SoulstitchMMO Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 the 30% debuff is too much, still. When DPS > HPS dps can mindlessly spam attacks to win. This is not fair, balanced, or meaningful pvp. Since bioware in it's infinite pvp ignorance decided to have a bolster system for pvp this is a problem from level 10 to 50. If hps = dps, then the difference in a 1v1 situation is utility. In swtor, the difference is just more dps. In a 2v2 dps/dps vs. dps/healer situation the dps can focus down 1 person and ignore the other. In a 2v2 dps/dps then they need to use various utility to fight each other. Mindless dps, is bad for pvp. Fix this Bioware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oawa Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Things change once you get to the 30's, I assure you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulstitchMMO Posted December 15, 2011 Author Share Posted December 15, 2011 Things change once you get to the 30's, I assure you. Oh so healers are supposed to just... suck it up for 20 levels? That seems good to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oawa Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) Oh so healers are supposed to just... suck it up for 20 levels? That seems good to you? I had no problems with it. Are you an Operative healer? Small price to pay for being probably the best pvp healer at end game. Edited December 15, 2011 by Oawa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan_ss Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I beleive tht hps should not be less than dps by a great margin, but it should be slightly less than dps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dystopic Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Oh so healers are supposed to just... suck it up for 20 levels? That seems good to you? Get over it. Do you also expect to automatically get all skills and talent points upon entry as well? Eventually when populations balance out bioware will probably remove bolstering. Until then, you'll have to live with it. For 20 levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reofjsof Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Oh so healers are supposed to just... suck it up for 20 levels? That seems good to you? yes if you think they can balance PvP at every level, you're incredibly naive 1-49 PvP balance does not matter in the slightest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulstitchMMO Posted December 15, 2011 Author Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) yes if you think they can balance PvP at every level, you're incredibly naive 1-49 PvP balance does not matter in the slightest actually when those 10-49 are going to be competeing against level 50... it might. Edited December 15, 2011 by SoulstitchMMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riulassher Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Healers have to be balanced with tank guard/taunt abilities and other defensive abilities taken in consideration. Every single cheap taunt will reduce DPS of a DPS class by 30%, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reofjsof Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) actually when those 10-49 are going to be competeing against level 50... it might. I'm pretty sure that the horrible bolstering system will eventually fade away as more people hit 50 if I get matched against lower levels when I'm 50, I'll be extremely disappointed with the game Edited December 15, 2011 by reofjsof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulstitchMMO Posted December 15, 2011 Author Share Posted December 15, 2011 I'm pretty sure that the horrible bolstering system will eventually fade away as more people hit 50 if I get matched against lower levels when I'm 50, I'll be extremely disappointed with the game Bioware has given no indication that the bolstering system is temporary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwatz Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Oh so healers are supposed to just... suck it up for 20 levels? That seems good to you? Low level pvp is pretty much never important (in terms of razor close balance) to any mmo. I haven't had the luxury of pvping yet, but weaker healers make me happy. The most boring thing in the world is wow style pvp (endless healfests with noone dieing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reofjsof Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Bioware has given no indication that the bolstering system is temporary. my understanding is that you're matched by PvP standing, which is going to mean that level 50s generally go against level 50s (when there are enough of them) if this isn't the case, the system is horribly broken and will never work. Bolstering can't fill the gap caused by abilities and skill points, so the team with more low levels will always be at a serious disadvantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eraste Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Healing is bad and ruins PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezit Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Oh so healers are supposed to just... suck it up for 20 levels? That seems good to you? They're supposed to go through and balance out pvp from level 1-50? No thanks. I rather them focus on balancing level 50 pvp and leave everything else how it is. Doing warzones while leveling is fun, but it's not worth them paying any less amount of attention to end game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirolos Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 actually when those 10-49 are going to be competeing against level 50... it might. Actually, it doesnt, when a class comes into its own at endgame. Lets all try getting to that point first . Bolster might be a temporary thing, no one knows, but wishing that the game would balance itself out in low levels, the low levels where you dont have all your talents, the low levels where you dont have all your skills or powers, the low levels that have little to no good pvp gear.. Is a little silly... 50 first..then we can all cry doom k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syluhx Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 lol the game hasnt even fully been released and this is going on.... pfffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NivaSparkles Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I'm pretty sure that the horrible bolstering system will eventually fade away as more people hit 50 if I get matched against lower levels when I'm 50, I'll be extremely disappointed with the game lol and imagine if you can get a l50 premade regularly. You just have to show up and you win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandrii Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 i'm pretty sure that the horrible bolstering system will eventually fade away as more people hit 50 if i get matched against lower levels when i'm 50, i'll be extremely disappointed with the game qft^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cythis Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Theres no penalty in world PvP. Honestly besides alderan are the other two warzones considered PvP or jump and click matches? Idk.. Have assisted winning a couple matches already doing zero dps. Its fun dont get me wrong but has not felt very PvPish to me, unless the idea of PvP turned into avoiding confrontation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaoogaa Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Oh so healers are supposed to just... suck it up for 20 levels? That seems good to you? The tanks have to also. Because DPS is bolstered they do not get to much stronger as time goes on. Healers and Tanks both get much stronger....there is a reason for the heal debuff and when you are 50 and guarded and geared the DPS will be here crying. ZOMG nerf heals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evuke Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 just another reason why there is no point rolling a healer in swtor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackus Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 You were bad in Rift and youre bad in this game. This isnt the game of lets heal each other to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyotecalls Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Yes, I agree, HPS should be the same as DPS, then all healers would die in all boss fights from the massive amount of AOE agro the tanks couldn't possibly hold. I think the OP should be the first to experience this BRILLIANT plan in action! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lolvodka Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 As a healer you shouldn't be completely worried about how massive your healing is. If you cannot CC or work with your team properly, then your heals will always mean nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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