This is actually what guild wars is doing. No difference in gear in their version of WZs. World PvP does have gear disparities. Although, if you look at the current set of gear. Once everyone gets BM level pvp gear, which is pretty easy to do. War hero is only about a 5% upgrade from there. So, pretty soon everyone except new 50s will in fact have the same stats.

You realize there is quite a large difference between "overnight" and 2 weeks for one piece right? You had to be really, REALLY, unlucky last patch for it to take you this long. Right now its nothing but a grind. 3 months+ of constant warzones, 4 hours a day, every day to get all your gear. im guessing it doesnt take 300 hours to get a full set of raid gear.

Maybe hes talking about how you need to do 4-5 hours of WZs every day for 2 and a half-3 months to get a full set of war hero.

You may be right. I didnt factor in dailies. Cause I have no idea what the rewards of them are. I cant imagine them taking off more than 1/5 of the time. The ratio depends on how many WZs you actually will do a day.

You realize thats over 8 hours of WZs every day for a month right? That I was being generous, And that there are other things you do in game besides being in a warzone, even if you only do warzones?

On the matter of PvP just for the sake of PvP. Isnt that exactly what Bioware is doing here? The difference between gear is so small as to be inconsequential. But the grind to get them, is huge. Why not just make everyone have the same stats when the difference after 1.2 in stats is going to be small? I would argue its because they know they dont currently have the content to support that. And it doesnt look like they will anytime soon.

sounds like a good way to focus on server community. on it mattering who your teammates are, not who you are fighting. You are going to be against a new server every 3 weeks anyways. Maybe this thread is getting off base by talking to much about GW2. But I really think they are doing PvP right. Bioware had a big feedback about what players wanted from world pvp, while i didnt post all I was thinking was "I hope they just take a look at GW2". Its not like they didnt take a painfully long look at wow... =0 (and why wouldnt they?)

From a guild wars developer "“… it’s never OK for players who spend money to have an unfair advantage over players who spend time.” I wont post the link, because i have no idea what the forum mods would think about posting a link to what will be a serious competitor, but your misgivings on micro-transactions are misplaced. GW2 is going about making money for their game in a completely different way. Using a number of methods.

Content driven PvP (GW2) will always be better than grindy, repetitive pvp. Carrots are less necessary IMO, when you have actual methods to promote competition. GW2s "Warzones" will be entirely about competition, and learning your class. The world PvP will be about getting carrots. Oh and about complete warfare over multiple zones with multiple objectives to dominate other servers through coordination, strategy and skill. Sound like Illum's bridge farm? Thats because its not.

Then you sir, are not the average player of this game. Of course you will probably get it faster, but Id still bet its gonna be 200+ hours of WZs (not including waits and other play time considerations).

Unless you are always in a uber premade, you will just as likely be on the receiving end of those epic losses as the winning side. I would argue that my original numbers are less than the actual playtime required. If you were to consider all the factors (which im not going to waste my time doing, since everyone plays different). These numbers are just estimations of WZ play time requirements.

They took out the dailies that could be progressed through in Illum. There is now no reason to go to illum other than to fight other people. Something you can do ANYWHERE in the game on a pvp server. meaning its probably going to happen there about as often, and as randomly, as it does anywhere else in this game.

VR mean nothing now. You just need WZ comms for BM gear, and BM gear and a crap load more WZ comms for War hero.

Doubt it would be the first time people have played a lot of bad content. I know I have, I'm 72. Changing a system requires speaking out about it (true in all aspects of life, and all systems). Things could be better. I'm sure there's people in North Korea that consider themselves wealthy. I guess I'm one of them. But I'm looking at what seem to be much better prospects (GW2)

I agree that it is good that they are making it easier to get into PvP, to have a baseline of gear so as to not get roflstomped for 3 weeks like what was happening in the last month. But I wish they didnt accompany a gear floor so to speak with a massive progress grind through repetitive content. They should have left illum as it was. At least there was some reason to go there. Better failed world pvp than none, imo.