Just gona point out some reasons why I leave a WZ and some reasons im against for leaving/afk'ing. Although i still disagree we dont NEED a deserter buff right now because of how the situation is with imbalances/bugs. I leave for the following: If i join a 0-5 game, umm who ever thinks they should stay is messed up in the head. If i join a game and even tho the score maybe 0-2, i see my entire team being farmed on my own endzone. If i have something more important to do outside of games. U know.... Real Life things. I join a game mid way on say Alderan Wz and the score is in there favor but not by much BUT i see TWO guys just afk'd in a corner. Theres a few more but cant think of them. Heres some that im against. Guy leaves before the game even starts because he thinks that our team is too undergeared, Guy leaves before game starts because he only wants to play with battlemaster/champion geared people. Guy AFK's MID GAME because he is too frustrated for w/e reason, but yet the game is still up for grabs both ways. Guy leaves because they get a lucky score in first 2min. Guy leaves because they cap 2 Guns on Alderan in first 30 seconds. Alot of these reasons are based on the fact that those who leave for the wrong reasons are looking for an easy quick win to complete there Daily. See Ive finished PLENTY of losing games. I just know when its pointless to stay. I too know that you can easily get the same amount of commendations/valor even if u lose, and thats fine, thats why i DONT leave because its not that there roflstomping us, there just out playing us but atleast im able to KILL THEM. Dont get me wrong i still try to win =P.

When u have to deal with alot of people with battlemaster/champion gear which just STOMP ur team completly and leave no room for you to even get ONE kill, how are you gona earn ur commendations then?

U must enjoy losing, have fun with that and gl. Btw for those who are crying that they get stuck in a wz thats already started because somone left. Just something to think about , NOT EVERYONE LEAVES some people actually crash, get dc'd,have life things to do and have to go ect. Also even if they did leave, why dont you just leave urself? No one is forcing you to stay and im am sure as hell not gona blame you for it because of how the way things are now. Unless they fix the MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES, i dont give a rats azz about deserters.

TBH he probably had a healer, and thats the real problem. 2-3 GOOD healers can keep anyone up forever. With the interupts not working and if they do work, cant shut schools out, theyll just recast instantly and theres nothing u can do about it.

i agree.

I agree.

Well with the imbalance issues,expertise issues ect. Who wouldnt leave a warzone ? Hmm 10 seconds into the game i see a full premade with champinon/battlemaster gear just ripping my team apart, should i stay? What for i cant kill anything im just letting them farm off of me.

oh and one more thing, i have a sorc healer, sorc dps and op concealment friends i play with, and i can tell u, by playing with these ez classes next to me, i can play just fine with no worries but they all know if i was one of the other easier classes, they would win even faster. So just fyi for those assassins who are topping dmg charts and such, i bet its not all you and u had alot of OP classes next to you making sure u didnt die or werent targeted.

Love the class, do i think its fine? nope. Does it suck? Nope. Is it underpowered compared to majority of specific classes? Yup. To name them, Operatives(concealment) way more utility and waaaay more burst dmg, All Tanks who are doing just as good dmg as you. Healers specially sorcs who can out heal ur dmg and have OP shields and not to mention the ability delay which makes it near impossible to interupt heals. IMO the marauders/dps juggs/assassins all spec's,operative(snipers) are getting the short end of the stick. And from the posts ive read talking about "oh get some gear and ops are fine" well its not supose to be about gear, its supose to be about equal footing on a team fight. Example in a mini fight during a warzone, 3 ops vs 1 assassin/marauder/dpsjugg, i bet u the ops will win every time. The ones who claim things are fine either are the ez classes,exploited during early access to get a huge start on champion gear, got lucky with the RNG with champion gear,or farmed ilum for the 60 valor to get battlemaster gear. But i garauntee you play one of the underpowered classes i mentioned and play against a equal OR BETTER geared class that is OP and ull see the difference.

agree with op

To be honest i think 1.1 was just the iceing on the cake. Everyones upset over so many bugs and balance issues that this just made it the final straw for everyone that is fed up with pvp. The problems arent going away and there releasing new content and fixing minor things instead of focusing/fixing on the real problems.

I disagree. Bioware could have made republic more interesting and have better or close to animations and looks. I bet all those sorcs/assassins could have went republic but decided not to because they rahter shoot lightning then just some chunks of rocks. Same with storyline they could have made it alot more interesting but nope. So i dont blame the people i blame the developers who made the game.

i know my awareness was not the issue here, i have my camera zoomed all the way out and never miss the door from being planted unless they cheat with the aoe stealth. So no, nice try.

**** u have no idea how bad it is, ive had it happend 5 times now not a 5v1 but a 3v1 , no healers/no guards just 3v1 on a side door and we BARLY managed to take him down and he killed 1 of us + the other was close to death. SO NO, its not balanced.

and what class do you play?

meh ive been pvping for a while now, i hate the rng system, hate how the pvp is so unbalanced ops/scound's critting too much, sorc/jc bubbles are too strong, tanks are too strong, and my all time favorite a team full of op utility on huttball sprint > pass > leap > pull > leap > score(which btw warriors can now do a double leap now since 1.1). Fastest score was of 6-0 was in like 1min. Not to mention the afk'ers, the leavers, the few cheaters like the scound's/ops area stealth to fast plant on voidstar or people who went out of there way to get the speed hack. Its a total let down and nothing but frustration. Id pve but its not worth it when the pvp gear is so much easier to get and so much better. So... whats the point? Well for me i think im gona unsub and wait for D3 unless they fix alot of the easy stuff along with balancing issues, in my honest opinion the last thing we need right now is new content.

nothing wrong with playing with friends, but i think premades should have there own bracket, because premades have a HUUUUUUGE advantage over pubs. Oh ya sure it takes real skill to beat a pub, lawl. Anyone knows a well organized premade is gona stomp any pub. Thats why hey lets put the premades vs premades, and pubs vs pubs then everyones happy and the premades can hone there skill against other organized groups. just a thought, but im sure all the people who are comfy racking up there commendations by taking advantage of the pubs wont like that no sir, they must have it ez or else it wont be fun because having a real pvp challenge is not the way to go, amirite premades?

u fail to realize that not everyone plays 24/7 to farm champion gear and without it, they are OP. I keep running into the SAME premade over and over smugglers/commando's just farming away, they dont even try to win, they just camp the spawn. Its getting frustrating and becoming game breaking for me. I want to pvp but no point going into a game so some kids who abuse the system can get ahead of everyone.

As soon as 50's are in there seperate group, and they remove OP premades. Every premade i see with all champion gear, who wants to go against that? there just setting themselves for defeat no matter how hard they try, mighta swell just leave. Not to mention with the ability delay, some balance issues ect. Then id worry about those leavers.

not talking about auto attaks, talking about special attacks only which ur at 100% not 90% was only listing 92% cause of what the character sheet shows u without scrolling over.

ive been lookingforever for answers on this, i have 30% crit atm, with 80% surge(unbuffed), my accuracy is only 2% above so 92% and ive been told that u only need an extra 5% so players dont dodge you for pvp ofcourse. I just recently been pvping' noticed the pve gear and pvp gear vendors, its a mix between power/crit/accuracy/expertise/surge, depending on the set ofcourse. So in my opinion power is still good and accuracy is needed a tiny bit for pvp so they dont dodge u. Im not sure how it all plays out but either im forced to wear these 2 sets 1 pve 1 pvp for end game, or I gimp myself in the end. Also in upcoming patch not sure if its this one, there letting you take the mods from the pve/pvp gear and xfer them to custom gear , the bonus sets go with them too. Still tho not sure how its all supose to play out.

heres some advice, first 25 lvls sure 100k seems like alot 200k or even 300k, but aslong as u dont spend ur money trying to quick lvl ur crafting instead of naturally gathering ur materials, you should have way over 50k+ for ur first mount. After that the money just comes in flowing easily from quest rewards, the more u quest the more money u get. Once u reach 50 theres 2 daily areas which only take about maybe 1hr each area if anything maybe quicker if u have friends like i do =) group of 4, and each area nets u around 130k+ and 1 epic mod/enchancement a day case u want to gear urself up a bit more for hardmodes or what not, even ur companions too, sheet one of the zones even gives you a nice weapon for each of ur companions a day. Also the daily commendations are nice for the hilt/barrels/armoring. This game is giving everything to you on a silver platter. End game is ez aslong as u put in the time.

Ok so if im supose to focus on crit/surge, why does the sabers only have POWER and ALOT of it, and no crit at all? Looking at the rest of it, it seems pathetic the gear. And looks fugly. =/

i only agree with one comment. Add a level restriction. Quesh has one i think, i tried going there at lvl 30ish i forget, but because my quest wasnt there yet i couldnt get that "medicine shot" or w/e it is u need to go onto the planet. I think its the same for Hoth aswell. Being the right level of the planet and camping a chest should not be punished, and yes its cheap and childish to hog it all to yourself and even tho it does seem like cheating because you gain a unfair advantage its still there and still open to the public for anyone to grab. If you really want to remove this kind of unfair advantage there was one idea(besides adding a level restriction to the planet) I saw a few people mention. Make it random. If there going out of there way to have a second account to stand there 24/7 for it, id raise a red flag cause i dont think anyone in there right mind would stand there ALL DAY everyday waiting for a random spawn. Another idea would be make it like a Datacron, once looted you cant loot it again. (this does not apply to gathering nodes.) Now i know this was all MAINLY against the gold farmers and such, but people are just arguing the fact of how it was handled and how can you distinguish a gold farmer from a person just making extra credits for themselves and not selling them for real cash. Just my 2 cents. Bioware keep up the good work atleast trying to get rid of all the gold farmers. But throw these poor lads a bone here to ensure them that the non-gold farmers are not being targeted or punished. Atleast thats what i believe is going on here.

thx for replies , might test out talos then.