The problem comes down to gear and how fast people can get it. If illum was faster to get gear by killing and attacking or defending than bgs people would be out there attacking everything thats red. However, this isnt the case. BGs are the best way to get gear with the supplement from Illum. Long story short, it isnt benefiacal to kill the other team in open pvp as it hampers your actual progression. Design Flaw.

WE can have real information roaming around on the internet sir.

I remember it all and will still take that game play and long mezz and EVERYTHING THAT WAS WRONG WITH DAOC , over the current model of BGs for gear. Ive seen people hate on daoc because it wasnt a tourney game capable of being competitive. I dont disagree that it wasnt a tourney game but i would put any of those top 8 man teams against some of the modern mmo people.

People want what devs give them. Before there was a reason to PVP Wow had TM SS. The real question is can people make a game that ISNT going to be for the masses and have daoc style game play? I think it can be done but you have to accept it isnt going to be a million sub game.

I think the most interesting part of the article is the last sentence. Not hinting is fact but... Soon TM

That armor isnt helping you against an Op

It doesnt matter what you say or how you tell people. All they see is a number, not the buffs not the group aspect of play. This is no different than Reck->zerking wars from vanilla wow when they would get 10k crits on people.Im expecting a knee jerk over nerf.

Really? REALLY?

Yeah about that

Are you going to sit there and tell me that you dont change to Dark Charge -> Guard -> taunt to save someone? That literally will hsut a dps down thats attacking another person

The UI delay is the real killer (short of the ops). Interrupting can sometimes be a hassel

Pretty much this.

You left a buff off so he could 2 shot you. Next time sit down to in your duel.

They spent the pvp half on VO

And now i have to make a smuggler ....

Wow someone that understands how balance works. /salute

People are looking at it from the perspective of a single target heal i think.

THe difference is players can see the Marauder and think they can fight with him. There are plenty of classes that can line up big hits. Assassins/Shadows for one Snipers/Slingers another. They just dont like that we do it as a time our our choosing.

3 skills ? What a stealth bar does is allow for easier comboing of abilities so instead of losing a potential bind you can get 3 uses out of the same bind with one key. I mean if we had like 4 openers and 3 other abilities to use in stealth i could see the need but for 3 abilities i dont know if its needed currently. Not to say that i wouldn't want that ease of use.

Snipers/GUnslingers Then Ops/Scoundrel healing

From this thread outside the people that said GW and Wow it would seem that instanced pvp is actually NOT the way to go. Alot of nostalgia going around rembering that time they defended that base in planetside or that base in Dark are or that base in Shadowbane or that base in linage 2 or romaing around in the different worlds killing other groups.

They removed necks long ago (before NF). PLenty of 8 man groups fought zergs to see how many they could kill it was fun when i did it.How it works now i have no idea. Buffing classes used other things later in the game to make them useful. Buff shearing and rebuffing in combat where the mark of those classes as well as back up healing rezzing etc. Combat was adjusted at some point but then they made new classes that were just as op (BD Animist Warlocks etc). I remember it fondly and still would put up with some of the **** that was in before the NF/RP overhaul (maybe not det tank groups and not the CC that lasted forever with no dr). However, even with all its imbalance and stupid nerfs that ruined classes i still say that it was the best open world pvp system ive seen.

Troll post is troll post.

Ive done plenty if thing with 4 people where we didnt say in chat wow this would be so much more efficient with voice chat. Sorry you missed the vote is was last tue.

Many things work in smaller communities that look good on paper in larger games. People wanting to accomplish the same goal in pve usually have voice chat and as such are better able to coordinate. Same with small group pvp. However, with what we have here where different people are moving in and out of pvp (and to some extent pve) many with their own groups would ignore any voice chat. While the resource usage to drop an interface in to the game may be small there are many other glaring issues that need to be addressed before implementing new features.