Hey now...let's not forget this:

No freaking clue...you could do them with lv 49 blues without any problem on top of that -_-

+1 sweg points for music, Barrier + Affliction too OP

I have worn White + White on my mara for along time and still do but I get funky on my sentinel I have all the war hero crystals and since I pvp only I change them very often (Collections ftw!!!), I wear the following combos very often. Cyan Blue + Hot Orange Green + Red Mint Green + Cyan Blue Derelict Purple + Mint Green Pink Purple + Cyan Blue Lime Green + Orange Red Yellow Blue + Hot Orange Black-Red + Black-Purple <----Cost me a crapload of Ranked comms that Black-Purple, curse you Bioware Copper + Derelict Purple Mint Green + Blood Red Cyan + Derelict Purple I dunno, I can't really say I have a favorite combination, But I really like the Cyan + Derelict Purple combo.

I was just derping and alluding to the fact that SINCE bioware claimed carnage was "Too Easy" and made it an RNG fest, I wouldn't be surprised if they suddenly decided to pull the same move on Pyro.

^^^^This here, many people underestimate the use of accuracy. While I run 96% (companion buff) accuracy in carnage, I'm at 92% accuracy on my vengeance Jugg, and I can tell you that it isn't optimal and even if 4% may seem like nothing, the amount of times an Impale/Vicious Throw/Ravage tick has missed is more important than you'd think. I know it may sound like a good idea to get some more uptime on the target through stagger, but no matter which mara spec you're playing, you shouldn't underestimate the use of accuracy and should aim at 95%.

Awsme!CharLmtReached.

Welp, I got there when it was almost over and 20seconds after I came into the area my fan went insane and my game crashed...so much for OPvP

OP heals can actually reduce the active CD of dodge to 20seconds...that's just....lol. I agree with the uncleansable dots thing though...the dmg output is ridiculous, and considering how Madness/Balance has become something pretty close to FOTM it's even more apparent. @The 2.0 change...I guess it wouldn't be logical for them to change Pyro on PTs to an RNG fest in 3.0 since the spec is so insanely hard to play and there's absoluuuuuutely no PT who would run it right? :p:p

I assumed people would hold down the left mouse button and slide the page down for 10 seconds What is the world becoming dammit Time to start quoting multiple at once now. From now on, include the quote at least twice Inb4BiowareModsBanForQuoteAbuse

1v3's are casual stuf in lowbies on a Pyro PT LOL...gawd this thing preforms retardedly well with minimum input as soon as u get the RS reset.

Made a template because apparently it will become widely quoted. #PvPLessonsThreadGoingToShet

Shet, so you have a lot of people with PvE gear in WZ's? LOL

Are we talking Open World or in Warzones here? Because even if you were going against 2 worst players ever in a WZ bolster would give them competitive stats so one could still just use a hardstun and the other one would just attack you and you'd lose considerable HP.

As soon as I saw the Defense Jugg part I was like "Oh well :rolleyes:"

Don't quote the whole wall of text! Btw Eavn, I'll attend your lessons but Frequencyz will send you the cash by mail (He's funding me to spy on your lessons, only to steal the knowledge and claim it as his )

Then that wouldn't be a Tank Jugg, you're talking about but rather a Vengeance Jugg tunneling a face-tanking ranged. Care to explain how an insane amount of focus on SINGLE TARGET abilities in the Operative's DPS tree will help them deal way better against multiple targets than 1v1?

Bump....FIX IT ALREADY!

Yah I know about Chaff Flare, but the increased def. chance is only for Pyro (we can say for pretty much every single PT out there that is not a tank though). He'd have to stack a crazy amount of accuracy to be able to see a significant increase in the hit % if he's spamming white dmg attacks on a Pyro with Chaff Flare. An even easier solution is to just switch targets >.>

My accuracy is low, because in the build I posted I tried to use Pooled Hatred and I lose 2% accuracy for that not to mention how I didn't upgrade my gear accordingly, my bad! If you put those two point into accuracy you're at 94% melee accuracy, and you can reach 95% with only 1 accuracy enhancement. That would probably be the optimal choice, but I'm still trying to figure out if losing Pooled Hatred will be a noticeable DPS loss or not, over occasionally missing a Ravage tick, an Impale or a Vicious Throw (and I'm starting to think that the added accuracy might be more worth it). Andrew is absolutely right though, you can push for greater DPS in regs and you might get away with it since everything's pretty chaotic, but you'll notice the accuracy increase if you fight a lot of sins/sorcs/Carnage Maras, as those classes have quite higher defense chances than others and a single miss on a ravage tick/impale/vicious throw can pretty much change the game.

I think by making a sage and throwing rocks at them, I've heard people find it insanely frustrating to see their character bent down...

That was a long read indeed, but thanks for clearing everything up. I just wanted to add that as a Jugg/Mara you'd want to always be in 4m range, that is the correct approach in PvP, but as a PT, always trying to be at 4m (Like Raansu seems to suggest) is absolutely stupid. Since doing otherwise means you barely lose any DPS (especially as Pyro) but notice a MASSIVE gain in survivability when fighting Juggs/Maras. Therefore, a PT's effective and optimal range depends on the type of class he is fighting.

Haven't heard of any >.>

I believe you're at 94% accuracy without any accuracy in your gear if you have the companion buff and if you take the 3% accuracy in Combat no?

Meh, I pretty much quit the debate because people have different perceptions about what melee is and I'm done arguing, since we've pretty much started repeating the things we've been saying in different words. But I'd like you to explain what you meant in the passage I quoted, I didn't really get it.