mutee Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 nah its more funny to watch this 1 button spamming merc and seeing you 1 button mashers try and defend it ops concealment tree got gutted and nothing in return arsenal/gunnery will follow the same path lmao.... lead dev for swtor pvp... lol like he has any credibility since pvp is a huge mess Ops came from nowhere, and killed people during their stun, that's in need of a nerf... arsenal/gunnery isn't overpowered, their damage isn't that impressive and they don't **** 1v1, the only time a gunnery/arsenal shines is when they're left to free cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatbox Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I am a gunnery specced commando with full champs gear. I can do decent dmg if left slone in a wz but if i get focused by almost any class i am done we have nothing outside of grav spam. It builds a stscking debuff that increases the dmg of a few of our other spells. I am an easy kill for melee and they know it and come running as soon as they can. We get slowed spells get locked out cant escape have 2 useless heals one sit a 3 sec cast time which u can forget about. Also ammo runs out quickly all in all its very weak in pvp snd doesnt burn things down as fast as u might think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimso Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Ops came from nowhere, and killed people during their stun, that's in need of a nerf... arsenal/gunnery isn't overpowered, their damage isn't that impressive and they don't **** 1v1, the only time a gunnery/arsenal shines is when they're left to free cast. what wz's do you play in ? what's your target priority ? the healer or the one button masher ? of course ranged dps will get to free cast oh noe's i'm trying to focus melee burn this the healer down but this one button masher is spamming tm/grav rounds at me!! i better peel off and los before im told to l2p!!1!! quick making tired responses and excuses for it, ops got nerfed, everyone knows its either gonna be merc or sorc next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotorBoatZ Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 If a BH is just spamming tracer then he deserves to die easy. When I was arsenal I rarely used tracer, never in a 1v1 head on fight, only if im maybe on a ledge or far enough away from a fight that i can cast it a few times. It just really pisses me off when people say mercs suck because all the do is spam tracer.. It should be.. mercs who spam tracer suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutee Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 what wz's do you play in ? what's your target priority ? the healer or the one button masher ? of course ranged dps will get to free cast oh noe's i'm trying to focus melee burn this the healer down but this one button masher is spamming tm/grav rounds at me!! i better peel off and los before im told to l2p!!1!! quick making tired responses and excuses for it, ops got nerfed, everyone knows its either gonna be merc or sorc next If nobody is attack a range class and they're free to cast, how does spamming 1 skill or 3 make a difference? I mean no class has a difficult dps rotation. Ops got nerfed because they could stuck buffs and kill people in a stun, mercs can't, mercs are one of if not the weakest class 1v1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragiel Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Guys.. stop blaming BH/Troopers for using what is their main spec build for.. its not their fault.. just check the talent tree they have.. and you see.. they are FORCED to use it and to spam it. Bioware should inteed change it so they have rotations similar to other classes and of course no talent tree should benefit only from one skill.. So yes for change, but stop blaming players for using what they have available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edex Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 You know in all seriousness these threads make me laugh. Obvious hater threads from ops who feel 'nerfed'. So let me help you guys out and point out simple ways to deal with tracer spam. 1.interrupt - just requires paying attention to their casting. 2.stun - should be your last option but a solid one. 3.knockback - yep it interrupts casting. 4.Force shroud/etc some classes like assasins have shielding abilities for a few seconds that would actually let you resist this. 5.LOS - duck behind something to interrupt casting then attack. 6.Vanish - only available to some classes but they can vanish from sight breaking los once again and letting you close the distance. 7.Pulls - similar to knockbacks any pull such as powertech grapple will also interrupt this. 8. Attacks with animations- my favorite on my assasin to use before any stun is spike, the knockdown is only 2 seconds but the animation time is longer, thus letting my team hurt/kill said player or setting them up for the finisher. If all else fails remember you can run and heal, you are biochem right? And all these options should give you ample time to cycle through all of them and keep said spammer locked down or under control. If you let them stand around casting with impudence then you deserve to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimso Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 If nobody is attack a range class and they're free to cast, how does spamming 1 skill or 3 make a difference? I mean no class has a difficult dps rotation. Ops got nerfed because they could stuck buffs and kill people in a stun, mercs can't, mercs are one of if not the weakest class 1v1. mercs cant use the wz buff ? or pop relics, adrenals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthVarrak Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 mercs cant use the wz buff ? or pop relics, adrenals He's saying we cant kill people with 2 hits in a single stun. Get back under your bridge *pokes with stick* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimso Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) He's saying we cant kill people with 2 hits in a single stun. Get back under your bridge *pokes with stick* go back to spamming one button going to bed, enjoy your eventual nerf Edited January 30, 2012 by grimso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthVarrak Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 go back to spamming one button Read sig, Bodyguard merc, not Bodyguard/Arsenal, I dont even have Tracer. L2Read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurdbud Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Personally I think Force Lightning spam is worse. I love how people have a problem with Tracer but don't have a problem with Force Lightning. OP must play a Sorc eh? Force Lightning does good damage, and slows you, and it is spammable if you are Madness OR hybrid madness/lightning. You forgot long range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wikar Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) I always watch their abilities, and it's usually the same deal. Tracer missile, Tracer mis (interrupted) ... pause ... unload! ... tracer missile, tracer missile (than they usually end up dead or switch targets to do more tracer missile.) Oh you bad fat troll, you know that Tracert Missile and Unload only have cast bar, right? I always watch powertech and you know what? they cast NOTHING, but people just randomly dieng in a fire around them, ffs, nerf their passive "kill everyone" ability naow! Edited January 30, 2012 by Wikar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMike Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Just reduce damage on TM/GR to half what it does and problem solved, when it crits (and it crits a lot due to set bonus) for 2400-2500 on fully champion gear, and its spammable, thats a problem. It should be combo builder, not main damage skill. Edited January 30, 2012 by GrandMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drachii Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Dear blanket TM/GR nerfers: Sorry, no. Won't happen, because lolpvebalance as well. Feel free to continue wasting your time with asinine suggestions such as 'CUT ITS DMG IN HALF' or 'GIVE IT A 3MIN CD' (yes, I exaggerate. Sue me!), but none of that will /actually happen/. I'm ok with these threads, though. They conceal the fact that assault specialists are having a field day out there :X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seyyah Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Its not about being a bad or good merc/commando... its the mechanics... bioware has given them only that option... the whole dps tree unravels around the spam of that single ability... but i tell you what... if you can not interrupt that, you should... if you die to an arsenal's AoE death from above (commandos counterpart is even worse) you ARE blind... All of the big hitters of an arsenal are easily "LoS"able... its 1.5secs cast(more with broken ability delay and self cancels)... its ok if you get the first one out of nowhere but it is idiotic to stand around to get the rest... and there is no way 1 or 2 TM kills you... I ve seen many other classes who have instant cast big hitting spams... Ne... yes i have a Merc... No i am not an arsenal, as i simply refuse the fact that my only option to be half effective in PvP is to constantly bend over and shoot missiles out of me arse... And you can show me HUUGE dps numbers all you want... its not those numbers, its the effectiveness and utility of a class/player is what makes you win the matches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teyngodown Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 184 Expertise, and the 50 bracket. wow 2nd in damage to a SORC.... and it was the sorc who was 1 button SPAMMING force lightning at mid around 6:35. Sorc had almost 100k damage on the 1 button BH lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackadda Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) That already happened... 184 Expertise, and the 50 bracket. lol nice vids .. 1st..PRE 1.1 200k with only tracer against non level 50. 2nd Current 184k with only tracer Problem is.. a few days ago I scored 185,000 dmg, in the current patch in the same map by spamming NORMAL attack (aka rapid shots) with a merc and the "combustable gas cylinder" setting. And that was in all 50's pvp, against Champ and BM geared players. Advantage of spamming normal attack is you get to move...and its not interruptable. Thanks for proving tracer damage is just fine where it is Edited January 30, 2012 by blackadda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharrn Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 My main is a merc but I recently respecced to pyro as arsenal was getting boring and as I wanted to be more mobile. I have started a purely healing specced sorc a while ago as there never seemed to be any healers in WZs and am thus now a favorite target of the artillery on that char. The only map I have difficulties with is huttball as it sometimes takes me too long to localize the source of the fzzzztCHEEEEWW! BOOM! but otherwise it's fun to interrupt the bad mercs and watch them stand there doing nothing at all Personally I'd still like to see TM damage reduced and other abilities improved. Or reduce the CT together with the damage to shift the focus to the actual function of the skill: armor reduction and priming the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavern Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I like when you interrupt Tracer Missile/Grav Round and the person just stands still not using any skills. + REP! I love doing that and then telling them they suck. I actually spent 2 mins just interrupting a guy and took no damage and doing nothing but interrupt it was sad just to see if they knew any other skills. Sad thing is that it took 3 skills to keep them interrupted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindor Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I like how it look like your character is taking a **** when firing the missile. It had to be the worst boring gameplay of all time and you look like an *** too. But i guess its k as long as it does very nice damage ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewilson Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Unfortunately the way arsenal spec works is that you need to spam tracer x3, unload if barrage has procced from the tracer missiles, heat seaker missile (need the 5 tracer locks from Tracer x3), do another 2 tracers to build up 5 procs to shoot a rail shot then repepeat. It is the way the class is designed. Everything revolves around spamming tracers. Our other 3 abilities all work off procs from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viashivan Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 "line of sight" <- learn 2 play noobi whiners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullsith Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 "line of sight" <- learn 2 play noobi whiners That's a lot coming from someone whose whole skill in PVP is one button. Ouch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackadda Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Unfortunately the way arsenal spec works is that you need to spam tracer x3, unload if barrage has procced from the tracer missiles, heat seaker missile (need the 5 tracer locks from Tracer x3), do another 2 tracers to build up 5 procs to shoot a rail shot then repepeat. It is the way the class is designed. Everything revolves around spamming tracers. Our other 3 abilities all work off procs from it. Yeah this and by NOT spamming tracer, situationally using one of 4 AOE's (DFA/Fusion/Sweeping Blasters and Flamethrower) as well as using the "Tracer debuff reqired to not be crap" skills AKA rail/heatseeker/unload.. you vastly outperform anyone who happened to only be using tracer. As i said previously, vids posted show 184k in a 50 warzone with tracer spam only as "evidence" of being OP. Problem is Ive done 185k in the same 50 WZ, using "NORMAL" attack (Rapid shots) and unspecced combustable gas cylinder. Tracer is about the same power as an operative spamming an untalented "snipe" from cover... rooted in place, spamming 1 button over and over... except snipe deals more damage than tracer once its talented into... Heaven forbid one of these "Tracer is OP" players roll a sniper and make a vid of them sitting in 1 spot spamming a properly talented snipe skill over and over.. *edit* just noticed the OP says he is a Sniper... LOL ... so he could do the above AND duck down in cover between his 1.5 second spammable skill AND deal more damage than a tracer spammer from longer range. Edited January 30, 2012 by blackadda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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