Hi all if any one can answer these would be great. On creating a new 60 that isn't on the legendary list I,E I have 5/8 and wanted to create one I don't have. if I do this will it add to the legendary status and then ill be 6/8 or so ? or do I have to do the full storyline in the original to get that ? ( if this doesn't make sense I know ) or should I just reroll a old class . And what do you get as a new 60 as in money wise , items gear companions so on . I'm wondering due to there is a lot that is missing if you just go poof here I'm 60 thing.

As for one who played from the begining on my jugg as tank and Dps screw the assassin they were stupid op with all there little craptastic skills they had . If a jugg tank is now on the same level and or more powerfull then it was like 6 months ago then good on us . And yes I have returned to the game in the past week and find my jugg almost the same as he was when i left a about 3 to 4 months ago and now seeing new things. I think the jugg is still fine. I have no love for the filthy dress wearing big eared smelly nerf herding double toothpick weilding nancy boys,now leave or I shall insult you for a second time. And by the way tanking is a a art form, not everyone can tank it takes time to be good at it , even if its a easy class to play or if it is not. there is more to tanking then just hitting buttons in a rotation .

I can say as a returning player whose been gone for a bit and did not have the gear and played a few level 55 warzones ,at which i thought i would get lulz face rolled on my sith jugg (currently rage specced ) and no damn gear at level 55. Which also I should point out all my war hero gear was garbage now found out that they took the expertise off of it which I only had 218 then it mysteriously popped up to 1800 dont know why . But I face rolled a few mara's with my crap gear . now Im not saying they sucked or anything like that or they wear possibly undergeared like me which they sure didnt look like it. But I seemed to hold my own and killed them as well as other classes. With that said I would say if you make a class depending on what others think you should play you will be unhappy and more then likely leave the game due to that unhappiness , play what you want and if they say you have to have this or that that , then in my book it is MMO Eliteism and well tell them to go pound sand . Do what you want play the mara or play the jugg be happy about it , Only way to get good at a class is to play it on the good and the bad only way to learn your limitations. When I first started juggs did not have the dps capability they have now they were used mostly as tanks in pvp then they started to change and now well people play them like maras with a few diffrent capabilities so learn the class that you like and not worry what some yo yo thinks you should be playing . Too old to care what another person says about how one should do things .

I find this laughable that people complaining on rage specced juggs and guardians is down right funny as hell . Nobody qq's about that class till now lolz , Hell half the time most people didnt even regard them as a threat they give them a boost in one of there trees for dps and everybody crys nerf lol . But the minute a carnage specced murader or sent comes flying at ya and tears ya down its ok there designed that way there supposed to be dps ( Which to me is that they for one have waaay to many defensive cd's for a dps class btw ) but not a jugg for god sakes not a jugg there just supposed to stand there and be cannon fodder for the ranged classes and the sins/shadows and sorcs tropper/bh classes . God FORBID if we actualy make them just a little viable besides being a immortal specced tank . Get over your selves , over come adapt to the situation and stop being a bunch of nerf herders about it . Thers plenty more of changes that happened in 1.4 then raging about rage juggs and muraders who are btw melle classes.And now your goign to see it switch up just liek the huge influx of shadows/sins and ops/scound so prepare thy selves

This guy had it spot on , what you are seeing is that the juggs/guards actualy being able to hit people now , granted they were before. But now they fixed it where people cant hop run or do something else with out being hit with it . Its the same rotations with just a slightly shorter cd added to it with the smash /sweep actualy hitting now. Instead of a wind up and and shimmy of the bad guy moving one foot , could make a smash totaly miss . SO what you are seeing and feeling is what was kinda already there, but fixed the animation to it so that it properly hits. All the other mechanics of cc'ing still apply to disrupting the jugg/guard thou.and granted the armor pen.

Heh and those who said it was fine and didnt see the bigger picture lol . I guess in next weeks episode on stun wars it will be that stealth + cc'ing is ok and everybody lived happily after.

And to think I always thought pvp in this game had 8 players from the opposing side, I guess im playing the wrong game then where chain stunning and multiple people either pulling, blinding, force choking,knocking back , knocking down,mezzing,slowing,fearing,forc pushing,overloading, did I miss any ? can happen more often in pvp match then should happen , And to think there going to make it so that it happens more often ( I really laugh at this ) . To those that think that 1v1 is pvp in pvp matches and to compare all that happnes to 1v1 it really doesnt work that way . Most games people are hit so fast and tore down before they can do any thing its ding hitting the rez bell and back out to do it again.Not too mention the endless amounts of cc's in this game that all classes have one way or another. With that some classes have better mechanics to get away from thses then others and some classes just cant compete when focus fired down in 2 secodns flat. And this garbage of oh just wait till your resolve bar is ticking down blah blah blah , you can do it you cna survive . I tend to think alot of people have no clue what they are really talking about. PVP is about multiple enemies hitting you at once and being taken down from multiple fronts not this imginary solo wolf I can kill any one in duel garbage. But overall I think its slowly becoming a game of stealthers and stunners and if you dont play one of these types and a combination of some type of stealth in your class make up your kinda well sol. Im starting to see alot more of this and So are the others I play with as well . Thers alot wrong with there resolve system and cc'ing and class blance issues and it seems the only ones that see it dont rightly play any more and or getting ready to leave and just barely hanging on hoping that it changes . Well some of them at least.

Just looking for soem info or maybe some one would be willing to make a guide for the ap se tup ? Just looking for info on it . Ive messed around with it on my bh that I have and done some reading but feel that im missing some stuff onit . Any help appreaciated.

Well for one Bw wants everybody to be in one big ball of stun stealth melle damge bar fight . With al the proposed changes to everything down to less then 10 m for one and then give stealth classes a speed boost and more stealth what u think they want to happen . Maybe one day people will actually put two and two together and really see the over all picture here . Stealth classes are going to be the ones in control you cant kill what u cant see if they run faster then u in stealth or out fo it, all other classes are meh at best compared to stealth and speed bursts . But in all fairness, in pvp speed and stealth make too much of a utility for one class to have and then add multiple classes having it doesnt even make sense. When u have 6 to 7 players all in stealth and vansih and reappear non stop and do what ever ,when ever and what ever they please to others and no hard counters to them ya good luck.Especialy when those can be tanks , healers and dps why even make other classes ? you have 3 classes that can almost do what the other classes can do but all with stealth and run speed thats loopy. Then couple that with pulls, speed, shields, invuls,and all the other garbage they can do it offests the actual game play. . It's going to happen and its already ramping up with more sins/shadows and ops/smugs . People are gravitating to those clsses for a reason.

Id like to say that this guy has it spot on . If gear wasnt such an issue and it was all about skill then why do people go for gear and itemize it so ? If it wasnt for gear , why not take all of it off and go naked in a wz? Gear has alot to do with it , Granted there is skill too but gear does take the place of skill when you can smash someone faster then they can stay alive for in 2 to 3 hits if you out gear them. PVP has always been about gear in most of the mmo's out there . To say it's not is complete bs . When people are min maxing gear and buying boots and gloves from other sets to make there wh stuff better and using armor pieces for set bonuses on other classes to gain advantage over others its a clear issue of the haves and have nots. Those that have the gear will kill those that do not and if they are grouped with other people who have the gear and are team minded ,it raises that level further. Granted alot of people are exceptionaly good at pvp which does equal skill in that sense , couple that with gear + skill , ya thats what seperates everybody. But I'll throw this out go into a wz with no gear and tell me gear does not make a diffrence. As well yes there are some people who dotn rightly know about pvp but you have to take in a few things . 1.is it there first mmo? 2 . How old are they ? young - old? 3. do they regualry pvp ? 4. do they even care of what it means to be part of a team? 5. Do they get turned off by elitist who think they are gods of pvp and tell them they suck and such in a wz because they didnt stay on the node and put out a inc ? 6.They dont live,breath,die,sleep,eat,brush there teeth with pvp ? 7. They are in to have fun? Theres proably more of course but you get the picture. And yes I agree I have come across my fair share of clueless but instead of trying to make them run away from pvp after a game we usualy try to help and point things out which in turns does help people in alot of ways. I for one still learn new stuff everyday and ive been doing mmo pvping for a good 12 years now .

Funny All these people complain about the pt vanguard , but really miss the HUGE picture in what really happend here. So let me sum it up for you this game is nothing more then stealth and stuns and thats about it . This is mainly for pvp pf course for thaose that dont well move along. But making it so that you can get rooted stunned blinded knock down kicked or what ever it is more often now and then buffing speed boosts and stealth on classses? Well good luck all . Nerfing the Pt/van its well silly they want a class that uses a gun to be melle which makes no sense at all , why even have a gun, rifle blaster? just give em a can opener or something? they turned this class into melle and well good luck being in the fray with all the other melle classes being stunned mezzed knockdowned kicked slapped blinded knockbakced, good luck. They put most of these classes that are counters to each other all with in 10m range to be zapped by all the range classes with cc's lol. I lulzed at 1.4

Well you also have to take into affect that the stealth jockeys will be ok in this game for thats all they know and play.When devs buff a stealth class that didnt need more stealth and speed boosts to the class , something is wrong. Sorry but I for see 1.4 is going to be a bad update for this game in alot of ways . PVP wise good luck with the stun wars and stealth wars cuz every little yo yo will want to play stealth and play a tanky that can stealth and heal and sprint and all that other garbage a class shouldnt be able to do all rolled up in one(they should have some of it not all of it ). And you think its bad now pvp is gonna be stupid with the amount classes in stealth most of the time. And a l2p issue is not the case here . Buffing stealth classes with more stealth is going to drive alot of the populace away.IF any thing they need to make cd's longer on it not shorter.

Funny how people complain on a class that really isnt broken. but oh well . As for tanks being in pvp there are plenty of uses for them and if they know what they are doing they become viable assests to a team. As for nerfs? A lowered cd on stealth and a run speed boost a nerf? And a rework of a skill tree? All I See now is more of the stealth jockeys all over the place cuz when 1.4 hits its nothing but stun and stealth and if you all think other wise better look at the big picture on that one. If any thing they gave the stealth classes the wrong thing which is more stealth up time and more speed. Ya thats what we wanted in our classes for balance to make them faster then others more often and be able to hide faster ya thats a good plan.

Thye should call this game Stealth Wars , form what they have said. gurantee it your gonna see people hitting and leaving more and more, stealth classes every where now. . You thought it was bad now with all groups of stealthers now? they gave them a increase in there ability to use it more often so ya good game on that one. And with that when u got back stabbed on your sorc or hit from behind your knock back is in front of you lol ya that was good design there. And with changes made to vanguard/powertech funny that people really say that there a mellee class with a gun that kills me . I do not know of any gun that only shoots to 10 m and that taking away certaina abilitites to only limit them for bigger hits down below 10m in most cases. well those class got borked with your resolve system that was stated and other mellee classes as well if your going to get chained stunned up clsoe and personal , I wouldnt want to be a mellee class thats for sure. Ranged just became 2nd to stealth classes imho and moved mellee down. But Ill take it with a grain of salt and wait to see what really comes out I know this is just a prelude to whats coming but doesnt really look promising except for a merc interupt lol.

In alot of ways people going into wz's at 50 should be barred from the pvp until they get a certain amount of expertise .Too get in it should take the ( This is something that the devs have done not we as the players, they made there game dependent on expertise after 50 ) minimal,the 800 expertise . And the way they hand out gear now by just mailing you a little token for full recruit gear I dont see the problem with gettign that gear. It's beyond stupid easy to get it. Anyone who does enter the pvp arena after 50 with no recruit well there 1. not a team player 2. not overly brillant.3.set up to fail for some time. I have seen people in all greens and the low 12k health pools just get popped like ballons in a birthday party for porcupines. I know raids in most games require you to have certain gear before you can tackle that next step which this game has done , but for some odd reason pvp seems to be excluded from this concept.I know that people would not take fresh 50's in green gear into nightmare modes and expect that person to live very long . Why would we expect that in a pvp enviroment ? I know it's silly. But as stated the game is designed that way. we the players didnt make it ,but we do play by that rule they have set up for us.

Be funny to see how many would quit if they made stealth only last for a few seconds like the maras and sents. Would be intresting to see how many would just give up and say they broke the game blah blah blah , I cant hide and blah blah blah kill blah blah blah blah . Would be intresting . Too many mmo's use it , very few mmo's dont use it in there classes. Oh and to the op it has been a crutch in mmo's for a very very very long time nothing new really.

You all know we havent seen any thing yet till the f2p players roll in and get face rolled like fruit roll ups . wait till those threads pop all over the place . We will even see the sorc is op nerf lightning cuz it shocked me stuff just wait just wait.

Id like to see for example civil war actualy turned to where one node is right near the spawn and would have to make a push to mid if you understand what I mean then move forward to enemys node to cap it so forth . ( i know it might make the games longer) but it would change the strategy's up . Another is grave pds or something of that sort like low gravity games . But I do wish they would add one big giant 40( or something equivilant to that number) man pvp map . always did like those giant slug fests with lots o objectives to do . But in all there are sooo many options for diffrent types of games and otehrs are right we do need more of them to break up that same ones we get . I know the pvpers would like a bit more flavor in there pvp's .

I would say hoping for a nerf is not always the best thing , nerf this and nerf that is most cases a knee jerk reaction to something. What should be done is not nerfing but bringing other classes UP in line to others . This includes abilities with all classes. Granted some things need to be tweaked on some classes thats a given. But as it always goes the nerf bat swings in all directions just be carefull what you wish for.

Funny I can think of about 4 other classes that can be toned downed before a pyro pt or vanguard class. And ones that should of had it done some time ago . But hey opinions are funny that way arent they .

And its pretty funny that the devs and such said that this is what the players wanted was f2p so we could buy more crap from a cash shop. As I Have stated in other areas f2p is noting but a marketing ploy to get more money from people.from the paying subs or the f2pers there going to make more money even if some dont buy anything and take that stand , sooner or later your gonna buy that 5 dollar item which just made them an extra 5 from that month.If any thing or subscriptions should go down to $5 a month and then maybe we start talking on f2p stuff. A fool and his money are soon parted. And Im really starting to think of where I stand on that one and how it applies to me as we get further down the road with this game.As being a paying customer I can see clearly on the wall that there will be a ton of bs stuff thats going to be in that cash shop that even paying subs are going to have to buy , to me its silly and down right appalling in lot of ways that the devs and such think that I want to pay more money for stuff.Where as if we didnt have f2p we would get it anyways in updates like they used to do in the old mmo days. And Im not talking about wow.

Isnt it funny just crossed my mind that the mmo's we have out today are all doing this and now if a mmo were to come out and not do this f2p thing that somehow it would turn to be like the underdog of mmo's? But I think the prestige in being a non f2p mmo would attract alot more people in the long run if this were the case being solely the mmo that didnt cater to the almighty dollar.

pvpers in f2p are going to be limited in how many they can do so ya it will be a very long time till they get geared out. even if its like 3 a day for a week they will still be behind the curve ball for a long time to come. f2p is a marketing ploy to get more cash , human nature to have what others have when you have not so they will eventualy either A. leave B. pay for it .

I think the funniest part is that they said they talked to the player base and that's what we wanted was f2p lolz Anybody ever get a phone call on f2p? I sure as hell didnt. And I know I wasnt one who wanted f2p . All there little explanations from the poster is this , Its the sound of money driving there decisions not whats best for the player base and or the game . F2P is a marketing ploy to get new people in to get them salivating on the content and then hopefully they buy a subscription because of things they are limited too . If any one does not see that well I feel sorry for ya . Its just too bad that the main course is left overs.

Ok so say I got a level 50 legacy toons on one server and want to transfer one of them to another server do i loose all that legacy level and start anew ? or does it retain it as long as it was part of the original legacy when I transfer to new server?