I think that we should get into a mind set that combining servers is either NOT going to happen or, if it is, it is a Long ways off from being implemented. I am currently on a dying server. The only diehard pvp guild on the pub side is "Watchmen" and the other one on the with side are "Exogenesis" both of our guilds are stoked to get cross server, why? Because we are going to be the only ones that are going to be making any kind of premades for rated wz. We are the only ones now that religiously make 4 man premades for what we have available now. It would be a very safe bet that only our pvp guilds will be the only ones making premades which will really screw us over , if non cross server, since we "watchmen" are not always on the same times as they are. Both guilds are ready to play other people that we can't face roll and want a great challenge. The only way this is going to happen is from a cross server solution. I understand completely how a server like maybe Harbringer or Fatman would be against this idea but, as stated by bioware beforehand, they will try to match up via your own server first. This implementation MAY not really "hurt" them as far as their sense of community. In my dilemma at my server we have no other choice BUT to look forward to a cross server solution. As it stands right now we are lucky to have over 60 on our pub fleet at peak times and have no way "out" of our situation in pvp. The problem in our community is that it there is not enough pvpers on either side. Let me say this: If I was on a serer that actually had more than 120 on our COMBINED fleets at the same time I would too be hesitant about the change but as I stand right now the moment of cross server play can't come too soon.

The force is strong with Halefthaut... I envisioned the same thing happened.

I'm glad you were not on the development team. Why even use stealth as an oh **** button if it only lasted for 5 seconds? How far can YOU run away in 5 seconds? So in other words I hit stealth (my oh **** button) try to run away in 5 freaking seconds praying they don't stun me, cc me to death before time is up far away enough that I'm not in a "combat range" (good luck with that btw) and you have to wait ANOTHER 30 seconds before you can stealth providing that not only the person that is targeted has far enough distance from you and you don't have another person that retargets you while you are unstealthed while running away, putting you BACK into combat...then just run away from the new guy for 30 seconds..(wash, repeat) and result you never get to stealth again. OR a better solution would just make the vanish cooldown a whopping 3 min. Wait a second that's how it is now! "you should only get out of combat if target you engaged in is either dead or way out of range." So I can only stealth after the target is dead (which kinda throws the oh **** button idea out of the window pretty quick) since I personally never had to use stealth on a dead guy before. You may not LIKE the way stealth works but my God your way of fixing it is broken beyond repair.

Please do not come to the forums with your logical thinking and common sense...they are not welcome here!

Let me tell you something right off the bat that will make your whole pvp experience now and later a lot better: Do NOT be afraid of getting whooped... Check out your class forums and learn some pvp builds, rotations, what skills are most useful (and some that can't even be used) in pvp and try to just learn from your mistakes. You'll do fine as long as you are willing to learn and have fun......and join a pvp guild lol!

I find this more impressive since you actually KILLED more than 20 people! You had 60 kills that match vs. the OP's pic with only 21 kills. That makes a LOT more sense. I broke over 600k in civil war yesterday but it was against a horde of healers massed in the center. I didn't die but I couldn't kill them either. I did non stop dps "mashing" till the game was over. I too hardly had any kills but the kicker is that we won the match!

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Let me guess......you have no friends and solo que..gotcha! You are describing a perfect "catch 22". I can't win at WZ but am against queuing with other people that I enjoy playing with and can help me get better at the game. OK, I may have seemed a bit harsh but seriously find others you can que with, join a guild, do something about it.

You made that assessment by someone just merely stating that they want to have more than 3 friends to que with? Seriously? Where did he say that he was being pwnd?

If you like getting the adrenaline of playing against live opponents and not computers then you should definitely give it a try. To me, in my personal opinion, the difference is like playing a fighting game, by yourself, against a comp. vs. playing against friends..much more fun!

I really hope, Hope, this is a troll post and nothing more. If this isn't I can tell from your comment that you don't belong to a pvp guild or have not made friends with any diehard pvpers on your server.

I tip my hat to that assassin. That was actually very smart.

I sincerely feel for ya! That sucks to be sooo close and not get it. Hopefully they will extend the deadline for the cruisers for a little while till the put up the Rated WZ.

I have to agree with others that posted here already saying that maybe changing your frame of mind would be best for those that are getting "stressed" about the grind. I pvp for fun, I never do any Pve content and never plan to. I will get my gear by simply doing whatever I am doing for fun now anyways.

It doesn't stop 100% of damage for 30 sec. High burst dps can tear through it like paper in a couple hits. the cooldown for reapplying the buff is 20 seconds.

They are saying that because you have to be specced into your procs that buff an attack or lower the force power needed to use certain attacks at better efficiency and you wont even get some great abilities till you start getting maxed out in points. I think, as i stated a few posts ago, that rotations are the number one thing to learn period. If you are using a good rotation for a level 24 that enables you to use your attacks that you do have at your disposal effectively you will have less frustration than someone like the OP that tries to spam Shadow Strikes.. (nothing bad intended against the OP but using that as an example)

To answer your question in short form..absolutely. If you have the standard rotation of 2 clairvoyant strikes. Then pop force potentcy, Battle Readiness, and either your Rakata attack adrenal or expertise addrenal You will get close to that damage on your project and usually over a 5k crit on your force breach. I'm a valor 71 shadow in full battlemaster gear so it may just take some time before you start getting my types of numbers but they happen very reliably. In order to get high damage like that you do need to focus more on getting more power vs. willpower. If you have any more questions me or shinarika can help alot (we are the 2 shadow players in our pvp guild.) Just a heads up about gear...Do NOT get the battlemaster sabre. Your champion is the one that you will stick with since the BM sabre actually gives you a drop of over 70 in power alone. That is the reason why you will never see us run with the BM sabres. Do not use the relics that increase surge/crit..go for the power ones as well. Be sure to check out Shins new tutorial vids for more in depth help. I'm just trying to get you some info to get you on the right track with some quick tips.

As defensive cds a shadow does have deflection, and resiliance. The force cloak is more of a "oh ****" I'm going to die and have to escape button. Where as a non stealther will have defensive cds that will actually mitigate damage to some degree. Thus making their defensive buffs more viable in "uptime". I do disagree that the force cloak is a real defensive buff since we aren't going to use it unless in dire need (I'm speaking in terms of WZ use). In other words imo we don't really have much as far as active defensive abilities. As far as the stealth goes...yes the stealth is good if you are INF spec but sucks bad if you are not specced for lower detection. As far as being the ones enemies won't see and open up on first you can make that argument for any kind of stealth in the game. If this was such a game changer most of us would just use full dps infiltration and get the lower detection with a nice force regen buff, which unfortunately, is not viable as a shadow tank. spec.

I can see the argument on both sides. I have full BM gear that I worked hard to get but at the same time I could care less if everyone had the "same level" of gear. I am very, VERY interested to see what is going to happen when people will not have gear to blame.... I pvp because i like to do it. Again, I see both sides of the coin in this argument though.

And this info is based on?

You have either only played against world class Dps Shadows or the worst Dps Guardians if you truly believe that.

Reread the OP's post... He NEVER said anything about using 2 halves of different trees, just using different gear than what you are "specced for". I don't think you got the point of the post. He is being sarcastic about people complaining.

There are two groups of people in this thread: If you are the one that usually carries the huttball=you hate cc. If you are the one that usually attacks the one that has the huttball=you love cc. I'm not being completely serious btw..

+1 I was going to make a post on this forum but it seems like you pretty much wrapped up everything I was going to say..and probably better than I would have anyways!

For someone that "doesn't care" about what other people think you sure do come across as awfully angry. Did someone personally attack you in this thread?