Mormack Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Everytime I see this post, it baffles me.... How is this not an MMO? I see people, I chat with people, I group with people, I trade with people...all in real time.....its an MMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmpearson Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The mobs also need better agro range. They just stand there... I can go away and eat having my character 5m away a group of mobs... hello? I agree. There is no sense of danger and it breaks immersion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nisallik Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Everytime I see this post, it baffles me.... How is this not an MMO? I see people, I chat with people, I group with people, I trade with people...all in real time.....its an MMO. It's because many people are playing this like a single player game and then come to the forums and complain it is not a MMO because they are not spoon fed friends/chat/groups. ;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoxiousAlby Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 There is nothing about this game that says I need to pay $15 a month in addition to what I already paid by purchasing the game. The story lines are good, but it's designed with a single player in mind. Essentially it's a single player game with 3 multiplayer maps. You & I must not be playing the same game, i've never played such an rpgmmo that is so "group" heavy on content in over a decade. Heroic quests are a *****, these days there are very few groups running them unlike the 1st week and adding them to a LFG system will be fubar as people will need to sit around for 30min plus waiting for their group to pop. Just tried soloing a heroic 2+ died nearly every pull as my class has no CC, but at least I could down 1 mob and come back to face 2 instead of 3. If anything Swtor is the least friendly solo player game I have played in a while, considering they touted themselves as the solo players friend you might say "i'm not happy Jan." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mormack Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 It's because many people are playing this like a single player game and then come to the forums and complain it is not a MMO because they are not spoon fed friends/chat/groups. ;p But somehow WoW is this amazing open world Full of Life and grouping MMO that you group in all the time to level up....lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KagatoTheThird Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 If they can keep a million for a year that would be great for them. But if they lost half their potential customers before they even began the 30 day trail period that doesn't bode well. BW gets $30 a box at most, at 2.1m units that's $60m. They've also stated they spent around $200m on the game, EA-Louse ( disgruntled insider ) claimed they spent 300m. $30 a box is high and $200m could be low, but we'll use those numbers, and that leaves BW $140m in the hole. Industry guesstimates I've read put the magic break even number at 300k - 500k subs. That's what it takes to maintain servers, bandwidth, CS and billing. This is after Lucas takes their share which from my understanding is 1/3 of the revenue from subs. Well say they break even at 300k. And lets say they maintain 500k subs over the long run. 200k subs goes to profit and after LA takes it's third that gives BW $2m a month profit. At that rate it will take them 70 months to pay off the initial investment. Almost 6 years. um to be profitable you have to pay off your investment debts so no at 300k you are paying everything off and the 200k is giveing you pure profits. and in the interview that the 500k numbercame from they said 500k would be very sucsessful not breaking even or just making a profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mormack Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 You & I must not be playing the same game, i've never played such an rpgmmo that is so "group" heavy on content in over a decade. Heroic quests are a *****, these days there are very few groups running them unlike the 1st week and adding them to a LFG system will be fubar as people will need to sit around for 30min plus waiting for their group to pop. Just tried soloing a heroic 2+ died nearly every pull as my class has no CC, but at least I could down 1 mob and come back to face 2 instead of 3. If anything Swtor is the least friendly solo player game I have played in a while, considering they touted themselves as the solo players friend you might say "i'm not happy Jan." You do realize that all heroic Content is optional and you can level all the way to 50 without doing any of them, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoxiousAlby Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 You do realize that all heroic Content is optional and you can level all the way to 50 without doing any of them, right? Of course it's optional but who wants to skip content, and theres a heck of a lot of it (heroic quests). Then theres the gear upgrades, if I was to skip it then whats the point in playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mormack Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Of course it's optional but who wants to skip content, and theres a heck of a lot of it (heroic quests). Then theres the gear upgrades, if I was to skip it then whats the point in playing? To enjoy the story, to play a character you enjoy playing? I've hardly done any heroic content...If I want to group, I go find a Flashpoint or join a warzone. Skipping Heroic content doesn't bother me too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoggyMack Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Do you also walk in to a Starbucks and say I don't drink coffee but here is what i don't like about yours? Tip o' the hat for making me chuckle. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevlarto Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 First off, virtually every MMO released since WoW can be played "solo" until you reach end game. To say that that is a flaw in SWTOR is to either be ignorant or to hate MMOs altogether. Second of all, there IS a grouping function. Sure it could use some work, but it does exist. Finally, you're paying for quite a bit more than warzones. If you go out and buy a game that only incidentally deals with pvp and then you complain about the lack of pvp, well, that would be a YOU problem. What makes your post even worse is your comparison to WoW. In Vanilla WoW for almost a year there were zero BGs. Even at the and of vanilla there were only three. And since you're whining about not being able to immediately summon 3 NPCs from other servers to clear FPs for you I can only assume that you are referring to the dumpster fire LFD tool from WoW. Adios man. Although I doubt you will be missed. agree, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoxiousAlby Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 To enjoy the story, to play a character you enjoy playing? I've hardly done any heroic content...If I want to group, I go find a Flashpoint or join a warzone. Skipping Heroic content doesn't bother me too much. Well it's starting to bother me, I have a 50 marauder, 48 Trooper, and a 35 Operative, and like you was forced to skip most Heroic content due to the time it takes to find groups after the first 2 weeks. The mere fact there is so much of it has brought me to a point where I no longer want to skip it, yes I enjoy the class quests but rather than redoing all the generic quests over & over on each different character I thought it would be nice to mix the class quests up with some heroic content. This is not a single player game & nor is it single player friendly, only the class & generic quest can be done single player. That leaves alot of content missed out on if you are so inclined to play solo. To say i'm dissapointed would be an understatement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laeris Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Tip o' the hat for making me chuckle. Well said. Well, that's all well and good except he's making a logical fallacy with the coffee comment. The person he was replying to obviously "drinks coffee" because he is A) playing SWTOR and B) has played other MMORPGs in the past. Hence, he is a coffee drinker. Therefore, he is obviously a coffee drinker going into a coffee shop with a drink in hand saying, "Hey, you... this coffee you made me? It's no good and here's why I don't like it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzras Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 First off, virtually every MMO released since WoW can be played "solo" until you reach end game. To say that that is a flaw in SWTOR is to either be ignorant or to hate MMOs altogether. Second of all, there IS a grouping function. Sure it could use some work, but it does exist. Finally, you're paying for quite a bit more than warzones. If you go out and buy a game that only incidentally deals with pvp and then you complain about the lack of pvp, well, that would be a YOU problem. What makes your post even worse is your comparison to WoW. In Vanilla WoW for almost a year there were zero BGs. Even at the and of vanilla there were only three. And since you're whining about not being able to immediately summon 3 NPCs from other servers to clear FPs for you I can only assume that you are referring to the dumpster fire LFD tool from WoW. Adios man. Although I doubt you will be missed. This sums it up I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laeris Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Well it's starting to bother me, I have a 50 marauder, 48 Trooper, and a 35 Operative, and like you was forced to skip most Heroic content due to the time it takes to find groups after the first 2 weeks. The mere fact there is so much of it has brought me to a point where I no longer want to skip it, yes I enjoy the class quests but rather than redoing all the generic quests over & over on each different character I thought it would be nice to mix the class quests up with some heroic content. This is not a single player game & nor is it single player friendly, only the class & generic quest can be done single player. That leaves alot of content missed out on if you are so inclined to play solo. To say i'm dissapointed would be an understatement. Or you could just outlevel the heroic content by 5-6 levels then go back and solo them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwamper Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Is it really so difficult for PVP'ers to tell the difference between a game that has 'lite-pvp' vs one that is pvp-focused? Anyone who did any research on the game could easily tell that pvp was not the main focus of the game. How can you come here and complain there aren't enough pvp features when you should've known that two years ago? For myself, I'd prefer if they just ripped pvp out of the game completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzras Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Or you could just outlevel the heroic content by 5-6 levels then go back and solo them Like in every other MMO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoxiousAlby Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Or you could just outlevel the heroic content by 5-6 levels then go back and solo them Yes you could do that just to see the content but any drops would be obsolete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laeris Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Yes you could do that just to see the content but any drops would be obsolete. The only reason anybody does heroics is for the moddable orange drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzras Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The only reason anybody does heroics is for the moddable orange drops. So no one does these for the content, only the shiny? Tis sad when every game just boils down to epeen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeStrike Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The only reason anybody does heroics is for the moddable orange drops. Wrong. Thanks for generalizing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acheros Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 So no one does these for the content, only the shiny? Tis sad when every game just boils down to epeen. blame the WoW fanboiz, WoW has trained people to think content doesn't matter, only the size of your gearscore does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamemory Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 welcome to the disillusionment. it's about time MMO players expect more for their $15/month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapikoks Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 At the beginning in my guild were something like 250 ppl online. Now 40-60. Where did they go if this game is so big success ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwordoftheStars Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 At the beginning in my guild were something like 250 ppl online. Now 40-60. Where did they go if this game is so big success ? they left the guild because they couldnt take all this enjoyment and this fun stuff and all the things that you can do anymore. They just had no room for the guild, they left so they can enjoy all the content alone and dont want other to be part of their enjoyment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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