Thaed Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 You are misunderstanding what I am getting at. I am not complaining because I selected Pass and did not get an item. I only said that I pass if I don't WANT or NEED the item. If my character, MY CHARACTER.....not my companions but if my character needs the item, I'll click need. My gripe is when I click need for an item such as a chest piece armor that is VERY heavy in Enduarance which is what my Vanguard needs, I would lose that item to a Jedi Sage who clearly does not need the item! I rolled need and she rolled greed and won..... She didn't roll greed, she rolled need. A need roll of 1 will beat out a greed roll of 100 every time. Need > Greed, regardless of roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formulaic Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Maybe the game needs a hidden option 'companion need'? [need][companion need - if you select need, but your character cannot use it, it becomes 'companion need'][greed] With the standard rules so that need>companion need>greed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Istelle Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 This thread is so long lol but all I'm going to say is there's a reason the greed button is labelled "greed".. anyone who rolls greed just wants it for the vendor or market credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beansoup Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) I only roll need if my current character that I'm playing benefits from it, if not it's all greed. ...Aside some runs that I'm pimping folks up, as in lower level flashs. I just pass, naturally. It's sad that this is still even an issue. Have common courtesy and decency, we are all part of the gaming community. Ninjaing will do anothing but separate you from the folks that get to the "this is why we actually can have nice things" part. Edited January 5, 2012 by Beansoup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIS_Razal Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I need when I need it.... I'm a trooper/Commando/Healer spec so 100% of the time so far I have been the only trooper in my Flashpoint group... So like 75% of the items I need or can equip, no one else in the group can so I usually get them. The same can be said for my companions... Though even if I know for a fact not a single person in the flashpoint needs it for their toon, and like 75% couldn't use it for companion either. I still ask if it's okay if I roll need for companion, I have never been told no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archifikoss Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) Personally I usually pass on stuff, and ask before needing if I see an item that would be useful for me. I don't care that much about gear (even though I do like getting loot) so I'd rather not bother too much and risk drama. However if I do want an item I know from beforehand drops in the instance, I will inform my teammates beforehand and ask from then if it's OK with them if I need it. Edited January 5, 2012 by archifikoss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdela Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 No, need for companions carries a lot more weight than just vendoring the item. But naturally never need for a companion over a main toon. If I find an item that I need for a companion I will wait and see if anyone needs for their main, and if not, those who need it for companions can need, and finally everyone else can greed. As I said, we need a 'need for companion' button. Also, need should bind an item to you. Good idea. Need and bind on pickup (prevent ninjas from needing, though they can still vendor it), need for companion and BoP, greed, and pass. I like it. And pass should be a button, not just closing the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Malice Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) I need on everything, because frankly I have just as much right to the loot as the trooper who is going to wear it. You aren't going to get very many invites. You sir, are a loot whore, and your kind isn't welcome here. NEED - Your currently played character. NEED with permission - Companions or alts on BoE gear (doesnt make you a "scrub" as someone suggested.... It actually makes you the complete opposite. You are getting better gear, and being considerate to the people you are playing with by asking permission to roll) GREED - anytime, anyplace, if someone needed it and didn't roll need, thats thier fault. But why does Pass need to be a button.... the X does the same thing, people will eventually know, and for the most part, you should never pass anyway, even if you win a roll and don't have room it will go to the next highest roller. Edited January 5, 2012 by Midnight_Malice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBMC Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Do what I do, roll greed on everything because I'm too busy fighting on behalf of the entire group to compare properly, I never get anything but at least I'm not being a ninja. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalen_Loire Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 But shouldn't people have a bit more respect for the people they group with? So they want to roll greed on an item to sell it at a vendor for probably 2K, that is fine, but at some point, where does the respect come into play? I could have rolled greed on many items to sell, but out of courtesy to my group, I click pass and allow it to go to someone who actually deserves it and will make better use of it for their character. I dont see how rolling greed on item that everyone else is rolling greed is disrespectful. If a player rolls need and everyone else rolls greed that player gets the item. Doesnt matter if a greed player roll 99 and a need player rolls a 1. The need stomps the greed every time. If every player rolls greed Im not gonna roll a pass. I roll pass when someone rolls need because they are going to get the item anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dymensia Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 So they want to roll greed on an item to sell it at a vendor for probably 2K, that is fine, but at some point, where does the respect come into play? I could have rolled greed on many items to sell, but out of courtesy to my group, I click pass and allow it to go to someone who actually deserves it and will make better use of it for their character. If they would make better use of it for their character they would need (and if it's for their companion they would ask if anyone else needs and if not, then roll need). Greed is specifically there so that an item nobody needs can go somewhere instead of just being passed on (and left on the corpse). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrobes Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 If I can't use it, or I don't need it, I will pass. I'm very strict about this. I will never roll need for my companion either. Unless I am with close friends, and we've talked about it before entering (e.g. doing a companion-gear-run with buddies) I basically never roll greed at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidX Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 The way I see it, either YOU need the gear or don't. I am not talking about needing it for your companion or to sell on GTN, but needing to put on your character. The way I play, if it goes on my companion, I roll need, if it doesn't, I just roll pass. That is the funny thing though. I am level 43 and out of all the heroics/flashpoints I ran, I think I only played with one person who actually passed on gear. Everyone else tends to roll greed if they don't need the gear and in many times, actually win. Is there any point in the game where you are blocked from winning gear that doesn't pertain to your character? Wow your logic is stupid This is my logic and i dont see lack of respect here pass if you dont care of even selling it greed if you want to sell it need if you want to use it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakos Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Roll need on gear for your character. Ask for gear for your companion. Roll Greed if you don't care either way. This seemed like the obvious thing to do, but apparently some people's kids... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddickcz Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 My answer to the OP question is: No. In that case You would just need to have Pass/Need option there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabloosh Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) If no one rolls need on the gear I'll tell the group I want to roll need for a companion. If I need it I don't ask for myself though. Edited January 12, 2012 by Kabloosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlaine Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 But shouldn't people have a bit more respect for the people they group with? So they want to roll greed on an item to sell it at a vendor for probably 2K, that is fine, but at some point, where does the respect come into play? I could have rolled greed on many items to sell, but out of courtesy to my group, I click pass and allow it to go to someone who actually deserves it and will make better use of it for their character. If people are greeding, they aren't using it for their character. They're greeding to sell. If they want gear for their character, they will need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil-bob Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Greed is vendoring it for the credits. There is nothing wrong with this if no one needs it that means someone should get the chance to sell it to the vendor. /agreed "Greed" is there so that you can get the (often significant) cash value as part of your "reward" for the drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocketthesaurus Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 But shouldn't people have a bit more respect for the people they group with? So they want to roll greed on an item to sell it at a vendor for probably 2K, that is fine, but at some point, where does the respect come into play? I could have rolled greed on many items to sell, but out of courtesy to my group, I click pass and allow it to go to someone who actually deserves it and will make better use of it for their character. It's not everybody else's problem that you don't roll greed on stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenloc Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Scenario A: A ton of people just got trolled in this thread. Scenario B: The OP cannot understand a simple loot system after twelve pages of replies. Either way, everyone needs to stop. You're not helping anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aisar Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) I roll need if I need something to improve my play experience. I roll greed if I am going to vendor it for credits.I only ever pass if I know for a fact someone alreaddy rolled need before I rolled or if it is not worth any credits. The 3 choices are very well named. Greed implies that the motive is (greed). It will be sold for credits. I am tempted to think the OP is a troll, I can't believe he does not get this. Some things have a gray area, as in ok, some people do not get it. Need...Greed..Pass.. 10 year olds understand this system, more than enough of them play WoW and the system has been successful for the most part. Edited January 12, 2012 by Aisar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocketthesaurus Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I have lost items in which I clicked need to those who clicked greed. Mind you these are items that my character needed and the other didn't. Like I lost out on Hammer Station orange Trooper Helmet [i'm a Trooper Vanguard] to a Smuggler who rolled greed. When I asked him why, he said that he needs it for his companion Corso Riggs. Again, the item was clearly meant for my character and I lost out on it even though I clicked need and he clicked greed. This is a bug, then. Need outweighs greed. If ANYBODY rolls Need and everybody else rolls Greed, then the Need person automatically wins. That is how the system is set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Permetheus Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 But shouldn't people have a bit more respect for the people they group with? So they want to roll greed on an item to sell it at a vendor for probably 2K, that is fine, but at some point, where does the respect come into play? I could have rolled greed on many items to sell, but out of courtesy to my group, I click pass and allow it to go to someone who actually deserves it and will make better use of it for their character. I roll Need if I Need it. I roll Greed if my companion could use it. I pass else. But OP ... you are a whiny *&^%$. The system was put in place for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asbalana Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I roll need for my character if the item is an upgrade. Otherwise greed if I need credits, but mostly pass. I would never need for a companion. That just does not seem right to me. I run group plan for the enjoyment of group play and figure that the gear will come as I play the game and so don't get passionate about the rolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirricvirru Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I C WUT YOU DID THER HAHAHA THIS IS PRETTY EPIC. I'm sure this thread is a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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