I said effective tanking.

I agree with you that guard needs to be locked to the tanking trees and not accessible through stance dancing for DPS.

a) LIES b) If you think effective tanking is easy, LOL, give it a shot. Cuz I know you haven't. c) U PROT M8? http://i.imgur.com/xXSjego.jpg

Working as intended. If a team has a proper trinity comp and your team does not, your team should lose given equal skill level. tr:dl PROPER TRINITY COMP>IMPROPER COMP /THREAD

I will def be looking for you frequently. Repside has a Horrid lack of decent healz so be prepared to... SPREAD YO GRAVY <3 pretty sure DEM SWOLE NUTZ doe </3 I cri evr tiem U R Always welcome. Always GGs Primos joined MCB on Zedark and encouraged several members of Filthy to do the same in PMs. He turned GM of Filthy to Overweight, who as far as I understand, plays impside most of the time. As far as tipping the the scales back to somewhat balanced, Mad Cuz is the only foreseeable answer in the near future. See the secret is, I don't actually train cybertech. I have the mystical tryhard backpack of Gemji-ha'ma. Every time I put a cute little scrub with some valiant and heroic guild name like Destiny Freedom Defenders 5000 in the backpack, it turns them into a grenade that has to be used within 30s or it disappears from my inventory. These grenades also place a debuff on enemy players and forces them to /say things like "tryhard" or "stun sh*tter" I know, OP as hell. Maybe someday I will post a vid on where to get this special backpack. Still looking for great players Repside. Added 3 members since my last post and answered a PM today regarding 2 PvP hardend old timers returning. We are especially in need of good healers! See OP for who to contact. Hit us up!

Le sigh. This will take time recruitment has been a bit slow. You actually did see 2 of us in a pug group for 4s like 4 days ago but we were on imp alts (eeeewww right?) . Wish more people come back to Rep side. People seem to have their egos on blast and don't take losing lightly, even when its due to bad pugs in regs, not their own performance. We need to fill 2 spots for our first official ranked team: 1 heals and 1 dps. Particularly interested in Scoundrel or Sage heals and Gunslinger or Vanguard dps. But contact me directly if anyone is interested regardless of class as I feel any class CAN be made to work in team ranked, given skill level, coordination and tactics. Cheers!

Hey El, Basically with Wally gone the guild lacked certain necessary controls for a strong PvP guild. They still have good PvPers in that guild and I group with them on a regular basis. I heard Wally is coming back to the game and I truely hope so as I miss that dude. </3 Zet! lel! Move your Guardian back to JC plox! Would love to see all the LD Dudes pubside more. It's so relieving when I see you guys + Grav Bros in matches. Especially when I'm solo queueing. Funny 'cause that's how I felt about pubside PvP a month ago: RIP. Banksy, Wasabi and I plan to pull this boat against the tide. Gameface: ON You would be OH SO BERRY welcome to join us! Not that you would ever leave RG though. I actually stole a lot of the OP text from VPS's old PM recruitment thread last year including that part so if your connection qualified for them... Nice. Banksy and Wasab are leveling alts in mids atm. Pst us. Anybody else interested please contact Shade-starr, Banksy or Daijoubu in game or PM if not on. Or respond in this thread.

<Mad Cuz Balance> Jedi Covenant Republic guild yielding and recruiting experienced PvPers. <Mad Cuz Nub> Jedi Covenant Republic guild recruiting PvP focused players of any skill level, who actively PvP and are striving to improve. Our Combined Purpose To lift Rep side PvP out of the mud and put it back on a competitive level on JC. (The below mostly applies to MCB) About Us <Mad Cuz Balance> is a very small, just getting started, semi-hardcore guild on the server Jedi Covenant. We consist of a strong and knowledgeable core group of PvP'ers, as well dedicated and experienced PvE'ers with 7/10 on the current HM Ops. We strive to improve our performance every day, with this mentality we push each other to be the best and work toward excellence because we are only as strong as our weakest member. About You With a competitive edge to all of us, we expect you to be the same. You should be skilled, dedicated, and willing to challenge and better yourself under any circumstances. We're looking for someone who is going to be in it for the long haul and is highly motivated. We expect you to act accordingly within the guild, majority of us are young adults with good sense of humor, take what we say lightly as we tend to joke around with each other while still showing respect. Expectations (PvP) if you are interested in applying to the guild you can expect reg WZ group(s) to be going within the guild each afternoon/evening/late night, with the future intention of having 2-3 nights of ranked arena. Our goal for pvp is to be the best and create two competitive teams in queue three nights a week. Being available frequently is a bonus, as other teams/players maybe qued at different times/days. (PvE) We are still forming up. We are not taking on PvE only players. Guild PvE content with be for the PvPers in the guild that like to do both. Recruitment (General Standards) -A stable high speed internet connection -Teamspeak3 with a working and clear microphone -The ability to work well/communicate with others -Moderately thick skin and a well-developed sense of humor. (PvP Requirements) -Must be able to work well with others and pursue a goal of competitive ranked arena. -Must be top teir player of you're class or spec(s) and able to hold you're own within a ranked match/regular warzone. -Must be able to communicate under pressure and play with a group mentality. Any further questions regarding PvP can be directed towards Shade-starr or Banksy, in-game whisper/mail or here on the forums. (PvE Requirements) -Must be able to make our raid times/days(once raid team is formed and times are set). -Must have raiding experience in the latest content. -Must prepare yourself before the raid so first pull can start on time. Any further questions regarding pve can be directed towards Shade-starr, in-game whisper/mail, or here on the forums. (Process) For <Mad Cuz Balance> Ask for Shade-starr, Banksy or Daijoubu in game and we can set up a interview/trial for you, during that process we will get to know you as a player/person and you will have to run a handful of regular warzones (win or lose) with us to see how you communicate and play with a team. For <Mad Cuz Nub> Again ask for Shade-starr, Banksy or Daijoubu and we will get you in. Again I would like to stress that MCN is a PvP guild recruiting players of any skill level so there aren't any strict standards. You will run with MCB members often and we will be there to help you with any questions and give tips on gameplay. We will be culling the better players, as they get there, from MCN into MCB. Thanks for showing interest in our two guilds we hope to hear from you soon!.

<Mad Cuz Balance> Jedi Covenant Republic guild yielding and recruiting experienced PvPers. <Mad Cuz Nub> Jedi Covenant Republic guild recruiting PvP focused players of any skill level, who actively PvP and are striving to improve. Our Combined Purpose To lift Rep side PvP out of the mud and put it back on a competitive level on JC. (The below mostly applies to MCB) About Us <Mad Cuz Balance> is a very small, just getting started, semi-hardcore guild on the server Jedi Covenant. We consist of a strong and knowledgeable core group of PvP'ers, as well dedicated and experienced PvE'ers with 7/10 on the current HM Ops. We strive to improve our performance every day, with this mentality we push each other to be the best and work toward excellence because we are only as strong as our weakest member. About You With a competitive edge to all of us, we expect you to be the same. You should be skilled, dedicated, and willing to challenge and better yourself under any circumstances. We're looking for someone who is going to be in it for the long haul and is highly motivated. We expect you to act accordingly within the guild, majority of us are young adults with good sense of humor, take what we say lightly as we tend to joke around with each other while still showing respect. Expectations (PvP) if you are interested in applying to the guild you can expect reg WZ group(s) to be going within the guild each afternoon/evening/late night, with the future intention of having 2-3 nights of ranked arena. Our goal for pvp is to be the best and create two competitive teams in queue three nights a week. Being available frequently is a bonus, as other teams/players maybe qued at different times/days. (PvE) We are still forming up. We are not taking on PvE only players. Guild PvE content with be for the PvPers in the guild that like to do both. Recruitment (General Standards) -A stable high speed internet connection -Teamspeak3 with a working and clear microphone -The ability to work well/communicate with others -Moderately thick skin and a well-developed sense of humor. (PvP Requirements) -Must be able to work well with others and pursue a goal of competitive ranked arena. -Must be top teir player of you're class or spec(s) and able to hold you're own within a ranked match/regular warzone. -Must be able to communicate under pressure and play with a group mentality. Any further questions regarding PvP can be directed towards Shade-starr or Banksy, in-game whisper/mail or here on the forums. (PvE Requirements) -Must be able to make our raid times/days(once raid team is formed and times are set). -Must have raiding experience in the latest content. -Must prepare yourself before the raid so first pull can start on time. Any further questions regarding pve can be directed towards Shade-starr, in-game whisper/mail, or here on the forums. (Process) For <Mad Cuz Balance> Ask for Shade-starr, Banksy or Daijoubu in game and we can set up a interview/trial for you, during that process we will get to know you as a player/person and you will have to run a handful of regular warzones (win or lose) with us to see how you communicate and play with a team. For <Mad Cuz Nub> Again ask for Shade-starr, Banksy or Daijoubu and we will get you in. Again I would like to stress that MCN is a PvP guild recruiting players of any skill level so there aren't any strict standards. You will run with MCB members often and we will be there to help you with any questions and give tips on gameplay. We will be culling the better players, as they get there, from MCN into MCB. Thanks for showing interest in our two guilds we hope to hear from you soon!.

AND Cascading Debris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Depredating Volts. I mean c'mon it's freakin project storm and turns you into a Dread Lord instantly.

Great thread. I'm a hard core Rep player who watched his home server (JC) go from mostly balanced, yet still imp dominated, to tumbleweeds in the PvP area of pub fleet, slowly over a one year period (been playing since 2.5). With a particularly large loss of good pub players on JC at the end of season 4. A few days ago, after not being able to find 3 other decent pub players at a given time for 2 days to queue up yolos AND even advertising in pvp chat to queue up (which is generally a no no cuz bads with no gear queue), I could not get a pop and moved to Harb to yolo. While the pops are plenty on harb and regs are much better there compared to JC, yolos pubside are a complete joke. Having no friends when I got to harb, I just queued and queued and queued with probably 50% of the matches being a guaranteed loss at the start due to poorly geared and a few leavers/AFKers. Needless to say my rating TANKED. Now I'm not saying I'm even a great player, but I was good enough to hit 1670 in s4 after about 80 matches running Infil (80%) and tank (20%) exclusively in solos. I digress. So I kept queueing on Harb these passed few days and figured with my rating drop elo would start giving me better matches at least. Nope, kept facing the same high rating imps, Mosh, etc. I'm certainly better for the experience though. When factions are imbalanced, underpopulated and separated, in a solo elo system that groups you with other players, it isn't true elo. Period. There are 2 solutions to this problem. 1) It can't be said enough times: X-faction for solo ranked queue ONLY. These are Hutt organized skirmishes for sport. To paraphrase huttball: "collected at RANDOM, from ACROSS THE GALAXY". There is no reason lore or otherwise not to cross factions for solo ranked arenas. This will also kill syncing and win trading/throwing or at least make it much harder and give a truer representation of RANDOM SOLO QUEUE. 2) Due to the small number of dedicated Pub PvPers overall, we need to decide on and move to a single server and have it be the THE N/A server for Pub PvP. The only possible problem I can see to too many Pubs on a single server, in which case we might want to split them between east and west. I dunno. I kinda see Harb as the best option just due to the ping that Aus/NZ/Asia will get on an east coast US server and bastion is super dead (I say this with a heavy heart as I love JC). Another survey should be done similar to the one Krea did for PvP overall.

May his pink diaper of glory and bare back shoulder cannon live on in our broken hearts. </3

Apologies. Badly worded. My "has a clue" definitely wasn't meant to infer that you don't. Sure the benefit for juggs is that def/resist would apply to all damage types and the 3% additional DR adds to what is already good base DR and with self heals and great GCDs (albeit having long CDs). KCs mitigation stats of course off set this in PvE. For PvP though... I guess I'm at a loss for what to do. I've also noticed a few pvpers blame you and kbn for shadow tanks losing their self heals bla bla bla... which is ridiculous. The change to DR was definitely needed. As someone who's raids casually but with a good group I'm 7/10 HM ops. I definitely used your and kbn's guides/input and greatly appreciate the time you and he put into the shadowsin community.

I posted a little bit about this in the PTS sub-forum which will be wiped in a few days so am re-posting it here as it relates: and and As someone who mains a Shade/Sin Tank in PvP and has a clue... http://i.imgur.com/xXSjego.jpg (.6m/1.6m) http://i.imgur.com/TGD8AOI.png?1 (SS taken by a friend on imp side I'm the 1.4m/1.4m shadow) Okay where to start. PvP =/= PvE. Aelanis, The 4% DR on dark prot/shadow prot is only there to help off set DR difference that Shieldtechs and Immortals get PASSIVELY. Even then its still behind just in sheer DR from armor rating. However, if you are just following the above rotation as a shadow tank in PvP you are doing it wrong and your healer/team with suffer greatly for it. There are so many other things you will have to fit into your "rotation" to do your job correctly, that aren't part of you "rotation": Overload on CD, Spike on CD, Whirlwind on CD, Electrocute on CD, Force Slow on CD, Force Pull on CD (I know this is part of PvE opener but in isn't used again unless you are at range from boss and can do nothing else for threat anyway), CyberNades on CD, phase walk plant for smart teams that try to punt/pull you away from your team and finally against a good team 2 guard swaps every 10-15s (when I say "on CD" I mean "almost on CD" as it's purely situational). Fit this and a plethora of being stunned/physics-controlled in to your rotation and yes it becomes a challenge to keep up DR that is still less than what ST/Imm tanks have PASSIVELY. Do I manage? yes I do. Well that's okay you say, 'cause KC/Dark gets higher Def/Shield than the other 2 and 10% I/E DR. The 10% I/E DR is great. Defense is useless given the damage profiles in PvP and that only 2/18 dps specs are M/R heavy, the rest being mostly F/T with a few that are 50/50 FT/MR like Infil & Sab. Shield/Absorb have also lost a bit of value since 3.0 with every dps spec handed a set bonus autocrit every minute and in addition to near and total autocrit abilities already in the game like Force Po and Laze Tgt. (As a side note AP never should have been given it's autocrit on cell burst, should have been railshot, but that's a rant for another time) This autocrit/near autocrit meta de-values shield/absorb as crit chance pushes shield chance down (even to 0) where they overlap on the RNG table. So great! KC/Darks are the kings of Def and Shield Chance!.. which hold little value in PvP vs pure endurance and frankly the addtional pressure you can put on the enemy with 56-57k health in high endurance dps B mods and enhancements. Your shield chance will still sit at 35% with Ward and Def at 17% with Fort Stim. Sure mits help a little bit. I did a ttk test on my KC Shadow in dps gear vs tank gear at appox the same health levels droping 1 ear and implant on tank set to get the health levels to match and both setups had fort stims and tank set also included tank relics dps set had dps relics. Health was around 47k for both. The attacker was a buddy in infiltration as I feel that spec has the best variety of damage types. While he attacked me from 100-0 I kept Ward refreshed at 18-19s, pop'd Battle Readiness at 85% hp (for DR) and Force Po (for whatever my shield chance was in both cases to take advantage of the additional absorb). I also had him use his three stuns during his rotation as you are stunned a lot in PvP and as tank will take the 30% DR util. Each attempt he had his Force Po and setbonus autocrit ready. After 10 attempts and a stopwatch in each gear set, the ttk difference, mits vs no mits, was 2s avg. overall ttk varied between 20-25s. I didn't bother with Deflection as the % increase in Defense is the same and isn't impacted by other stats (like absorb is for shield) and the uptime it is low at 12s/120s. I also didn't use shroud for obvious reasons and has no impact on mits. I plan to do more thorough testing when 3.3 drops and gear pricing drops and I can get full and proper sets of the high end b mods, etc. The net result is that shadow tanks are the mitigation tanks where mitigation doesn't hold a lot of value in PvP, with the best tank stats being endurance and flat DR. In order for us to keep up some of our DR we are pressed into a rotation that partially inhibits us from doing our primary function in PvP, PEELING. Sure this meta works great in PvE as your natural threat rotation maintains your DR, with only slight interruption to it here and there. And that damage profiles in PvE respect mitigation. My best suggestion would be to have mits overwrite crit chance on the RNG table where they overlap. This wouldn't effect PvE as iirc bosses don't crit, but have a scripted amount of damage that either gets mitigated or doesn't based on RNG. Self heals back wouldn't hurt either, the other two tank classes have them, but I'm not sure if this tips the balance in PvE. As far as KC getting a damage nerf, they better start with ST first 'cause... R.I.P. FATBERT http://i.imgur.com/QODowIJ.jpg 3kdps2gud:eek: #FOTMVGTANKS:( oye! Lastly, shadow tanks are the only tank class without a spamable aoe slow. Immortals and STs both get spamable 50% AOE slows. This is a big advantage over a 30% AOE slow on a 10s CD + single tgt 50% slow on a 12s CD. 50% Slow on lacerate? Plox? or up the slow on Slow time to 50% to be on par. Looking forward to any other ideas or tests. Hopefully we can get the devs eyes on this for a more balanced scene in PvP without impacting a balanced scene PvEwise.

Type - Warzone Toon - Shade-starr Class - Shadow Category - Overall protection Record - 1615569 Rank - 4 http://i.imgur.com/xXSjego.jpg

... again?

a) Thanks for doing this. b) I have 1 set of the "3 little piggies" drop parts, that I never got around to using. Could you use them for this? c) Both factions can take advantage of this? Lastly, any plans on a fleet datacron run?

Dude. Leth is probably the best 1v1 SPEC in the game. Any burst buffs to this spec would warrant healing nerf. I mean. I seen a couple dudes play this spec very well. I think the only thing the spec needs is a better dot spread mechanism. Cuz carbine/volly pretty useless. I think this spec is highly underrated/under-utilized. 2creds2gud:rolleyes:

But they should. I will be very disappointed if there isn't an entirely new feel to the game like "we're on the brink of destruction". Not "business as usual" on fleet "oh look, empire/republic are fine". l mean dat trailer doe. Make us feel it. And for instanced WZ its very easy to randomly chose one of the two teams as fighting for the eternal emperor, either through recruitment or enslavement (put slave colars on their necks), to keep the war feeling. And then boom, you can do away with all training simulations, period (pukes everytime he hears "isn't this fun?" in VS) . Huttball and 4v4 can remain as organized by the hutts "at random, from across the galaxy". Hutts don't care where you came from, they want their creds and entertainment. OW PvP will never be a thing in this game cuz engine. I mean let people flag and have their ***** and giggles and RP stuffs if they want. But really pvpers in this game don't give two hoots about OW PVP. What we do care about is competetive matches, balance, win-trading/throwers/trolls reduced, some new maps/content. The existing maps could minimally be reskined slightly to match the new war for levels 60-65 really would only be 4 maps. This would be emersive and amazing.

Heh I chucked. But I agree. There is everything to gain and nothing to lose by merging all group content. Now that they are firmly not at war and factually, neither faction really exists (only destroyed remenants), with the rise and dominance of this third faction. The community wants this. The story and lore now supports it. Pvp, fp, ops, gf, gsf all benefit.

actually, you can't even run. You just sit there.

How is it? PvP on JC went from being well balanced faction-wise to nothing but care-bear baddies and pve heros pubside over 1 & 1/2 years, and well, my back hurts. Yolos? 4s? Regs? I have both Rep and Emp toons but would prefer to play the faction that doesn't resemble Nazi Germany.

You might want to take a look at <VETS> they're mostly ex-military and play both imp and pub side. Although I don't think they really RP.

Hey primos, i keep missing you when you're on. I'll gladly tank a 4s team with you although you might be better off with a fotm shield tech tank.

Regardless, they're awesome. Had one of my funnest huttball matches to date with them in mids. We kept throwing the ball to the enemy, then blowing him up to get the ball back repeatedly, over and over and over. Imps kept quitting but there were plenty in the queue to backfill. You could tell those backfills were really really confused. Yeah kinda trolly I guess but pure gold. XD /subjectchangeoff