This is from someone who only solos in this game - Whilst a lot of people may like this I suspect it is a short term thing and running through your full story in a couple of days gives what - a little over 2 weeks content. The amount of work required to do this, and then tune it correctly is probably not worth it from a developer point of view.

In response to Polyneux Nice diatribe there mate. The problem as I see it is that an expansion is vitally important to an MMO, especially the first one. Why, well usually all updates are aimed at the end game level so if many people don't buy it then to be perfectly honest what is the point in them continuing to sub? In WoW there are a small number of people who stick at certain expansions, because they prefer that content, however WoW has the population to be able to carry that off, unlike SWTOR. If BW/EA mis-manage this expansion it is my opinion that a large expansion, including space/class quests and all the stuff that people are looking forward to will be years in the future, if ever.

Is Tatooine the same size as Northrend, my perceptions are sometimes off but I suspect not, in fact no where near in my opinion. However if we for a moment believe that it may be the same size in total, remember you can only visit half of it as either faction whilst Northrend is open to both factions, therefore effectively twice the size even in the unlikely event that you are correct.

Early acess doesn't bother me at all so yes I'm waiting.

In other words a standard expansion minus:- a. Flashpoints b. Operations c. Warzones d. New class e. New race f. News on existing professions g. No new profession h. What is their vision for existing content i. Any new daily area j. Any new exciting gameplay not currently in game Whilst I wouldn't expect much of this to go into a $10 expansion they really need to answer f and h for me. Oh yes SGR in a paid expansion only, WTH is that? Something promised as coming from launch that is still not as much as opposite gender romance got at launch, good going there on selling that.

Oh dear, whilst I agree with you and haven't pre-ordered myself, was there any need to make another thread?

Making people pay for SGR, a new low perhaps?

If you drop down to preferred status then this will reduce your XP and you wont have to control yourself for WZ's as the game will do that for you.

1, 6 and professions kept up to date.

Games I've played don't ask you to pay until they've done this part in bold

Sounds both shady and wierd to me. Wierd - I play this game for story and professions and I'll be able to level to 55 but won't be able to make create any items that are above level 50? Sounds strange and unlike any game I've ever played before. Shady - If they were to include an Op then a F2P person paying $20 would be gated out of something that they were buying. This sounds shady at best, illegal at worse. I therefore suspect you're thinking correctly and the first 6 week content patch following the 'Expansion'will be an Op, which gets around this issue. I wouldn't be suprised if they introduce new NM flashpoints based on existing ones only, with 'new' Makeb FP's being introduced as content patches. Only my opinion based off the information so far provided.

QFT but when I buy an expansion I expect to get, well an expansion

God I hope so but as they didn't even say 'new level recipies for crafters' and the fact that current BiS will be viable at the 55 end game (or so it appears), meaning new gathering materials are unlikely, suggests not

Agreed, I may, I may not, who knows - not me at the moment - we shall see.

What's the point of this thread we know their is no class story coming in this release and have known for many months, since the Hickman interview?

I'm guessing it will be on the cartel market for 1800 coins by the end of August.

I think what the OP is saying is that it would be a shame if they use Makeb instead of a six week update so that if you didn't buy it you would be waiting 12 weeks for your 'free' update. My opinion, don't worry about it, - if you don't buy Makeb then practically every update (events/PvP maps excepted) will all be aimed at level 55's so you won't be able to do the new content anyway. Providing a level increase basically screams out loud, buy it or go prefered status.

I also approve Kaskali's message.

Allowing professions to expand to make items usuable for level 55 characters. These items should be available without group play i.e. either from trainers or daily comms and require re-engineering to create their best stats. Not re-grading (new NM is ok) existing FP's to the new level.

I quoted by price off 4.255 litres to the gallon, I may be wrong though

Actually I see this as a 'light hearted' way of dissing those who won't pre order but ....... on topic - 6 litres of gas (UK prices), thats under 1.5 gallons for our American brothers/sisters .

You bet wrong and if you had read some of my other posts you would know you are wrong, but go ahead and hate on all those who have an opinion that is different from yours Copied from the 'did you buy' thread so you can see my main reason for putting it off.

Correct the opposite is true, that's why it's called an opinion. Neither are right or wrong, we have different opinions. My understanding of how marketing should work, when you ask for money, is that you provide your customer with a overall picture of what is changing and not a 'well further details to follow', which could mean (not that I think it does) telling you the release date.

Never played SWG but from what I understand a new planet in a sandbox MMO will usually have some unique elements to further the sandbox experience. I will hold off deciding whether to buy the expansion until the times that you say but will not hold off judging it as it is already up for sale. In my judgement it is lacking.

In your opinion it's an expansion, in mine any others who have posted on these boards, the information currently given by EA does not meet our criteria of an expansion. Just because you/EA say it is doesn't make it so.