Assassins suck

[Hyfy]

I don't bother trying to Maul a stunned target any more for this very reason, it just wastes time. I will only Maul when someone's actively running away from me, that seems to have less server sync issues.

 

With maul I have found that you don't have to be directly behind them. I have been able,consistently even, to use maul while only slightly offset from direct line of sight. If you get the chance bring Khem in and let him get aggro and see just how little you have to be off from directly in front of the mob to maul. You might be surprised.

[mercilessfire]

Now, I haven't made it to the 50 pvp yet. And I am sure it's a scary sight for any new 50, but Assassin's aren't broken... you're doing it wrong.

 

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/783/screenshot2012011823194.th.jpg

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/178/screenshot2012011822515.th.jpg

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9595/screenshot2012011822152.th.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/511/screenshot2012011821545.th.jpg

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/5715/screenshot2012011721524.th.jpg

 

So... while I am clearly not winning every time, I don't find it hard to stay alive, get medals, or kill other players...

 

Pictures way too small, just an fyi.

 

But if I can imagine what you are getting, with a decently balanced warzone (which I hope the 50 only bracket has done at least), at least 7-8 medals and a fairly high K/D ratio. We can leave all the damage to sorcerers and mercenaries, I'll take my high kill percentage and effectiveness (I usually lead WZs in medals).

[Logictech]

Pictures way too small, just an fyi.

 

But if I can imagine what you are getting, with a decently balanced warzone (which I hope the 50 only bracket has done at least), at least 7-8 medals and a fairly high K/D ratio. We can leave all the damage to sorcerers and mercenaries, I'll take my high kill percentage and effectiveness (I usually lead WZs in medals).

 

Thanks for letting me know, here's the full-size links... should have checked them properly...

 

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/783/screenshot2012011823194.jpg

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/178/screenshot2012011822515.jpg

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9595/screenshot2012011822152.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/511/screenshot2012011821545.jpg

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5656/screenshot2012011821215.jpg

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/5715/screenshot2012011721524.jpg

 

Also, you're right. I am getting into fairly balanced warzones, and getting reasonable K/D ratio. I am level 17 (16 in a few screenshots but meh) and still doing just fine against all players in the 10-49 bracked. While I would like to compare a lvl 10 vs a lvl 49 to a 50 in champion to a 50 in battlemaster I don't have the experience to do so, but they can't be too far off. The major difference would likely come from experience pvping, and having a premade with a VOIP server up to coordinate properly.

[Bpotux]

Some tips, most probably already do this but here they are anyway:

 

Trinket + Reck + Force lightning followed by Discharge = ~10k damage, mileage may vary based on gear

 

Low Slash is a great interrupt / incap that gives no resolve, combine with Spike and overload and Electrocute and jolt to shutdown all non-instant casts.

 

Vanish then Spike if you really need that one more interrupt.

 

Don't ever think of Maul as you're #1 source of damage.

 

Remember to use shrowd when you see a caster / tech lining up a long cast on you.

 

Deflection helps A lot vs most classes, combine with shrowd for near invulnerability for the duration.

 

Aoe taunt in pvp for ez extra medals.

[MattMarino]

Games with over 400k DMG:

http://imageshack.us/f/703/screenshot2012010816475.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/811/screenshot2012011114584.jpg/

 

Games with 13+ Medals:

http://imageshack.us/f/861/screenshot2012011321460.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/840/screenshot2012011322332.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/707/screenshot2012011401071.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/f/151/screenshot2012011401312.jpg/

 

I am convinced all classes have the potential to do well, all the complainers are just people who don't play the game as well. Stop keyboard turning and clicking your abilities. Adapt or forever be a care-bear.

[MattMarino]

 

Aoe taunt in pvp for ez extra medals.

 

I am not aware of this, could you explain further?

[Omite]

The Assassin is weak IMO but I still have fun playing mine so I'll keep doing so.

[Omite]

I am not aware of this, could you explain further?

 

It reduces damage to your group mates and counts towards your protection score.

[MattMarino]

It reduces damage to your group mates and counts towards your protection score.

 

Oh, I only thought the guard ability did this...So I guess I won't have to stance dance to get my 3 medals now..cool

[ousooner]

A thing about shielding and armor in SWTOR that might help people in pvp, reposted from Taugrims blog.

 

 

 

The 2-Roll System

 

SWTOR leverages a 2-roll system for determining the outcome of an opponent’s attack as explained by BioWare’s Georg Zoeller (references: 1 2), bold emphasis mine:

 

First is a hit roll, accuracy versus defense, and if the attacker misses then no damage occurs. If the attacker rolled poorly enough to miss even discounting the target’s defense then a “Miss” result occurs. If he misses because of the defense then the result varies based on the attack type, the cover state of the target, and the target’s equipped weapons. All the possible results – Dodge, Parry, Deflect, Resist, Cover – are mathematically the same, but they can trigger different effects and are visualized in different ways.

 

If the attacker hits, then a second roll is made with the crit chance of the attacker versus the shield chance of the target. If a Crit or a Shield occurs then the damage is adjusted up or down (based on Surge/Absorb), and then it goes through to the armor and damage resistance. A critical can never be shielded, and an attacker with a high enough crit chance can push the target’s shield chance off the table. It shouldn’t be possible to get your passive crit chance high enough to start pushing off the target’s shield chance, but there are short-duration buffs that push these chances high enough to come into conflict.

 

 

 

 

Avoidance and Shielding

 

The important thing to understand are which types of attacks are Avoidable and Shieldable and which are not.

 

There are 4 attack types: Force, Melee, Ranged, and Tech.

 

The attack types are separate from the 4 damage types: Elemental, Energy, Internal, and Kinetic.

 

Melee and Ranged attacks are Avoidable and Shieldable, whereas Force and Tech attacks are not. This is consistent with other games such as WoW and RIFT, where “spell” attacks are not dodgeable / parryable and not blockable.

Implications for Tanks in PVP

 

A critical consideration for SWTOR is that all classes have either Force or Tech attacks. You can see the attack type by looking at the Abilities tab for a given character and looking at the right-hand column. Therefore, an implication is that you may not get as much mileage out of your Avoidance and Shield-related talents as you might expect. E.g.

 

Stun-based abilities across all Advanced Classes are classified as either Force or Tech attacks, so the target’s defensive capability doesn’t come into play

I play Bounty Hunter and Trooper and most of my key abilities are classified as Tech

 

Keep in mind per Georg’s post that the attacker’s Crit Chance can push Shield Chance off the table. There are a lot of buffs (e.g. talent-based, from Relic, etc) that boost Crit Chance, and the implication is that when you most need to Shield heavy incoming damage, your Shield Chance may be reduced significantly or completely.

 

Another implication is that the talents for boosting mitigation may be stronger than we might have expected. In particular, this explains why in my experience Guardians and Juggernauts tanks take the longest time-to-kill: they have multiple bubble mechanics in their tank tree, including Invincible (Warding Call) and Sonic Barrier (Blade Barrier), and these excellent abilities provide mitigation against all damage types.

Edited January 19, 2012 by ousooner

[Stranded_Law]

It's pretty clear that pvp is an afterthought for Bioware.

[Saberolson]

Is the ship droid worth it? I am on Alderaan and trying to kill the Jedi Commander dude and I'm almost 2 levels above him & he's wiping the floor with me in less than 90 seconds (I know this because I can only use one stim) even with the companion buff up.

 

This says a lot about the reason why people are sucking so bad.....really??

 

I'm not the elitest type, I really am not, but im going to sound like one here. I havent died to a single class quest yet. Break out khem val, maul only when you get a proc, shock when induction is at 2 stacks, discharge when its up(dont wait for 5 stacks), pop recklesness and force lightning when its available. Its not rocket science! Or swicth to darkness and shock and thrash your way to three stacks of harnessed shadows and unleash the wrath of god with force lightning.

 

If people can't beat the class quests, how the **** are they going to compete in PVP.

 

Someone said earlier that there are just a ton of people who picked this class cause it was called assassin, but didnt bother at all to read how it actually played...you hit the nail on the head my friend. (plus they are prob clickers too)

 

At lvl 30, i was mopping the floor with 50s in warzones as deception, i switched to darkness around lvl 37 when i could get harnessed shadows. I became a god at that point. And I never went back. I morphed from shaman to pally. We arent rogues. We are shaman/pallies or a kinda shaman/shadow priest hybrid if you go madness. Just because we have stealth and 1 attack from behind does not mean we are the burst class. Stealth is for positioning yourself since we dont have a closer. Our bs is meant to be used when the proc is up, thats it! And we are amzaing tanks, I dont care what anyone says, in PVP and out.

 

Do we need a little help, sure. They just broke overcharge saber for darkness Ifor example, and there are a few things here and there that need work, but we are a perfectly competant class if you play the class for what it is.

 

Yes, I hate sorcs. They suck. They sit on top of some structure and rain down hell on my my head. They top the charts, exc. Yes, BH are one button wonders. But, that doesnt mean that my class sucks. The only thing that sucks about my class, is there are a bunch of idiots running around giving me a bad name. Rather than try to force what you think this class should be, why not try to learn what i actually is about and start kicking some ***! OR at least make some kind of constructive critiques to help bioware make us better.

 

rant over

Seriously though, I may not be number one in the PVP matches, but im up there, I dont die much, and I contribute a BUNCH to the team.

Edited January 19, 2012 by Saberolson

[punman]

If people can't beat the class quests, how the **** are they going to compete in PVP.

 

Someone said earlier that there are just a ton of people who picked this class cause it was called assassin, but didnt bother at all to read how it actually played...you hit the nail on the head my friend. (plus they are prob clickers too)

 

 

That's a problem with the game in general, though. There were people in General chat on Ilum last night, level 50's mind you, who were asking how to get somewhere (before the speeder Union went on strike.) Um, really? You leveled 50 levels without learning how to use the awesome and wonderful game map?

 

Deception is the "easiest" of our specs to play and it's pretty challenging to line everything up right. You can't just go down the line and use one ability after the other, rinse and repeat.

 

Madness and Darkness can both be pretty tough, Madness especially because it's very proc dependent (Raze, Exploit Weakness.) Darkness just has a lot of utility and you need to pick your spots for each properly.

 

If people think the class sucks, maybe they should reconsider whether it's the class or the player.

[XxCRAFTYxX]

This says a lot about the reason why people are sucking so bad.....really??

 

I'm not the elitest type, I really am not, but im going to sound like one here. I havent died to a single class quest yet. Break out khem val, maul only when you get a proc, shock when induction is at 2 stacks, discharge when its up(dont wait for 5 stacks), pop recklesness and force lightning when its available. Its not rocket science! Or swicth to darkness and shock and thrash your way to three stacks of harnessed shadows and unleash the wrath of god with force lightning.

 

If people can't beat the class quests, how the **** are they going to compete in PVP.

 

Someone said earlier that there are just a ton of people who picked this class cause it was called assassin, but didnt bother at all to read how it actually played...you hit the nail on the head my friend. (plus they are prob clickers too)

 

At lvl 30, i was mopping the floor with 50s in warzones as deception, i switched to darkness around lvl 37 when i could get harnessed shadows. I became a god at that point. And I never went back. I morphed from shaman to pally. We arent rogues. We are shaman/pallies or a kinda shaman/shadow priest hybrid if you go madness. Just because we have stealth and 1 attack from behind does not mean we are the burst class. Stealth is for positioning yourself since we dont have a closer. Our bs is meant to be used when the proc is up, thats it! And we are amzaing tanks, I dont care what anyone says, in PVP and out.

 

Do we need a little help, sure. They just broke overcharge saber for darkness Ifor example, and there are a few things here and there that need work, but we are a perfectly competant class if you play the class for what it is.

 

Yes, I hate sorcs. They suck. They sit on top of some structure and rain down hell on my my head. They top the charts, exc. Yes, BH are one button wonders. But, that doesnt mean that my class sucks. The only thing that sucks about my class, is there are a bunch of idiots running around giving me a bad name. Rather than try to force what you think this class should be, why not try to learn what i actually is about and start kicking some ***! OR at least make some kind of constructive critiques to help bioware make us better.

 

rant over

Seriously though, I may not be number one in the PVP matches, but im up there, I dont die much, and I contribute a BUNCH to the team.

 

 

Clicking isnt the problem it's knowing what abilities to use and when, everyone controls the game in a way they see fit. Some use controllers some you keybinds and Z-Boards go with what you do well with (50 clicker assassin, 33 clicker Sniper, 14 clicker Bounty Hunter, 10 clicker Marauder)

 

Zash down at 32 Assassin Tanks mitigation spec .....Clicker

 

http://twitch.tv/hanibalhendrix/b/303312828

 

Thanaton down at 49 Assassin Tank mitigation spec....Clicker

 

http://twitch.tv/hanibalhendrix/b/304352949

 

PVP clicking

 

http://twitch.tv/hanibalhendrix/b/305134696

 

http://twitch.tv/hanibalhendrix/b/305968828

 

People need to play the way that suits them instead of listening to what other peopel toss around as the defacto way to play....if you learn when to use your abilities to counter the enemy in PVP or PVE you will be fine and control is a matter of taste not necessity keybind click whatever helps you win period.....

[Saberolson]

Clicking isnt the problem it's knowing what abilities to use and when, everyone controls the game in a way they see fit. Some use controllers some you keybinds and Z-Boards go with what you do well with (50 clicker assassin, 33 clicker Sniper, 14 clicker Bounty Hunter, 10 clicker Marauder)

 

Zash down at 32 Assassin Tanks mitigation spec .....Clicker

 

http://twitch.tv/hanibalhendrix/b/303312828

 

Thanaton down at 49 Assassin Tank mitigation spec....Clicker

 

http://twitch.tv/hanibalhendrix/b/304352949

 

PVP clicking

 

http://twitch.tv/hanibalhendrix/b/305134696

 

http://twitch.tv/hanibalhendrix/b/305968828

 

People need to play the way that suits them instead of listening to what other peopel toss around as the defacto way to play....if you learn when to use your abilities to counter the enemy in PVP or PVE you will be fine and control is a matter of taste not necessity keybind click whatever helps you win period.....

 

Im not saying you cant compete in PVP as a clicker, and i put it in as more a joke, but you are a serious disadvantage, because you just cant react quick enough. It takes 1 thought to touch a hotkey versus 2 when you use a mouse, that makes a difference. I turn with the mouse, which is instant, you turn with keys which is SLLLOOOOWWW.

 

In fact I watched one of your videos a minute ago strangly enough, where you were playing ring aroudn the *********** rosie with a guy who had 5% health cause you couldnt turn fast enough.

 

Clickers will never beat someone who hotkeys everything. I dont have a single ability that I dont hotkey. Hell I even hotkey guard.

 

And again, I was really just making a joke. In PVE, it doesnt make ****all how you play, but if you want to be at your best in PVP, learn to hotkey. Just like I did, and I am by not means the best PVPer, im really just slightly above avg, but when I made the switch I improved 10 fold.

 

Its obvious you are very touchy about the subject, because you picked one line out of my entire post, ignored everything else, and made this rebuttal.

 

Plus, you are the tank spec. Try all that clicking as deception and let me know how it works for ya.

Edited January 19, 2012 by Saberolson

[Cowflab]

Im not saying you cant compete in PVP as a clicker, and i put it in as more a joke, but you are a serious disadvantage, because you just cant react quick enough. It takes 1 thought to touch a hotkey versus 2 when you use a mouse, that makes a difference. I turn with the mouse, which is instant, you turn with keys which is SLLLOOOOWWW.

 

In fact I watched one of your videos a minute ago strangly enough, where you were playing ring aroudn the *********** rosie with a guy who had 5% health cause you couldnt turn fast enough.

 

Clickers will never beat someone who hotkeys everything. I dont have a single ability that I dont hotkey. Hell I even hotkey guard.

 

And again, I was really just making a joke. In PVE, it doesnt make ****all how you play, but if you want to be at your best in PVP, learn to hotkey. Just like I did, and I am by not means the best PVPer, im really just slightly above avg, but when I made the switch I improved 10 fold.

 

Its obvious you are very touchy about the subject, because you picked one line out of my entire post, ignored everything else, and made this rebuttal.

 

Plus, you are the tank spec. Try all that clicking as deception and let me know how it works for ya.

 

+1 good sir. Clickers and keyboard turners do not have the reaction time of a player that hotkeys. Point blank, plain and simple. In PvP you have to have quick reaction time just as much as you need class knowledge. This is fact, and players that get defensive, do it because they know you are right.

[Rizzit]

Biochem whoring.

Killing non-50s.

Solo huttball score against a noob team.

Screen shaking during assassinate!

 

More yellow press at eleven!

 

If anyone wants to send us more of uber pvp videos here's a guide for you:

-Fight against noob team.

-Abuse abusables.

-Record everything you can.

-Pick the moments where you get lucky.

-Make an uber pvp video from them.

-...

-PROFIT!

 

I have scenes were i fight full champion people, scenes where i jump into

the crowd and burst out lvl 50 champ healer in 3 skills, duel against a full champion

marauder and myy highest crits were on lvl 50 people with gear as you can tell from their

armor.

 

 

Sure it is luck with the crits, but its the same as the:

 

"OMG SO OPeratives OMG NERF THEm PLx they do so UBER dmg"

 

If you look the posts in this tread all u see is:

 

"OMG i cant roxx cz i have to use my brain to actually pick the 3 points in exploitive

strikes and use volt 2x then shock instead of spamming maul".

 

breaking news at 11: OPeratives got the same nerfbatball in da face

with 1.1 so no 8kers nemore on lvl 10 ppl for them too.

 

 

You didnt understand the message of the Video which was:

 

-any class can be OP

 

AND

 

-i'm the best /bow to my name.

Edited January 21, 2012 by Paralassa
Avoiding the language filter + content

[Saberolson]

 

-i'm the best /bow to my name.

 

awesome!

[Epicopter]

Clicking isnt the problem it's knowing what abilities to use and when, everyone controls the game in a way they see fit. Some use controllers some you keybinds and Z-Boards go with what you do well with (50 clicker assassin, 33 clicker Sniper, 14 clicker Bounty Hunter, 10 clicker Marauder)

 

Zash down at 32 Assassin Tanks mitigation spec .....Clicker

 

http://twitch.tv/hanibalhendrix/b/303312828

 

Thanaton down at 49 Assassin Tank mitigation spec....Clicker

 

http://twitch.tv/hanibalhendrix/b/304352949

 

PVP clicking

 

http://twitch.tv/hanibalhendrix/b/305134696

 

http://twitch.tv/hanibalhendrix/b/305968828

 

People need to play the way that suits them instead of listening to what other peopel toss around as the defacto way to play....if you learn when to use your abilities to counter the enemy in PVP or PVE you will be fine and control is a matter of taste not necessity keybind click whatever helps you win period.....

 

You know you aren't good at this game right?

[XxCRAFTYxX]

Im not saying you cant compete in PVP as a clicker, and i put it in as more a joke, but you are a serious disadvantage, because you just cant react quick enough. It takes 1 thought to touch a hotkey versus 2 when you use a mouse, that makes a difference. I turn with the mouse, which is instant, you turn with keys which is SLLLOOOOWWW.

 

In fact I watched one of your videos a minute ago strangly enough, where you were playing ring aroudn the *********** rosie with a guy who had 5% health cause you couldnt turn fast enough.

 

Clickers will never beat someone who hotkeys everything. I dont have a single ability that I dont hotkey. Hell I even hotkey guard.

 

And again, I was really just making a joke. In PVE, it doesnt make ****all how you play, but if you want to be at your best in PVP, learn to hotkey. Just like I did, and I am by not means the best PVPer, im really just slightly above avg, but when I made the switch I improved 10 fold.

 

Its obvious you are very touchy about the subject, because you picked one line out of my entire post, ignored everything else, and made this rebuttal.

 

Plus, you are the tank spec. Try all that clicking as deception and let me know how it works for ya.

 

 

 

If your proclamations were true I wouldnt have been killing people when I'm outmatched 2 to 1 or be going 22 and 0 in a match where I barely got healed.... They would be dominating me...knoledge of the mechanics will win out over fast finger button mashing every time....reaction time is based on alot of things that have nothing to do with keyboard or mouse or controller....

 

Take a 12 year old kid he will have a better reaction time then a 40 year old man all other things being equal....There are also people who have almost superhuman reaction time say like the guy who played through every level of Pacman without dying or a guy who beats Ninja Gaiden in a speed run on Hardmode that has very little to do with controller but rather their inate coordination.

 

You also can factor in repetition as a factor take someone that 2 finger types because they never took a typing class vs someone that types 100 words a minute obviously practice was a factor.

 

Writing off every other natural factor and asuming everyone will require one manner of inteface is silly ...go look up Wolfcrone champion of Street Fighter 4 that plays on a pad when almost everyone else plays on an arcade stick.....bottom line is use whatever technique you feel comfortable with and you will have success.... That is a proven fact of every game, sport, or hobby in existance. There are plenty of people that use irregular stances or techniques in sports and in most cases they end up being even better off because they are unusual and hard to predict.

 

Good luck maping 20 buttons on your left hand and controlling your characters strafe at the same time without ever missclicking a button ......I'll do what feels natural to me, you do the same....

 

My post wasnt an attack on you it was pointing out that the problems people are currently having have nothing to do with The Assassin class being unable to perform it duties in PVE or PVP (IE the video evidence that we can) or the interface but rather knowledge of the games mechanics as people play the game more and become more familiar with what cancells what the gameplay will become more intense and refined in PVP and less challenging in PVE...

[XxCRAFTYxX]

You know you aren't good at this game right?

 

I know your a troll...and I know my pvp tank video has 440 views....and my channel 2,306

your hatred (and reposting of links) only makes me stronger lol......

[Atrox]

PvP is pretty much a joke, and 'Assassins' are the punchline.

[XxCRAFTYxX]

PvP is pretty much a joke, and 'Assassins' are the punchline.

 

Here's a suggestion .....read what force shroud does and start using it.....

 

got a grenade on you that is bound to finish you off...Force shroud will cause it to resist... it's a tech attack...

 

got a dot on you force based or tech no problem (every dot is one of these) pop force shroud and watch as you resist every tick ....

 

You jump down and land next to a bounty hunter, sniper or low on health assassin ...immediately press force shroud and laugh as they press their knockback and you resist because it's a tech/force attack and you gank them....

 

Low on health about to die ....here's the combo....force shroud....your 100% resistant to that dot on you now you can....Force Cloak and the ticks of the dot wont break you back out of stealth then you...Darkness...so noone can detect you...finally you....Force speed....to the nearest health pack or corner to seathe....

 

worried a fellow assassin, or bounth hunter will force pull or lasso you ....guess what beats it...

 

want to close distance on a sorc spitting lightning or stand in aoe and finish a foe ....guess what you do...

 

Force Shroud is basically the Pally bubble of this game if your not using it right or at all you will fail as an assassin if you start using it ever time it's up at the right time you will be next to unstopable...

[Suriken_]

Love the class, do i think its fine? nope. Does it suck? Nope. Is it underpowered compared to majority of specific classes? Yup.

 

To name them, Operatives(concealment) way more utility and waaaay more burst dmg, All Tanks who are doing just as good dmg as you. Healers specially sorcs who can out heal ur dmg and have OP shields and not to mention the ability delay which makes it near impossible to interupt heals.

 

IMO the marauders/dps juggs/assassins all spec's,operative(snipers) are getting the short end of the stick.

 

And from the posts ive read talking about "oh get some gear and ops are fine" well its not supose to be about gear, its supose to be about equal footing on a team fight.

 

Example in a mini fight during a warzone, 3 ops vs 1 assassin/marauder/dpsjugg, i bet u the ops will win every time.

 

The ones who claim things are fine either are the ez classes,exploited during early access to get a huge start on champion gear, got lucky with the RNG with champion gear,or farmed ilum for the 60 valor to get battlemaster gear. But i garauntee you play one of the underpowered classes i mentioned and play against a equal OR BETTER geared class that is OP and ull see the difference.

[Suriken_]

oh and one more thing, i have a sorc healer, sorc dps and op concealment friends i play with, and i can tell u, by playing with these ez classes next to me, i can play just fine with no worries but they all know if i was one of the other easier classes, they would win even faster.

 

So just fyi for those assassins who are topping dmg charts and such, i bet its not all you and u had alot of OP classes next to you making sure u didnt die or werent targeted.