I second that epic comment. I see i predicted right more comments "op/pvp" ques are longer = game is dying LOL *facepalm*

true UO and AO I believe is still going to ...that's why i said eventually.....at some point in the future it will stop and when that happens people will come out to say " i told you so " that's my point ...even if it doesn't happen for another 50 years.

let me guess this is another ops / pvp are dying so of course that means without that everything is doooooooommeed. sooo "the game" is dying because they are the pillars that holds this game up... thread in disguise..... Your right ..eventually the game will close at some unknown date and people will all point to whatever it is they think caused it . how many of these threads over the last 5 years .....supposedly the game was dying when it first went ftp.... yes it will die eventually ...so you are partially factual ..from a certain point of view ....

Op there has been no published date but the last gree event mentioned is on the 10 oct and they have stated more info on the next expansion will be given on the 7 oct at an event so they may release the date then. - edited-- but really.... someone definitely should open a wholesale salt distribution business

My BH did get a sad letter from Mako . ..Never got anything from Kira though.

as I said I dont normally hunt achievements they just sort of pop up while i am playing normally. As for the alliance grind that just happens as well while i am doing the weekly planetary heroics. You get a TON of box by the time your done all the planets.

QFT - if you enjoy "hard content" you should not have to be "bribed" to do hard content

I have run the entire plants (class and planet quests ) many times I reached legacy level 50 without ever doing group content doing all the stuff you said you would not enjoy and have enjoyed it greatly. Some thing else you might consider I'm not an achievement hunter per se but you could try going through the list and try to find ones you find intresting with the new expansion try maxing out your alliance rep there is lots of content out when you look..

Agree 100% QFT Going through with my main wasnt as fun without kira ---my alts also miss their wives to . the only one that is somewhat happy atm is the trooper who romanced Lana I was very disappointed they didn't put in all the romance conversation "quests" they had in the original

Please put more resources into building more solo explorable worlds with their own story arc quests and cutscenes separate from the main story line ( like original) - this is generally not a problem anymore but will note this any way: No forced or bribed grouping for any story related content. everything related to any story content should have a solo option. - All Main Li's returned (my main misses Kira...a lot ) with more romantic cutscenes throughout the the game - More romantic conversations "quests cutscenes" that build off of the last chain in the class story ( like the original class stories) - Updated companion lines ( although i'll never get tired of "eat lightsaber jerk" ) lol - Customizable Lana -flirty vaylin interactions ( or romance even lol) - would roll a new toon just for that lol - who knows maybe you can save the galaxy though love lol my trooper romanced lana and nothing bad has happened .....

^ This

1 KIra. 2 More character interaction in general / romantic cutscenes/ romantic "quests " ( like in the class story) 3Kira

I'm not the one defining what a mmo is ... google " MMO definition" and see for yourself .... i cut and paste the top definition you see in my first response in this thread "grouping in any form" in ALL the game i mentioned are "add ons " side dishes whatever term you want to use ..not the "core" of the game. They are played by a "niche" group that find that fun. Its not considered the "general player base" The reason for this is that you are not "required " to group in any of the games i mentioned . Look at swtor you can solo EVERYTHING except ops and most fp and Bioware slowly making those soloable as well. However it is considered the general player base in MOBAS and are mmos by definition also they have a core of being Group based because you play "teams" its like if swtor only had ops and and no other type of content.. One Fact remains: You could remove all group activities ( ops FP etc ) from any of the games and it would still be a "MMO" by definition because multiple people can access the same online environment in real time . ....if you can't see this difference ..well that's your issue

100% QFT and when you call them on it they try to bait you a conversation to justify their over inflated sense of importance as a "customer" as well as an higher than average entitlement complex. which is why i took a long break from coming here ...i can feel another one coming.

HI Eric Not sure if you will see it in general but i did post my thoughts on this event ...thanks http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=894950

the fact that you think your statements contain fact is also an opinion....to which we will disagree.

Thanks for you your positive comment even though we share differnt views . That is why i suggested a format where there are 2 paths with no benefit or difference in either sides completion then people can freely choose and play the way they have the most fun. Group people can group solo people can solo.

wow long winded with very little actual content .... you are still judging by length of play which is wrong speaking as a vet .. long term players are no more or less than new players . You are also use the term "MMO" wrong which is a fact not an opinion..... you cannot have "pieces " of a MMO it is either an MMO or it isn't. However the rest these are also opinions and you're entitled to it but its not a fact . I made it to legacy level 50 and personally until recently ( due to requirements) have not participated in group content yet always enjoy my time and have always things to do. for an out of game example I have lot track but probably in the hundreds of how many times i have rewatched the star wars and star trek franchise movies and still enjoy it the same as the first time i watched it ...in game content is the same thing. They are already doing this with solo flashpoints so you response is invalid.

Actually no where in any of my op or reposes is there salt or entitlement , It some people that responding that believe that the "core" of the game is group based content and that is how it should be despite what other opinions are that are not only salty but also selfish. Which is inherently wrong by the very definition of a MMO. If you read i made an alternate suggestion suggestion was to offer 2 paths ... one for people who like to group or pvp and one for people who dont with the same result on both sides so there is no benefit to doing it either way, (no bribes or requirements) that gives freedom of choice , They have started doing this with the new solo flashpoints . Let the community as a whole decide if they want to group or solo. The people that oppose its freedom of choice are the ones being selfish. nice try though

...Sigh... you are still using the term "MMO " wrong by definition ... All games that exist on the net that allow more than one person to access the same environment at the same time is a MMO . As I stated earlier in this thread, by definition a MMO does not REQUIRE raid pvp or any othertime of "group content" to be classified as a MMO. Yes you are correct...so is wow , sto , elder scrolls guild wars 2, and all the others are solo rpg mmo type games with "group elements" If you want an actual example of a "Group based MMO " MOBAS would be acceptable classification of a "core group based" mmo

I Completely disagree with all your points in your response and point to my op for the reason. Your entitled to you opinion but we will have to agree to disagree on this subject

i personally disagree

In game mail box Soo legacy level 50 and joining 890 days ago is considered New now ....have you thought maybe i dont actively search out achievement and let them jsut organically pop up as i am playing ? ....hmmm there is a thought I am not new and I was in KOFE early access so the basis for your post is irrelevant for the most part. Most of your response is in a above post including my disagreement to you saying "grouping is the most important part. its not. The core game ..( main story content, events etc) should always be solo compatible ... its called freedom of choice. give everyone 2 paths to the same objective and rewards.. those who want ot group can thoughs who dont want to dont have to . the wording of your post post and the fact that you tried to judge me on my achievement points did validate a lot for a lot of the negative points I have made about the community though so thanks.

general side note..I see the forum has changed at all since my break from the below replies prove all my points about salt , entitlement This is in no way a "grouping game" its a story base rpg with some "group options" they are not the core of the game . it seem you are under the impression that MMO means "must have forced group content to survive" By definition you are mistaken First off....you should know your definitions before making a comment like that ...but really its a mistake most raiders pvp harmode min maxers make when making their case along with the delusion that they ...seem to think they are they glue that holds games together.... "MMO" is not a TYPE of game its an ENVIRONMENT. LOL RPG , Moba, FPS, RTS are types of games Also the definition of a MMO is as follows So going by the actual definition of a mmo... As long as more than one person can connect to the same environment at the same time its a MMO regardless of the content. meaning a MMO does not REQUIRE group or PVP content to be considered a "MMO" You could have a completely solo able game and it would still be a "MMO" As for the comments on replayability... I am still planning on multiple Kofe runs and as for the OLD worlds.i have not done any raids or pvp ..yet i don't seem to run out of things to do .... I completed ALL planets multiple times , lost track of the daily and weekly and many other random things... reached Legacy Level 50 Soo really if you take the "MM" parts out you have an offline game not connected to the internet at all....soo your comment really doesn't make sense. No i would not like swtor to just be a noma stand alone game .

thought this quote from a similar thread was relevant. ..sighs..