I agree with alot of people in here saying give it a few weeks and alot of those yo yo's that been saying gw2 this gw2 that are gonna have the same thing as they do here . For one, once people figure classes out poof cry babies everywhere for some one is going to have all there classes nailed down and cookie cut it just as they do in every mmo, wow,aoc,rift,swtor,war,and the slew of others dont fool yourselves too much. If they say its skill based lol ya ever hear of programable keyboards and mouses and game pads? with macors that are not part of the game ? ya we shall see how skill bassed that goes. Its the same here with those items that people use and do. Now dont get me wrong if they have fun let em have fun but for the all that is holy stop saying that everybody is going to go to gw2 because of there pvp, didnt tera just come out ? didnt the tsw just come out? and now gw2? ya good thing I just breathed right there.

Hello kitty online adventure pirate island with cup cakes and frosting rivers with flying cotton candy unicorns? Silly me I totaly forgot about that one have fun there . Oh and btw if you cant name it your not doing it thats a common response to a person who doesnt have an answear good show . Talk the talk, walk the walk real simple.

So instead of making a post that stats that pt's are yadda yadda , and skew the story given , which you have done now it should be on the lines of . I Joined a fail WZ match and I lost end story . Trying to put it on the pt's for you joing a fail WZ is like saying operatives shot you and made you unsub . Its called misinformation and here you put in what really happend .

I see so when say sto , aoc. lotro , wow, and others you do the free to play up to certain points and that if you need to do anything beyond that which is a limited area and or playing experince you need to purchases so called areas to enjoy the game more. Its a marketing ploy to get you to play the game then with impulses that people have and ya humans have them just like impulse buying in a store , you want to buy that item so you can progress further. You cited examples but left others out . And with most games ya you pay for it when it first comes out , steam does offer discount prices on items for people to buy then happens all the time. But you pay for most of them . Now with team fortress you had to pay for that game when it first came(now its free) out to play it such as cod and battlefield once bought, no you dont have to pay to play on the servers. D3 was the same way but has implemented a RMAH for people to buy virtual items in the game which blizzard and pay pal get a 15 % cut of the real money that is used to purchase in game items . They do have the gold auction house but has lower quality items where as most people put the better items ont he RMAH thinking they can make $250 from a virtual item that is used in game. And if your using games that you play or something thats fine knock your self out champ. But there are alot of games out there that will look for the money any way they can or they fold up shop and no longer are around. SWG comes to mind with good game play in the begining but in the end eventualy died out. Eq 1 was good and lasted for many years but its not part of the top ones any more thus they have eq 2 and do the smae thing with f2p. Wow is still there but has the f2p to a certain point . Lotro is still there and is f2p but your limited in alot of ways in doing things if you dont purchase items from the store to progress like dungeons and or questing areas. These are to name a few examples . And if you are in favor of a f2p system then good luck in the future with it cuz you will either quit and go somewhere else or try the f2p and find out what im talking about and or stay with the game with a sub and use or not use a store that they implement in the future.

Oh and ya I have as well as many mmo's But if your talking first person shooters and such I guess they would be cosmetic. But in the real world which the rest of us live in and talking on the mmo area , ya its scheme to get more money any one with a real brain knows that if ( and here ill make it real big for you to understand ) If you pay for any thing beyond a monthly subscription you are getting soaked dry from the mmo company that made the game . Now if you cant see that paying $15 dollars plus what ever you use in the store is not going past $15 then I suggest you maybe go back to school and learn some economics and math .

Now i would agree to some points in pvp being some what fubared but id go in diffrent directions with it. As all these mass millions that are goign to flock to gw2 and such , I find to be such a huge bag of $#%@ . Gw2 is somehow the threatning manner that is gonna kill everything in the solar system and its not even gonna happen. Its funny that people keep saying this over and over and over again . But any ways to the op what did you expect if you ran up on 2 guys solo ? Let me guess your name is superman and you can kill the empire in one giant leap? I bet if you had 2 ops up there and you ran up there they flatten your butt in the same amount of time , or maybe 2 sins , even 2 mercs or 2 snipers . Just sounds like you used super poor judgemnet and well you got booboo's and this is how you justify pt's being op. to you sir I lulz , and I lulz loudly.

I for one would love to see stealth go bye bye, But I know the people who say stealth is a oh soooo major part of a game will all cry and think the world ended. I know of a few mmo's that stealth wasnt implemented into it . But most mmo's have it and for some reason over do the stealth in there games. I.E this game for one. It shold be a very limited option and not the focal point of a charecter or a class. too much is based on it and creates a huge advantage for the person who uses agaisnt no using stealth classes. I know I know throw out some opinonated data to make sure that the point is made and to justify stealth go ahead. But this is just my opinion here and doesnt reflect the 10% that use it. ( see what I did there ) I know I know but but but I cant play anything else but a stabby Mcstealthy to kill people cuz I die. But alas I know they wont so get past classes that have it on limited bases to those that live in it and think there uber elites because of stealth.

This is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO True right here. F2P is nothing more then a carpet bagging scheme to get more cash , its not really free to play per say , aye you can run around and such and look at the game . but you will have classes you cant make races you cant make, quests you cant do . Limitations where you can go , so on so on so on. Its a scam to get more money from people plain and simple. If they charge you $ 15 dollars a month for just a subscription and you get all this already . then they change it to a store + sub or store + F2p they will make more money then just $15 dollars a month from people . People who do f2p they will bank on getting hooked to actually play the game. People who play they are hoping they buy stuff from the store plus a sub so either way its more money . You don't want this game going f2p period.

Thers a few more to add in that by the way . Not fighting on doors or the nodes and having tunnel vison as to not see the people capping right behind you. Fighting 50yds from the node and or doors And doing the same as above. Think your superman and take down the forces of evil all by your self. << ive seen this sooo many times. People who just plain ole give up and go cry in the corner cuz they got a butt whopping . (Been on both sides of this one.Whole team standing on a node in alderan cuz they loosing. To me thats pathetic even if your lossing still fight so what you die so what its a game. And got to say kudos to those that still fight even when your loosing . Thats what people should have instead of Oh my bum bum got hurt now i go and cry.) But over all I know ive let loose a few times on peeps cuz of some reall stupid stuff that happens in a game.I try not too and try pretty hard to help others and be a guide some times but you do ge the know it alls and the little yahoos that call you some name cuz you said something . Those are the oens I look for when im on the opposite faction from them

well thers a couple of things on this 1. PVP gear at level 40 is a big step up from other gear in your 30's you can pre purchase this stuff once you start getting enough tokens and have it ready for level 40 .( I would also have extra pieces for say like belts and bracers((moddables)) that you can swap out armor and mod pieces in.) but id buy that gear well before 35 if I could 2. Keep your valor ranks on equal par with your level ( if you can dont let it go too far behind) prior to 40. 3. At 40 you can start to convert wz tokens over to 10 rated tokens for 30 regular tokens to save up to 3500 rated and 2000 regualr tokens at 50 . As well as keeping your valor ranks on par with level . 4. At level 50 you will have recruit gear now and all your tokens for turns in so you will be above par at level 50 on gear for pvp . your tokens will help you get bm gear which you can turn in for at least 1 warhero piece of gear right off the bat if you do it right. And save your money as well since all the augment thing is is place now.

Oh no dont doubt that there is vids and such I just liked the way you put it saying you were the end all of info on it and that you knew everything . I guess you didnt catch that part . but hey proof is in the pudding I suppose. Oh and name the servers name the guilds name the players and such that all require this , oh and while your at it make sure you go to all servers and tell everybody that thi is going on to make sure that its pretty well known. As well get on tv and make info commercials so that its pretty well known. Oh and mayeb emails to people that its pretty well known . Get my point there slick.

I hear rumors and propaganda here ? VIVE le Revoulution \O/ . hehe I like making things up too and just spouting nonsense where ever possible .

I saw a pt with a cape and a s on his chest the other day I swear. could of sworn he swaggered in with a girl under his arm as well with a pet cougar and driving a 8 door porsche.

See interesting things here where people tend to forget what other classes can do and what there capable of in a wz.. Sorc/sage - ranged class that can dot's and direct damage from afar. can also heal and use a bubble. has the sprint thing. Depending on what style you play ( and I know if u heal u get focused fire ,well its nature of the beast) can heal somewhat and run away and still do dps in other speccs. hard to kill if that player knows how to play them.( have played this class in healing and dps) Operative/scoundrel - uses stealth and quick attacks at close range is able to stun multiple times and do high burst damage, can also heal and cc extremely well . Depending on spec there heals are a lot of aoe heals and are very effective and can heal on the run. Unlike sorc/sage where a lot of there's is stationary. can shoot at range but not preferred do to there skill tree, which a lot don't use and some what has to be in melee range for anyways. Oh did I mention stealth . Also has some defensive cool downs. I.e Shield probe, oh did I mention stealth.Hard to kill if that player knows how to play them. ( have played both healing and dps for this class) Jugg/gurdian - this grouping is somewhat meh. I always liked this class set and do play it and i know they are not the kings of dps.I have one. if in immortal specc (tajnking tree )you have a lot of defense and cant really kill any thing but pretty damn near impossible to kill with a healer.has leap,guard and a slew of defensive cool downs,in the other trees they have a dps types which is within close range to muraders and sents . that damage is good in a skilled players hands. force choke force push ,smash aoe slow that is instant cast and spammable if specced correctly into it.Small healing now with newer patches same as the pt/van and sin /shadow counter parts which is on long cd and not overly effective.Hard to kill if that player knows how to play them.(have played tank and dps for this class) Muraders /sents - melee in your face high dps class that can leap and dish out dps very quickly. has a lot of defensive cool downs and can stealth away to get away.and then leap back to you ( using stealth drops your targets target on you which they have to reacquire if you come back at them) for all people that don't know this.and in a wz to pick up last target you have to have it key bound or tab like crazy person to get em back or what ever you do to reacquire target.they do not have to require target if they stealth out same as operative/scoun and sin/shadow. depending on specs do dps dots .dps direct damage and or dps high burst damage.and other little goodies that help team mates I.e can heal others but has to be specced for it and its minimal at best.can buff others through damage and speed burst.Hard to kill if that player knows how to play them.(have played this class) Sin shadow - tank, dps class with stealth , has a range pull( do believe tank form) ,can dps and use spells in some what manner as sorc with dots. has defensive cd's has a force run can attack from stealth I mention that one again and can disappear again. can stun you from stealth same as ops/scon. they can deliver high damage quickly if played by skilled player.can control a target also known as cc. And hard to kill if that player knows how to play them . tired to play class did not like it but have seen it in action very often. Also a tank that can stealth( which I believe if I am correct is that they don't loose the capability to stealth even if tank specced?) can guard others. Oh and melee class with short range attacks that are 10 m and can go to 30 m if popping there little recklessness thing . Snipers/gunslinger- ranged dps class has high damage most abilities and or shots are at 35 m not 30. has range advantage plus cover. knock backs and stuns defensive cd's in cover. and some what from when they leave cover. can specc into a dot tree that is pretty good dps as well, still keeping a lot of there knock backs and stuns. has to be stationary for most attacks if there mm or the gunslinger equivalent . Have not seen too many engineer types in the game so don't rightly know on that tree much nor have I tried it myself yet.has armor reducing shots btw . as well hard to kill if the player knows what they are doing. ( have played this class) Merc /comm - dps class with healing tree. I know this class a lot of people say that its meh and blah .But I have seen amazing things done with this class in the hands of the right players. they have to be stationary for most attacks but can spike damage if done correctly . the class is a support class in a lot of aspects and if there in the back ground and not being messed with can mess a team up for people who forget about them.( kinda the secret they have now) can heal, but can be focused fired cuz they do this( all healers in wz well ones Ive been in are either ff downed and or people not too bright in killing them as a priority) has shielding and skills to increase small damage mitigation. And if specced into it can reduce armor reduction.There pyro trees are nto the same as the pt/vang due to pt having the rail shot.but does not have the missile battery a merc/comm can have in reducing armor as well.Has a few cc abilities and aoe capabilities. hard to kill if played in the right hands.( have played this class) PT/Vang - has a 2 dps trees . one tank tree . has damage reduction only if tanked specc and or a hybrid.There shield lasts only for small amount but is on long cd. can heal for small percentage of life. there dps dot tree most to it requires to be in melee range 10 m can shoot to 30m wit other abilities , has grapple on a cd. sin /shadow have a pull as well ( we forget this part) . Juggs can leap to target and friendly target and don't have to be specced for it. Can go full tank and hard to kill .can go full dps and pretty easy to kill for no real defensive cd's and no shield if your going full dps. can be mezzed stunned and rooted like any other class in dps mode probably has lower hp's then tank mode. does have mobility in dps and tank mode. my god same as other tanks and other classes??and other dps classes?. cant stealth cant heal themselves(except for small silly 15% thing on long cd. ,can guard other players if tank mode. uses elemental damage. I.e same as sents which is same as muraders with bleeds,Which can be removed. Class is mostly single target damage except for a few things I.e DFA,flamethrower(equivilant on vang side as well ) some grenades and sticky bombs. can be hard to kill if played in the right hands.( I have played pyro Pt and vanguard and tank's for this class) All classes have escape things, some a bit more then others but all can do it. most classes have a shield thing and or some type of defensive thing they have.I.e bubble.shield,invu's so on and or damage reductions. Name one class that doesn't. Some classes are able to remove dots and such from people. that depends on class and specc I think all classes have some form of heal on them Except I think the sniper/gunslinger ( could be wrong on that). Not all classes have stealth. not all classes have taunts and or interrupts.Not all classes can tank.Not all classes can heal,not all classes are the same. A lot of classes can do fast burst damage. A lot of classes can do damage over time. Most classes can some what combine them with dots and such. Now with all that I can say a lot goes from memory on a lot of these classes if i got something wrong do point it out . But it seems that all classes bring something to the table and all classes are good classes and have unique things they do. Now I am no expert and Ive written what I Know and have seen . Seems a lot of people either are not real good at there class and have not taking time to learn others classes and maybe have not found the right ones. But when people call for nerfs .It usually means they got squashed pretty quickly and don't know why and or they want there class to excel faster then others and divert attention from them to be on top of the food chain. Most cases I lend to the part that people don't take time to understand another class and or care to learn about it. As stated most of this comes from memory I don't have all the skill trees memorized sorry I don't but I know what classes can do what. So with all the sabre rattling how is it that Pt/Vanguard Pyro specced is the top doggie again ? cuz of a dot ? mobility ? and a one shot capability that is on a 6 second cd( if lucky goes of again and is then on a cd and cant be used again until cd is over?) ,has one escape ability and is pretty squishy class. Maybe It's just played alot like sages/sorcs were,mercs/comm,ops/scoun, maras/sent,sin/shad, jugg/guards you get the picture ?

Isnt it funny that a fotm class seesm to kinda just roll from one class to the next because some yahoo said it:) but all the classes are fotm but hey nobody can see that pointit seems lolz.

I could think of a few other classes that have the best damage in the game but i think its based on opinion and not actual fact.

I see dumb people. here lets do this too . 1. remove all stealth from game 2. remove rock throwing from sages and shadows. 3.remove the lightning attacks from inqs and assassins. 4.All warrior classes can no longer leap and or jump to targets.Also all defensive cd's they have are removed. 5. No back stab attacks . 6. No stuns mezzes knockdowns knock backs incapcitates. 7. remove all buffs from the game 8. remove all grenades rockets and boom booms from game. 9. all ranged classes can only shoot 10 m with a rifle,blaster,autocannon. 10.All melle classes have there abilitites toned down to where they need to be within 2meters fo target. 11.All classes wear same armor and its color is grey to not diffrentiate it from another class so its on a equal playing ground with other class ,but its just called something else to please those that thinking that being diffrent then another is somehow wrong and is the devil. 12.remove all med packs wz adrenials stims and expertise stims from game. 13.remove all vehicles from game and everybody get a flying hello kitty mount that meows and licks your face. 14.remove the actualy defeating of other players in wz we dont want to offend people that do actualy die. 15.remove any form of actualy having to play your toon . 16.remove all lightsabers from game there to powerfull and only a select few should have them ( oh wait i got carried away) 17.remove recieving rewards from anything you do in game we wouldnt want to be better then the have nots who cry and complain they dont have the same nor did they work for it or use there brain to over come and adapt to a situation and thus progress further down the road instead of sitting on the side crying they cant be like everybody else and have the same things they have. Get the point . Another silly post by silly people.

tis very true

All I hear is that Im too lazy to level toons up to Have the same buffs as everyone else yadda yadda blah blah blah . As you are now bringing this up you could have rolled all 4 toons to level 40 and recieved the buff simple really in the time frame you have stated from when this went live and or from when the game went live. Alot of people have done this and have no issues with it. I for one have done it and I reapply that buff almost like it was second nature cuz thats what I do even in combat and around others. For I know that people just dont buff so I made sure that I do it as much as possible to pick up the slack of others who didnt or wont take the time to actualy prepare themselves .Not my fault or any one elses fault for that matter on the ones who took the time and grinded that out. Plus it was stated that certain legacy item was going to happen for some time. Point that finger at the mirror and only blame your self or selves for not taking the oppurtunity to actualy be prepared. It is really not that hard or difficult to do the things in this game compared to older mmo's this game is a cake walk . People need to stop complaning on everything and anything that doesnt suit them and or fit in there agenda because they didnt do it or what ever. IT's old and silly, When will people actualy do things for themselves again anyone ?

Id say remove stealth(see how that works?) from the game that will fix pt's and any other classes that spouts nonsense on trying to fix a class that isnt broken. Or how about that all mele classes can only do there stuff with in 3 meters that sound good? Also sorc/sage have a 50% chance for a blow back resulting in damage when using there own spells? Or smuggs/agents have a 50 % chance to fall down and be stunned for 10 seconds when using a stealth attack ability. assassins/shadows can only use there ranged stuff at 3 meters and loose all stealth capability's Get the picture? This garbage of saying that that this class or that class needs nerfing is from whiners and complainers that want only there class they play now to be better then any other class for there own gain. people need to stop and really look at things and stop pointing fingers at everyone else and turn that thing around and point it where it needs to be pointed ( think about it ) . And ya Ive played all the classes.across a few servers. PT's are fine there a mix of ranged and alot of close up attacks. They die alot , they can be shot down they are not super men on the battle field. But any class that is in the hands of a good player and not a bad player will always look really good to others its just the nature of the beast. Ive seen shadows and assassins make chumps of all classes , ive seen agents and smuggs make those guys look like chumps. Then sents and muraders making those look like chumps juggs making sents and muraders chumps . snipers killing left and right get splatted by shadows mercs killing pts commandos killing vanguards OMG ITS UNREAL get the picture . I too can think of a dozen things on other classes that need to be changed and or fixed as well. But as any person who can adapt and over come ( some of these people can do this others can not or even try too ) will far succed those who just sit and grip about it.

Good vid I do have to say killing that murader or what ever like 3 times over the edge is just someone asking for pain lol.

See I agree with that but the whole stealth thing is a old beaten horse , Im for escape mechanics and all, weshould have it but to use said stealth to always be on or in is just plain silly to me. I understand its a sci-fi game and so fantasy mmo's have the whole poof vanish thing but to make the mechanic centered around damage abilitites and such is just meh to me. I mean put into perspective for a minute what would pvp actualy be like if they did not have stealth and the damage abilites that were centered on popping from stealth and such ? for any game not just here. Also Id add the ability to bet on said matches and to watch em like sports events . could turn pvp into a rather fun event that people could actualy follow watch and make money on in gmae of course not real but you know what I mean .

get rid of stealth. Its a cruch in sooo many mmo's and needs to be done away with.

easy sniper,sorc,commando,shadow,smuggler. All those classes have had a bat swung at them at some point to tune them down. All those classes were fotm classes at one point:) . Coomando/merc for gravround/missle spam Sorc/sage for there hybrid with madness and lightning. Smuggler/Operative for there 2 shot stun knock you down shots.Shadow/sin for using tank stance and wearing dps armor you all know the rest fo that one. Sniper had it changed a bit, not much to make it extreme. But all classes were fotm. Seems the only classes you didnt play was warrior and the infamous pt. And as for pointing it out its pretty evident dont ya think? What im saying is this that all classes were fortm at one point and for you to say that you didnt.well you can say what ever no way to prove it or disprove it but you got other classes to play and dont even think that maybe the sniper can counter the pt? or the smugg? not any ones fault if you are not able to overcome and adapt to a situation and make the adjustments real simple really. Me personaly pt are fine I play one at level 50 , and i die just like any one else . And its true we do die its amazing that it happens as some would put it but it does happen. There are good players and there are bad players its jsut where you fall in that category that will sway your thinking on alot of things

What id like to know is that the op is playing a sumg healer and can take alot of hits and then says dies out right to pt attacks as playing a healer that has dots that heal and such. Pretty intresting to say the least . As well did you start playing scoundrel to play as healing or was it a test to see how well they did using all the ope'd stealth attacks until that got tuned down and you decided to play healer afterwards cuz you couldnt 2 shot people any more? Id suggest after you said you got all these level 50 guys . and im bettign that at some point they are fotm classes so keep talking. Learn to play the classes and stop crying wolf on a class that kills you , Just like every other class can another class.