Superawesomerman Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Not really, IMHO. The voice acting and dialogue in this game are so bland. You know what made Mass Effect 2 so enjoyable? Your companions actually had personalities and showed them. Garrus: "Do you ever miss those talks we had on the elevators?" Tali: "No." Garrus: "Remember how'd we'd always ask you about life on the Flotilla?" Tali: "This conversation is over." Garrus: "Tell me again about your immune system." Tali: "I have a shotgun." Garrus: "...we'll talk later." The dialogue in swtor is completely lacking in character, and, more importantly, humor. There are sites devoted to ME dialogue. I can remember a single chuckleworthy comment by Kira during 35 levels of the Jedi Knight storyline before i began thumbing through the dialogue and mashing 3. My relationship with kira was so lukewarm that i started wishing i were female, because at least Doc is more useful. If they had made the same 4 companions for all 4 classes and gave them great personalities instead of making 16 non-entities, the replay value of the game would have been much higher. Hell, i played ME2 2-3 times just to hear more of the dialogue. There is just zero attachment to any of the characters, even my own. As a knight i have a [/sarcasm] wildly diverse and witty crew [/sarcasm] consisting of a beeping tin can, Kira, a womanizing doctor who never hits on anyone, and a supposedly invincible ex-sith something or other who folds faster than a newspaper. I would trade all of them for a single Deekin, Garrus, or Bastila. Hell, i'd trade them all for a Jar Jar Binks. At least i hate Jar Jar. I could send him in and gleefully watch him perish to packs of mobs, maybe hear a squealing death cry while i sprint away laughing. Same goes for the other npcs. Could not give a single crusty fart about any of them. A little green yoda guy gave his life for me during a flashpoint where i apparently saved Revan from eternal punishment. Not a single memorable fight in the lot except the one guy who shoots lasers from his eyes (that was actually a fun fight, reminded me of a James Bond villain). The story itself is good. Not spectacular or surprising, but good. I may wiki the other plotlines later, see how they fit into the lore. Multiplayer sucks. The engine cant handle it. There is no economy, no crafting set up to support one, nor a currency valuable enough to encourage one. I chuckle at gold (sorry, credit) sellers, as there is no reason to buy credits. PVP is a huge joke, 10-49 warzones are currently way more fun than in the 50s. Ilum is a travesty. Ops should be called Oops (from what i have read). The gearing progression is baffling and counterintuitive, both in pve and pvp. People are paying 15 dollars a month to play 8 different short stories with 90% overlap. They should feel ripped off, I know i do. Not going to unsub until my friends do, but i really thought the single player would be better from Bioware. PS. The alien languages gave me Starfox flashbacks. BUBABLUBLEEEEOOO: go activate 4 panels for me, and then do a barrel roll to deflect enemy fire! bidibidipit!: oh no, x are infesting my _____! go kill y of them! also, approaching enemies, Fox! ... i just realized that Starfox had better dialogue, and they didnt even speak. Edited January 21, 2012 by Superawesomerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solistus Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Ops should be called Oops (from what i have read). I was gonna point out that you never actually specified what was wrong with any of the things you said were terrible in this game, but when you got to the point where you were dismissing entire types of content while admitting that you haven't even tried it once, I decided it would be a waste of time. Back to playing TOR. You obviously decided to hate the game before you even played most of it, and have no interest in giving it a fair chance, so why are you wasting your time posting about it here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superawesomerman Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 I was gonna point out that you never actually specified what was wrong with any of the things you said were terrible in this game, but when you got to the point where you were dismissing entire types of content while admitting that you haven't even tried it once, I decided it would be a waste of time. Back to playing TOR. You obviously decided to hate the game before you even played most of it, and have no interest in giving it a fair chance, so why are you wasting your time posting about it here? this post was an opinion about the relative quality of the single player experience compared to previous Bioware offerings, notably ME2, specifically in terms of character quality. note how only a very small paragraph is dedicated to multiplayer? Levelled to 50 once, did all the sub-50 flashpoints, some hm flashpoints, spent a good amount of time in pvp (valor 34ish), i can say say i have done a fair amount of the content, single player or otherwise. i could just as easily say you are blinded by bioware fanboy-ism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubernetic Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 The combination of single player experience plus the ability to group with other players is a perfect balance, IMHO. For most options, I want to run missions on my own. I want to have conversations on my own. I didn't come here to play everyone else's conversations. If I pick a conversational tree, I expect to see what I selected, except in situations where I've agreed to group with others. I also don't want to be prevented from playing the game when I can't find anyone to group with. I want to play when I want to play, and unnecessary game blockages are not what I came here for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediKabuto Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 So far only the Droid you obtain with your ship has made me chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anelitt Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 This is ofc. subjective bot no the singleplayer part is beyond bad imo. Doing kill xxx and rightclick xxx Is far overdone in this game when questing, even for an mmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshalleck Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Mass Effect 2 was enjoyable? Since when? All I can remember is Garrus going on about calibrations, Miranda's butt talking to me with a disembodied out-of-frame voice and then 3-4 throwaway conversations with all the rest. Too many companions and too shallow dialogue. Edited January 21, 2012 by marshalleck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironleg Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Level 50. I liked it. I really enjoyed my class story quests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicalPremise Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 The dialogue in swtor is completely lacking in character, and, more importantly, humor. There are sites devoted to ME dialogue. I can remember a single chuckleworthy comment by Kira during 35 levels of the Jedi Knight storyline before i began thumbing through the dialogue and mashing 3. My relationship with kira was so lukewarm that i started wishing i were female, because at least Doc is more useful. Sorry you feel that way. All I can say is I've had many "burst out laughing" or thoughtful moments with the companions. Not everyone likes the same thing. But to answer the core of what you are saying, some people are going to like it more than others. Does ME have a "better" or "more gripping" story than SWTOR? Probably, to some. But then again, it's crafted entirely around that single player experience. If it didn't, that would be ridiculous. That's not to say you are without merit. Some of the companions ARE flat. Some you get so late that you have no real reason to invest in them. Others , like Talos , are definitely an acquired taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoggyMack Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 You're a Jedi Knight. And you're talking like you've experienced "all" of the other companions. It's kind of odd. I like Tanno Vik. What's your problem with Vik? Or 4X? 4X has made me chuckle dozens of times. Also I think you under-value T7, but whatever. I really want to know how much experience you have with Jorgan, Dorne, 4X and Vik that you can make judgements on their personalities like you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FtenEQ Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Uhmmm, I just went through the "Vision Quest" last night on Voss and I am absolutely blown away with the storyline. It's f'n amazing. The JK story is actually pretty damn awesome if you pay attention and get invested in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicalPremise Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Also I think you under-value T7, but whatever. T7 makes me crack UP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoggyMack Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 T7 makes me crack UP. Me too. The only reason I started a Jedi was for a lightsaber. The only reason I'm still playing a Jedi is T7. He's hilarious. But I haven't even gotten to chapter 2 yet with my Jedi alt, so I'll defer to the OP on jedi companions. I still want to know how the OP can make all those claims for the other companions though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acheros Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I want someone to sing a star wars version of "I'm a modern major general" For those who don't get it, watch then watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerandar Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 T7 is the only good companion in this game. every class should just get 5 of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamemory Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 not for $15 a month. the limitations of the MMO genre wrecked KOTOR 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bludwork Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Someo people don't like bacon. bacon! but hey not everyone rolls that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfideau Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Not really, IMHO. The voice acting and dialogue in this game are so bland. You know what made Mass Effect 2 so enjoyable? Your companions actually had personalities and showed them. Garrus: "Do you ever miss those talks we had on the elevators?" Tali: "No." Garrus: "Remember how'd we'd always ask you about life on the Flotilla?" Tali: "This conversation is over." Garrus: "Tell me again about your immune system." Tali: "I have a shotgun." Garrus: "...we'll talk later." The dialogue in swtor is completely lacking in character, and, more importantly, humor. There are sites devoted to ME dialogue. I can remember a single chuckleworthy comment by Kira during 35 levels of the Jedi Knight storyline before i began thumbing through the dialogue and mashing 3. My relationship with kira was so lukewarm that i started wishing i were female, because at least Doc is more useful. If they had made the same 4 companions for all 4 classes and gave them great personalities instead of making 16 non-entities, the replay value of the game would have been much higher. Hell, i played ME2 2-3 times just to hear more of the dialogue. There is just zero attachment to any of the characters, even my own. As a knight i have a [/sarcasm] wildly diverse and witty crew [/sarcasm] consisting of a beeping tin can, Kira, a womanizing doctor who never hits on anyone, and a supposedly invincible ex-sith something or other who folds faster than a newspaper. I would trade all of them for a single Deekin, Garrus, or Bastila. Hell, i'd trade them all for a Jar Jar Binks. At least i hate Jar Jar. I could send him in and gleefully watch him perish to packs of mobs, maybe hear a squealing death cry while i sprint away laughing. Same goes for the other npcs. Could not give a single crusty fart about any of them. A little green yoda guy gave his life for me during a flashpoint where i apparently saved Revan from eternal punishment. Not a single memorable fight in the lot except the one guy who shoots lasers from his eyes (that was actually a fun fight, reminded me of a James Bond villain). The story itself is good. Not spectacular or surprising, but good. I may wiki the other plotlines later, see how they fit into the lore. Multiplayer sucks. The engine cant handle it. There is no economy, no crafting set up to support one, nor a currency valuable enough to encourage one. I chuckle at gold (sorry, credit) sellers, as there is no reason to buy credits. PVP is a huge joke, 10-49 warzones are currently way more fun than in the 50s. Ilum is a travesty. Ops should be called Oops (from what i have read). The gearing progression is baffling and counterintuitive, both in pve and pvp. People are paying 15 dollars a month to play 8 different short stories with 90% overlap. They should feel ripped off, I know i do. Not going to unsub until my friends do, but i really thought the single player would be better from Bioware. PS. The alien languages gave me Starfox flashbacks. BUBABLUBLEEEEOOO: go activate 4 panels for me, and then do a barrel roll to deflect enemy fire! bidibidipit!: oh no, x are infesting my _____! go kill y of them! also, approaching enemies, Fox! ... i just realized that Starfox had better dialogue, and they didnt even speak. Umm not to knock it becasue its a fantastic game but if you have played Skyrim then this post really doesn't have merit. Skyrim has a dozen voice actors that do the voices for every NPC in the game and TOR has what 400. When ever I play skyrim during sever downtime I can't help but laugh and think to myself (wasn't this shop keeper the Jarl in whiterun) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaeTakbae Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Yeah I know what you mean for the Sith Marauder the only interesting character is Vette. Quinn is... gey. Jeasa Williams is emo and an over exaggeration of the Sith sterotype (Disappointing because the character concept was so good). Pierce is shallow. Broonmark is... Broonmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superawesomerman Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 Maybe I just picked the wrong classes then. The story is good; imnot knocking the story. The musicis great too. But the jk comps are just blah. Wtb hk47 as my steward droid. What classes have good companions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superawesomerman Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 Lol @ moridin singing, I loved that part. Yeah, the plot of me2 was a little weak, but the characters were great, and funny as hell. also, why can't more droids be like legion? they managed to have instill legion with both gravity and levity while keeping him in character. the most star warsy moment ive found is when you get your lightsaber on tython. The music swells, you hold it aloft, it shines like the sun ... and then cream a boss with it. Everything after was sort of a letdown. They need a lightsaber taunt where you shave with it or pop popcorn with it or something. A few risque lightsaber jokes wouldnt have hurt either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superawesomerman Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 Umm not to knock it becasue its a fantastic game but if you have played Skyrim then this post really doesn't have merit. Skyrim has a dozen voice actors that do the voices for every NPC in the game and TOR has what 400. When ever I play skyrim during sever downtime I can't help but laugh and think to myself (wasn't this shop keeper the Jarl in whiterun) Its not about quantity, its about quality. The majority of swtors voice acting is completely irrelevant other than to keep the game uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrevan Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 It's better than any other MMO out there or about to come, and that's great enough for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loseriticus Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Not really, IMHO. The voice acting and dialogue in this game are so bland. You know what made Mass Effect 2 so enjoyable? Your companions actually had personalities and showed them. I have to agree as far as my Jedi Knight Male Guardian is concerned. I'm not a big fan of the voice acting for that, and his relationship with Kira is pretty emotionless, even though they've entered into a romantic relationship. My female Gunslinger's rapport with Corso is much better done. The single player experience is not as intensive as with a single player RPG like Mass Effect, but still, I'm enjoying it. In fact, that's the main reason why I bought SWTOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superawesomerman Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) It's better than any other MMO out there or about to come, and that's great enough for me fight it kira, he cant control you! Edited January 21, 2012 by Superawesomerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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