CiIantro Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I mean this game is built on one foundation. Immersion. Storyline. Dialogue. Choices. Yet if I choose to play a female character I have to live through people calling me "Sir" my entire career. I mean look there are a lot of flaws in the game that I see as forgiveable, but this one is so OBVIOUSLY broken that it makes a mockery of the system Bioware has put in place. I want to be addressed as a female if I play a female character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuraBob_Fl Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 It's a Star Wars universe thing. They got rid of ma'am. I don't particularly understand it, but that's what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindBullet Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 It is standard military protocol to address all officers, regardless of gender, as "Sir". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barathos Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 It is standard military protocol to address all officers, regardless of gender, as "Sir". ^ this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharik Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 how is this so OBVIOUSLY BROKEN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoojo Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 It is standard military protocol to address all officers, regardless of gender, as "Sir". But they clearly didn't know what they were doing. I have seen instances of Sgts saluting one another, and calling the other one sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imhotep Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I mean this game is built on one foundation. Immersion. Storyline. Dialogue. Choices. Yet if I choose to play a female character I have to live through people calling me "Sir" my entire career. I mean look there are a lot of flaws in the game that I see as forgiveable, but this one is so OBVIOUSLY broken that it makes a mockery of the system Bioware has put in place. I want to be addressed as a female if I play a female character. /facepalm The military is a foreign concept to you huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hahkil Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Whilst sir is the common term for both in SW, it is a bit of an annoyance coming from a real world common man's social perspective . Still, I can front-flip etc. as a guy with rolls of fat on his neck, so being called Sir doesn't really affect the immersion that much. ^.^ Edited January 21, 2012 by Hahkil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink_Saber Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Yet if I choose to play a female character I have to live through people calling me "Sir" my entire career. I mean look there are a lot of flaws in the game that I see as forgiveable, but this one is so OBVIOUSLY broken that it makes a mockery of the system Bioware has put in place. Your ignorance of both military protocol and Star Wars convention does not equal brokenness. You're going to have to find something else to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeblesTV Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 If you're a trooper you have nothing to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindBullet Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 But they clearly didn't know what they were doing. I have seen instances of Sgts saluting one another, and calling the other one sir. They are both officers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foulcault Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I believe the Sir in this case is more of a professional title then a gender title. Same thing with jedi's being called Master even if female. Previously everyone in military was called Sir when addressed to (hence the YES sir..ma'am..sir jokes). I believe starwars was also written during this time period. When the military updated the game world did not. I think BW is very aware of gender issues though if you look at thier titles like Flyboy/flygirl and such. The Master/sir system is just part of the old flare from the days of the first star wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelinCarnate Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 But they clearly didn't know what they were doing. I have seen instances of Sgts saluting one another, and calling the other one sir. And if it were a game based on earth, that may be an issue. What part of SW lore says doing that is incorrect in their galaxy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuraBob_Fl Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Just to throw this out there, but in the real world American military we call female officers "Ma'am." This is just a Star Wars thing, so stop dumping on the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuraBob_Fl Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 They are both officers. Sergeants are non-commissioned officers. You only salute commissioned officers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHeadCapper Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) I mean this game is built on one foundation. Immersion. Storyline. Dialogue. Choices. Yet if I choose to play a female character I have to live through people calling me "Sir" my entire career. I mean look there are a lot of flaws in the game that I see as forgiveable, but this one is so OBVIOUSLY broken that it makes a mockery of the system Bioware has put in place. I want to be addressed as a female if I play a female character. If you are a military character Sir is still a normal designation, of least normal for SCI FI STAR WARS. Edited January 21, 2012 by TheHeadCapper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemonjax Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 In the military, it's not uncommon to call a female officer "Sir" in some branches. Yes, Ma'am is more common. But, whatever. They did it to save money and time on voice acting, and it's really not as out of place as you may initially think. Hell, in some services NCOs are addressed as "Mister". I think that's pretty crazy, myself, as a former Marine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindBullet Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Sergeants are non-commissioned officers. You only salute commissioned officers. In space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuraBob_Fl Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 In the military, it's not uncommon to call a female officer "Sir" in some branches. Yes, Ma'am is more common. But, whatever. They did it to save money and time on voice acting, and it's really not as out of place as you may initially think. Hell, in some services NCOs are addressed as "Mister". I think that's pretty crazy, myself, as a former Marine. I'm a former Marine as well. I don't know of any branch our military that refers to female officers as "Sir." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HydroBuzzed Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I've been in the US military for 8 1/2 years and no female officer is ever called Sir. Maybe in other countries, but not in the US. As far as SW universe, I believe it's always been that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuraBob_Fl Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 In space? In America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManaaniWanderer Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Sergeants are non-commissioned officers. You only salute commissioned officers. According to the lore object on Old Mandrell-Sergeants are regular officers in the Republic Military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuraBob_Fl Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 According to the lore object on Old Mandrell-Sergeants are regular officers in the Republic Military. Fair enough. I've noticed that I don't really understand the weird Army-Navy ranks mashup the Imperial Military uses either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explosive_Lasers Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 'Sir' is the title given to knights in feudal times. Since women were not allowed to fight, there were no female knights to be called sir. Since Star Wars has general gender equality, there would be women who fought, and earned the name 'Sir', so the name would be gender-neutral, and would refer to a person that fought. In fact, I think women in the military in real life MIGHT be called 'Sir' about as often as 'Ma'am', but I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindBullet Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 In America. In space, everyone is a CO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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