says the OP 3 button class... lol that class and skill are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

110% comp? did you even play wow? honestly STF U you don't know what you're talking about if you think comp means everything in arena. i want arena because its more competitive than 8v8 idc what it takes for them to implement it. All i know is if they don't put in arena they can kiss my sub goodbye.

what lvl are you? whats your valor lvl? that would tell us a lot.

anybody else have thoughts on the subject?

I have to agree, and you're coming from a perspective that i hadn't even considered before.

it seems that most of you think that ravage is really good and i have to disagree, anybody with half a brain cell would know to interrupt ravage at start meaning theres 3.5-5k that isn't happening. ravage is a bad move and extremely easily inturrupted i don't mean to say your bad but you probably just haven't played enough to realize how unreliable this ability is. Every battlemaster i know has dropped this ability from his rotation and uses it when either rage starving or when he knows the target is stunned.

i'd like to make a point that carnage burst really isn't that great, rage spec has better burst than we do yet we're supposed to be the burst spec. when it comes to burst im going to disregard the 15% damage ability and only consider zen and trinket. If you gore then trinket, zen, and massacre spam its still not very good because this is extremely easy to interrupt! you do that, if you get cc'd once or the person runs away now you have to use at least 2 gcds trying to get back on that person by that time our gore buff has run out and our burst is half assed at best.

well nobody has put up an arguement yet lol. When it comes to dps it can't keep up with watchman dps, it sure as hell can't keep up with focus, and it can't keep up with the dps specs of other classes so due tell why this spec doesn't need a buff.

I think carnage tree needs a buff i have played carnage since level 10 and im now a level 50 and am lvl 61 in valor and i still think we need a buff. i play with my annihilation buddy and he consistently out dps's me. When compared to other classes like BH's and sorcs we can't compare to their damage output, we just can't. Like others have said you can be very good and bust your *** trying to be the best but even at the end of the match you will be in the middle of the road when it comes to dps and will truely be the unsung hero. I have all champ gear with 1 piece of BM and im far from being a "noob." i know my class very well but even doing all that i can, its still next to impossible to dps like other classes with similar gear. i don't think we need a huge buff but a buff is necessary maybe add some damage to massacre or something.

I think combat tree needs a buff i have played combat since level 10 and im now a level 50 and am lvl 61 in valor and i still think we need a buff. i play with my watchman buddy and he consistently out dps's me. When compared to other classes like BH's and sorcs we can't compare to their damage output, we just can't. Like others have said you can be very good and bust your *** trying to be the best but even at the end of the match you will be in the middle of the road when it comes to dps and will truely be the unsung hero. I have all champ gear with 1 piece of BM and im far from being a "noob." i know my class very well but even doing all that i can, its still next to impossible to dps like other classes with similar gear. i don't think we need a huge buff but a buff is necessary maybe add some damage to blade rush or something. EDIT: i'd like to add that by no means am i dissapointed with my sentinel, i love playing sentinel and relish the challenge buts its not fair that even though i've put in a **** ton of time, i still can't dps like some other classes.

which is why there are gaming laptops... you know, laptops that ARE meant to be gamed on.

QFT 5char

then show me it. this is just your word against mine unless you can bring evidence that ppl were actually making that much valor. i did say i wanted proof... actually i think it was the title of the thread... so go find me proof or stop posting.

then please show me a video of this happening! i want to see somebody who was lvl 50 and 2 hours later lvl 60! like i said before its no doubt the factions are unbalanced but show me this big *** valor gain everybody is ************ about! i like i said before i am repub so i am the minority but im not in favor of a roll back.

i would like it but i don't think it will come anytime soon.

this^ show me the valor gain

lets say they do take out the pvp stat. what is there to prevent pveers using our gear in raids because its much better? when the raid gear is much better then top level pvp gear waht is to keep pveers from not ruling the WZs?

oh really then how many valor levels did you gain and what lvl to what lvl was it? i'd be interested to know.

i'll be honest that didn't show me very much. it showed him sitting in the back having valor come in for 1:30 but they supposedly had DRs so after a while you killing the same person wouldn't have given nearly as much valor as it would have the first time. im talking about levels i want to see a video of a person who was 50 and 2 hours later 60 that is what people are worried about not a ton of valor in the first 10 mins and next to nothing for the rest of the time.

i didn't say it didn't happen, the "flash mob" was due to the new ilum quests to kill repubs not because of extreme valor. im saying a roll back isn't necessary because nobody got that much valor! this proved there are massive population imbalances on the servers that is all that was shown. Unfortunately a ton of people said they were getting massive valor out of farming people which was also a complete hoax and now everybody is riled up over nothing.

thank you for posting and i know this im just hoping this thread is seen a bit more throughout the pvp forums so people will settle down

bump i still want some proof.

if you're a fresh 50 you probably shouldn't be queueing for rated WZs in the first place.

I hear people crying about massive valor gains and what not all over the pvp forums yet when somebody makes a thread asking for proof none is given. It has been confirmed that the turrets give no valor and never did, it was all just a hoax. People base camping have said that they got some valor but not really that much, most i have heard from one post was they got from lvl 55 to 56. That is hardly game changing and isn't worth a roll back. I got 15k valor yesterday from just doing WZs for a couple of hours and in case your wondering i am republic and i am the minority on my server. This is just a rumor based QQ fest until somebody can show valid evidence. So what gives? show proof that people were getting uber valor to the point that it is game changing or quit complaining. EDIT: if you notice nobody has posted proof yet and in case your wondering that is because most of the things you heard were either blown out of proportion or didn't happen in the first place. Seriously stop believing the hype its all rumor no fact.

loving them, you're just butthurt because you keep getting ***** by people better than you. whats wrong sad that you can't beat up on lvl 10s anymore?