sickirony Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I've got nothing better to do at the moment, so I figured I'd share one of my pet peeves with the SWTOR forums. I keep seeing people refer to the game as ToR; however, in reality, you would never (ever) make the acronym for Star Wars: The Old Republic simply "ToR." Why, you ask? Because, when making acronym, the only letters made lower case are the articles, prepositions, and/or other insignificant words. So let's break this down a little bit: Star: Neither an article nor insignificant. Here, it's functioning as a modifier for the noun "wars." Wars: A noun. Hmmmm... The: Oh snap. Here we have an article. What ever shall we do? Old: Not an article. In fact, this is a very important adjective that specifies which Republic we are talking about. Republic: The primary noun in all of this mumbo-jumbo. So, in reality, we have only one article in the whole title. What does this all mean? When quickly referring to the game, we should be calling it SWtOR. But, "Professor, that looks stupid," you say. "That's right, little Ferdinand. And that wouldn't be an acronym anyway because, as we discussed, acronyms form pronounceable words, like 'WoW.' Things like 'NFL' and 'SWtOR' are actually forms of initialization." "But, Professor," you say again, "should we be calling it 'tOR?'" "No, Ferdinand. When dealing with initializations or acronyms, the first letter will always be capitalized." So there you have it, folks. It isn't ToR--it is TOR. Why do we call it the former? Well, that's probably because we are so used to saying WoW. Why wouldn't we say ToR? I guess, though, if you wanted to get really creative, you could drop the "t" and call it SWOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calsetes Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 There is no Dana, only Zul! And what a lovely singing voice you have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeRosered Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 There is no Dana, only Zul! And what a lovely singing voice you have! I want to make the nostalgia critic joke but it's inappropriate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGSThomas Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) There is no Dana, only Zul! And what a lovely singing voice you have! "I want you inside of me" "It sounds like you got a few people in there already... go ahead.. No I cant!" "Oh Zully you old nut.. I'm gonna count to 3 and If I dont get to talk to Dana... Theres gonna be some real trouble in this apartment I think..." Edited January 27, 2012 by AGSThomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amenian Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Wouldn't it be tOR then? Also, SWtOR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickirony Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 Wouldn't it be tOR then? Also, SWtOR? Did you read the post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amenian Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Did you read the post? After I posted. I'm special like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunabaguna Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Wouldn't it be tOR then? Also, SWtOR? He went over this in his post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGSThomas Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 After I posted. I'm special like that. "I'm cool like dat, I'm cool like dat" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seisaan Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Ok. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGSThomas Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) "But, Professor," you say again, "should we be calling it 'tOR?'" No, really I was going to say, "But Professor, this is a video game forum and no one cares about English lessons here." Edited January 27, 2012 by AGSThomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickirony Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 No, really I was going to say, "But Professor, this is a video game forum and no one cares about English lessons here." It was all in well-intended fun. HOWEVER! I'll give you extra credit if you can tell me where you are missing a comma in the text quoted above! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legbamel Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I've got nothing better to do at the moment, so I figured I'd share one of my pet peeves with the SWTOR forums. I keep seeing people refer to the game as ToR; however, in reality, you would never (ever) make the acronym for Star Wars: The Old Republic simply "ToR." Why, you ask? Because, when making acronym, the only letters made lower case are the articles, prepositions, and/or other insignificant words. So let's break this down a little bit: Star: Neither an article nor insignificant. Here, it's functioning as a modifier for the noun "wars." Wars: A noun. Hmmmm... The: Oh snap. Here we have an article. What ever shall we do? Old: Not an article. In fact, this is a very important adjective that specifies which Republic we are talking about. Republic: The primary noun in all of this mumbo-jumbo. So, in reality, we have only one article in the whole title. What does this all mean? When quickly referring to the game, we should be calling it SWtOR. But, "Professor, that looks stupid," you say. "That's right, little Ferdinand. And that wouldn't be an acronym anyway because, as we discussed, acronyms form pronounceable words, like 'WoW.' Things like 'NFL' and 'SWtOR' are actually forms of initialization." "But, Professor," you say again, "should we be calling it 'tOR?'" "No, Ferdinand. When dealing with initializations or acronyms, the first letter will always be capitalized." So there you have it, folks. It isn't ToR--it is TOR. Why do we call it the former? Well, that's probably because we are so used to saying WoW. Why wouldn't we say ToR? I guess, though, if you wanted to get really creative, you could drop the "t" and call it SWOR I think I love you. But because of the colon in the title you'd capitalize "the" in any case, would you not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodan Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 its tor, im too lazy to hold the shift key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amenian Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 It was all in well-intended fun. HOWEVER! I'll give you extra credit if you can tell me where you are missing a comma in the text quoted above! After the "really." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixAshen Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 No, really I was going to say, "But Professor, this is a video game forum and no one cares about English lessons here." After the "really." The comma belongs after "and". "But Professor, this is a video game forum, and no one cares about English lessons here." The sentence above has two independent clauses. this is a video game forum no one cares about English lessons here By joining them with a comma and subordinating conjunction, a complex sentence is created. I compulsively hate grammar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnonSeek Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 ToR or TOR which is it to be? Oh what the heck I think I'll go with ToR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishums Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) No, really I was going to say, "But Professor, this is a video game forum and no one cares about English lessons here." I'll give you extra credit if you can tell me where you are missing a comma in the text quoted above! It goes after "But", because 'Professor' is a direct address and therefore should be surrounded by commas. Seriously though, I can be a grammar Nazi at times, and I use TOR rather than SW:TOR. It's just faster. Edit: You could also put a comma after "and", but you specifically said "a comma", and the first one I mentioned is more necessary as far as grammatical correctness goes. Edited January 28, 2012 by Phishums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesizs Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) lol ................................................................. cares noone does : : official Joda quote Edited January 28, 2012 by Genesizs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanSnowWolf Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 AWESOME! Now if only we can get the WoW kids to stop saying auction house, spells, cast, raids, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul_of_Flames Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 People say ToR because they are are subconsciously confusing it with KotOR. I even caught myself doing it a few times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesizs Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) AWESOME! Now if only we can get the WoW kids to stop saying auction house, spells, cast, raids, etc. lol .................................................. ............... cares noone does : : official Joda quote Edited January 28, 2012 by Genesizs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korizan Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 But this looks sooooo much better. SWToR Actually I prefer SW:TOR, which is actually correct not SWTOR. As it is "Star Wars: The Old Republic" NOT "Star Wars The Old Republic". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishums Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 cares noone does : : official Joda quote While we're on the topic of grammar, I'll point out that "noone" isn't a word. Sucks, your English does. - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixAshen Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) It goes after "But", because 'Professor' is a direct address and therefore should be surrounded by commas. Seriously though, I can be a grammar Nazi at times, and I use TOR rather than SW:TOR. It's just faster. Edit: You could also put a comma after "and", but you specifically said "a comma", and the first one I mentioned is more necessary as far as grammatical correctness goes. Grammatically, you are correct about setting off a direct address with commas. However, I grew up in the time of "never begin a sentence with 'and' or 'but'", and I maintain that it is still sloppy writing. In my opinion, "but" should stick to its role as a coordinating conjunction, as that is what it is best at. Incidentally, I lean more towards punctuation being outside quotation marks (which I believe is more common in the UK). EDIT: I hate myself, and I blame this thread. I prefer my role now, where syntax deals primarily with curly braces or no curly braces. Edited January 28, 2012 by PhoenixAshen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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