed it for me. up to there, it was a job - i was working for the empire because they paid best, and would gladly have helped the republic if they'd give me a job. after that though, the republic can burn. none of those people deserved to die, least of all just because they happened to be freinds with me. if the republic want a fight, come on and fight me - dont send in jedi and special ops to slaughter people at a party i'm not even at. then framing me for atrocities really just put the icing on the cake. Agreed 100%. This is exactly how I view the situation. I can't wait for the final boss fight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erevan_Kindelar Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 The Empire is more of a "Results at all cost" group, with less regard for individual human life (I don't think it is too much of a spoiler to say that as a BH you may see surprising similaritles in the Republic at some places). But generally the Republic security forces are closer to an organised police force than the Empire security forces, which are basically an army unit stationed in civilian areas. In those cases, the army will be good at territorial occupation but not at catching criminals unless they can "catch" them with an artillery barrage or a bomber strike. Also, I get the impression that the personal revenge culture that leads to private bounties on peoples' heads is frowned upon in Republic space, where the courts and due-process are more popular. So the BH becomes more of a private policeman punishing, rather than preventing, "crimes". It would make sense for the BH to be a neutrally aligned character, but as it is currently the mirror class for the Republic Trooper, Bioware would either need to put in another class to mirror the Trooper or make Trooper a class available to both sides (the Empire needs troopers too!), so that BH can become independent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosimoo Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 It would make sense for the BH to be a neutrally aligned character, but as it is currently the mirror class for the Republic Trooper, Bioware would either need to put in another class to mirror the Trooper or make Trooper a class available to both sides (the Empire needs troopers too!), so that BH can become independent. The crazy thing is the Empire DOES have troopers. If you level a Republic Trooper you end up killing Imperial Troopers. BH's shouldn't really be the mirror class to Troopers. Republic Troopers fight for their faction, whereas BH's really don't care who we fight for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlownSi Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I have had no issue with the convo choices with my BH. I feel the choices allow me to kinda be my own entity just working for clients who happen to be part of the Empire. I am always critical of the Sith mission givers, letting them know they do not intimidate me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atsurak Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 The crazy thing is the Empire DOES have troopers. If you level a Republic Trooper you end up killing Imperial Troopers. BH's shouldn't really be the mirror class to Troopers. Republic Troopers fight for their faction, whereas BH's really don't care who we fight for. we're the equivalent in gameplay terms, that doesnt mean we have to be equivalent in storyline terms too. i'm sure the empire have smugglers that work for them too, and the republic probably have some bounty hunters working for them, and i'd be highly surprised if there wasnt some form of 'republic intelligence' agency too.... but in gameplay terms, these things do not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brutalos Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Imperial credits are better than Republic ones that's for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwny_Express Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 One thing I really liked on Hutta is that the BH seemed to be the first class that truly had no allegiance. I get that the Mandalorians have a deal with the Imps, but that only explains why you start out hanging around empire planets. To continue to do so seems forced though. I'm in the middle of Dromund Kass. Is there a stronger reason to side with the imperials that surfaces? Not really. I have played up through the storyline all the way to Belsavis so far and there are always options to say, "forget your politics, I'm in it for the money." I'm guessing BH is on Empire side simply because the Empire is more likely to put a price on someone's head/capture than the Republic, and they probably would pay better for it. I just wiped out the entire crew of one of the Star Destroyers and told the Darth on board that he's next unless he stops pestering me. I have equally killed Jedi, Mandalorians, Sith, Republic. I hold no allegiances except to the contracts I take. So, no, you don't have to be an Imperial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksabbi Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Well the way I understand it from the story. It's not that the Republic has anything against bounty hunters. I don't think they like them but they're not illegal per se. I think you run in to the republic equivalent of bounty hunters during the BH story. It's just that when you start the game your participating in the Great Hunt, which is being put on by the Mandalorians. Who are currently allied with the empire. So as a result for the first act at least your kinda working for the empire. Then at the end of act I ... you kill a famous Jedi General and DESTROY an entire Republic frigate which pretty much ruins your chances of working for the republic from then on. After the Act I climax, The republic kinda wants you dead or alive emphasis on Dead. Even at the end of Act 3 the chancelor admits that the Jedi master had become over zealous in his pursuit of you and admits it was wrong and offers to make amends. No matter what option you choose there I think the subtext is The republic will no longer be actively pursuing you, but you certainly are NOT welcome in the republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theangryllama Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 First off afaik via republic law bounty hunting is technically an illegal activity. It still exists to be sure but your certainly not going to get hired by anything other than crime bosses etc. Secondly (and this is the main reason) is the fact that the mandalorian clans are currently allied with the empire. If you watch the timeline vids this is speculated this is because the previous Mandalore was brought into power purely due to the machinations of imperial intelligence but on the grand scale its because they have been lured by the greatest hunt of all and want to go jedi killin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwny_Express Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Secondly (and this is the main reason) is the fact that the mandalorian clans are currently allied with the empire. You assume all BH's are Mandalorian. I chose to reject the Mandalore with the options "Mandalorians can all rot." Glory and honor don't pay the bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysun Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 this is where Bioware dropped the ball and where PVP will eventually fail...(since all pvp is Empire heavy) why not have a neutral 3rd faction? Any class can join if they like.. as a BH's I'd rather be a 'Free Agent' than have any allegiance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkpyxi Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 IIRC after the Casino bit, the Republic does a bit of it's own Dark Side partying by bounty placing and the rest of it...(I won't go into details due to spoilers), but that's why my BH- who's been pretty neutral up to now is hating them pretty hard. She's not a fan of the Empire either, but that Jedi scumsmear pissed her off, and his lackeys are next. I'm about to move into the next act, so things should be interesting. Junila had a bad feeling about this anyway, ever since the jerkwad sent the padawan after her in the first place.....the kid didn't have to die. ~Honor above all, but credits help;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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