Barracudastr Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 We both know that the player has no say if he is being judged by Damage meters so he just not use them. Every argument for them is Straw Man...it is why Bioware is not acting on implementing even the combat log any time soon. If you want GS and meters you have your elitist based game for that...it's called WoW Not true at all they already announced meterics are coming.... so ya lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barracudastr Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 We both know that the player has no say if he is being judged by Damage meters so he just not use them. Every argument for them is Straw Man...it is why Bioware is not acting on implementing even the combat log any time soon. If you want GS and meters you have your elitist based game for that...it's called WoW And I like how you consider anyone that wants to see their performance as elitist.... ya okay im elitist because I like to know how much dps im putting out to make sure I am maxed.... And honestly in my short time in WoW i never ran into a single elitist that was kicking people for dps or anything else. I saw people saying LFM xxxx raid ilvl 390+ which is perfectly fine in my book ITS THEIR RAID so what you dont have the gearscore to join it why are people mad about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink_Saber Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) If you want GS and meters you have your elitist based game for that...it's called WoW This always cracks me up. WoW is so non-elitist it's not even funny. I swear most people have no idea what the word even means. And someone who calls you bad isn't elitist. He may be a jerk, but he's not elitist. In any case, WoW isn't hard enough to have elitists. This game, frankly, really isn't either. Not that its a bad thing; I'm really enjoying this game, and I plan to be around a long time. But people who point at "elitism" as something that belongs in another game, when that other game doesn't even really have elitists, really needs a better argument. The definition of "elitist" is not "someone who hurt my feelings once." It's not "someone who is better than I am." It's not "someone who plays competitively." It's not "someone who only wants to play with high-performing players." It's none of those things. Seriously, before you start flinging the word around, at least take a second to learn what it means. Edited January 27, 2012 by Pink_Saber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daovin Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 We both know that the player has no say if he is being judged by Damage meters so he just not use them. Every argument for them is Straw Man...it is why Bioware is not acting on implementing even the combat log any time soon. If you want GS and meters you have your elitist based game for that...it's called WoW Lies, they're needed for nightmare mode bosses to see who's slacking on hard enrages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phunkmonkee Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 to clarify to those who seem to have misunderstood: I would rather not see these in game. There are reasonable arguments to the contrary, but it would seem (in my opinion) they would be best suited to guilds intently focused on progression through very difficult content. Adjusting playstyle and strategies is my prefered method of play, and I'd like to think many non-elitist content bulldozers would agree. It is entirely possible (and sometimes much more fun) to run Heroic areas and FlashPoints (at least all I've seen so far) with less than ideal conditions. I find it boring to go in with a group of supermen and methodicly demolish mobs through an optimized path. Shocking as it may sound, many people play the game for fun and would rather not stress or be belittled about their gear or lack of. Keep in mind this is a half formed idea, and I would love to hear logical if not constructive comments for or against. Every argument for them is Straw Man...it is why Bioware is not acting on implementing even the combat log any time soon. If you want GS and meters you have your elitist based game for that...it's called WoW ^^^also this ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barathos Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Another "I hate dmg meter / GS!" thread, that's cool... Anyways! Damage meters, imo, are needed to figure out if spec X is better then spec Y. Looking at my talents is one way to go, but I'd want to know PRECISELY if it's better or not. Gear score is coming, they already have armor rating so it's only a matter of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jett-Rinn Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Not true at all they already announced meterics are coming.... so ya lol. They keep saying it..... look around where are your meters? Not on the PTR not anywhere Next month I'll ask the same thing so yeah lol Edited January 27, 2012 by Jett-Rinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedricshots Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 And that doesn't change the fact that there's more good geared good players than bad geared good players. You have no actual date to make that determination only assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barracudastr Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 They keep saying it..... look around where are your meters? Not on the PTR not anywhere Next month I'll ask the same thing so yeah lol Probably around march with the next big update or shortly after but they are coming regardless. And it is a needed addition because there are dps hard enrages in this game and not having a meter to see where you can improve dps is a missing feature imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedricshots Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 This isn't really true. The Logic was, if you had a certain level of gear you most likely saw and defeated some of the content previously, and thus were more desirable then someone without that level of gear. You couldn't just RNG your way into amazing gear without having seen some of the content first. Some people who had poor RNG, but if you had achievements more often then not people were willing to take you unless you were woefully under-geared. How do you account for players being carried then? And honestly lets be real, how hard is it to know a pve encounter? PVE people want to inflate their "skill" but its a a scripted event give me a break. Event: A Action: Move to Location B Spam rotation Wash rinse repeat. Even a monkey could do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buur Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 There are no valid arguments against having damage meters. "I'm scared to get judged" doesn't count and neither do hypothetical situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nhaok Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Damage meters are a WAY more useful tool for yourself than the are for calling people "bad". Don't talk against addons just because some people don't like the way other people use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karraway Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 The day this game gets gearscore and the other things that turned wow into more of a hassle and job than fun is the day I quit and move on to the next mmo to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buur Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 The day this game gets gearscore and the other things that turned wow into more of a hassle and job than fun is the day I quit and move on to the next mmo to be honest. You don't have to use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronamo Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 You have no actual date to make that determination only assumption. Why would a good player not bother to improve their gear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karraway Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 It's not about using them its about how it turns a portion of the community into complete ****s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buur Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 It's not about using them its about how it turns a portion of the community into complete ****s Those people are already that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeleena Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Damage Meters are not needed in a game that is as easy as SWTOR is. There is no care to be World First, because none of the content is challenging. A PuG can beat nightmare mode on the first day, and tha tis fine, becuase this game is about the story, not the end-game. If people want to race the Koreans to be the first to kill something, then by all means leave this game and play that other game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anelitt Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Damage Meters are not needed in a game that is as easy as SWTOR is. There is no care to be World First, because none of the content is challenging. A PuG can beat nightmare mode on the first day, and tha tis fine, becuase this game is about the story, not the end-game. If people want to race the Koreans to be the first to kill something, then by all means leave this game and play that other game. "I am a pretty bad player and cannot pull my weight, thus me and the other bottomfeeders are happy our badness is not at display and we can get dragged along with other people that wonder why they wipe to enrages" thats the only argument i read here:D Edited January 27, 2012 by Anelitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanshan Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I like DPS meters are gear checks. It saves me time, DPS meters, saves alot of time and lets dps get better easier. Gear checks? Saves guilds and pugs alot of time when guilds recruit for raids they want geared people, so if they can look at a number rather then look over all the gear, it saves time. Not much but it helps. These features only add to the game not take away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedricshots Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Why would a good player not bother to improve their gear? Because they may have a life outside the game? I know its hard to imagine going to work, paying bills, raising children. Also some people play the game because its just fun. You take away that aspect when you turn it into a huge competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwamper Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Totally agree with the OP. Play for fun. Damage meters, threat meters, gear checks are very much not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarna Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 PVE is difficult. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vankris Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Damage Meters are not needed in a game that is as easy as SWTOR is. There is no care to be World First, because none of the content is challenging. A PuG can beat nightmare mode on the first day, and tha tis fine, becuase this game is about the story, not the end-game. If people want to race the Koreans to be the first to kill something, then by all means leave this game and play that other game. That may be so but... But if swtor does not put out really challenging content, to give incentive for progression to player, it can't survive much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buur Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Because they may have a life outside the game? I know its hard to imagine going to work, paying bills, raising children. Also some people play the game because its just fun. You take away that aspect when you turn it into a huge competition. You can still play it as a social game even if they have damage meters. No one forces you to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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