All I was suggesting was that your selection of 'less infuriated subbers' could have been better than one that says 'nice post paowee' and 'don't like it wait and see how it develops instead of posting criticism - when the CM specifically asked for feedback', There have been a number of well constructed posts on both sides of the arguement, as well as more inflammatory ones but your limiting the selection to 2 posts that actually give no constructive feedback in there own right is baffling. This suggests that you have an agenda to try and close down any criticism of the change with this post. This is just my observations.

By less infuriated you mean those that agree with you, OK.

Probably because they are defending the game, similarly I've never received an infraction when doing that only when I raise concerns.

Err no, if BiS gear was available on the CM it could be bought by player A, sold on the GTN and bought by player B, hence in your definition not P2W. I'm not saying that this will happen just pointing out how strange I believe your definition to be. It's only P2W if it isn't BoE by your logic, or so it appears to me

So by your definition if BiS gear is sold as BoE gear on the cartel market it isn't pay to win, or more likely, if they put in a way that you can grind cartel coins (a rare drop for example) nothing is pay to win because you can technically grind to buy it?

Except it isn't really it's recognition for buying packs only, someone can spend many cartel coins without buying packs.

Well I looked on dulfy.net and according to that the synthweaver trainer is selling orange sets but no green, whilst the armormech gets nothing. No re-engineering that I can see between 51-55 unless it's for mods.

One persons definition of P2W does not make that definition true .................... just a spam thread

Yes I think it is time for me to call it a day also, even though I still have to finish the BH story, and haven't even done the JK story yet. Reasons - 1. I don't raid or PvP in this game but look more at professions and levelling alts. It is obvious from the PTS that professions are now wasted with no more non-moddible schematics for armormechs/armstech/synthweavers - only adaptive/mods/enhancements/augments. I've spent hours re-engineering for the correct purple designations but they are no more it seems. I therefore won't be buying RoTHC and therefore there seems little point in remaining subbed as any new content will be no doubt aimed at level 55. 2. The lack of class story in the new 'Expansion' is to me unacceptable but I could have overlooked it if I believed that the direction the game is going was OK. As an 'alter' I love rep grinds and the like as these are things for me to do when I reach max level, but the decision to put in a rep grind based off of cartel packs is in my opinion unconcionable and kills the game for me. Whether people call it pay to win or not, I don't care it is content gated from a subscriber in my opinion. I may log in in a few weeks and try F2P to finish the stories, but will not be spending another cent. So long guys/girls it was fun whilst it lasted.

Well by your definition of P2W how can BiS gear be P2W if it can then be sold on the GTN for credits? Just curious as you seem to use this defence alot.

You really don't need to be a stealth class for any H2, although it may come in handy, what you need the most is a 60 second cc.

You obviously don't live in the UK

As you say it also says 'The level cap increase to 55 is included with the purchase of the Digital Expansion, Rise of the Hutt Cartel.' So yes it will be there but in the same way that I cannot complete HM flashpoints at level 45 I won't be able to do these 55's at 50. OK, I'm assuming you cannot enter them, maybe you can, but you won't be able to complete it.

What's confusing, the update is available to all but if you do not qualify for it you cannot access it. It states the level cap comes with RotHC as you state in your post so the new Op and level 55 HM will be unobtainable as you do not make the level. I temper my post however because BW often don't say what they mean

Dev tracker

Not quite right I think - New level 55 Hard Mode Flashpoints: Hammer Station, Athiss, Mandalorian Raiders, and Cademimu plus the new Operation: Scum and Villainy will not be available without the expansion as they require level 55 and it says 'The level cap increase to 55 is included with the purchase of the Digital Expansion, Rise of the Hutt Cartel.' Legacy stuff, new abilities, NiM TFB, increased professions, etc. seem to be available to all.

Not long until the Spring so we can start this all over again

If you are a ranged character it is easily soloable at 14, not sure about melee though.

This is true if you only quest, however throw in a few warzones, a FP and naybe do some space you can end up much further ahead, especially early on. When I did the daily space missions that weren't grey I was usually just about to out level the next planet if I skipped the bonus series. The number of times I skipped Nar Shadaa, apart from my class quests can be counted on more than one hand.

I found that a scoundrel (I assume an IA works as well) is good, especially as a healer. I use Risha and there is little we cannot blast through. I moved to Dalborra recently so have little presence on my characters however a Scoundrel is a good choice because - Even as a healer DPS is OK and running with a DPS allows quick kills - I can heal her through any gold, champion I come across - I can stealth - I have 2 different 60 second cc's to solo those H2 and many H4's - with Risha I can use the same armour blue/purple armour by using armormech, or mods if you are a cybertech.

We agree on this.

I healed up at the med centre; I put my companion on passive; I road out to a group of 4 normal mobs; stayed on my bike until either knocked of or dead; did not fight back; I ported back to the med centre to repair. Did it twice with each toon and the results were within 10-20 credits each time. Just so you know.

Did you even bother reading both of Cleet's posts fully, or did you stop at the lazy bit? If so get past that and read it, as there is an awful lot of truth in what he is saying.

Yeah difficult to argue with the truth, but meh, you all still keep trying.

You've got me confused. You're willing to spend 1m+ credits to buy one enhancement/mod but you're not willing to spend 300k in an attempt to down a boss and get a piece of gear with an enhancement/armor/mod of equivalent level? Strange logic.