I was kicked once while arguing with some dude in a WZ. It was an NC match and was fighting got killed and booted, a friend in rl was with me in the same zone and never got a vote option.

I don't understand why he bought a WH offhand.. The rose colored glasses of pre 1.2 made me giggle a bit. The PVP game was bad back then and somehow the most experienced team ever assembled made it worse. I suppose if you are floating on a piece of wood out in the ocean and suddenly find yourself just trying to stay afloat with nothing to help you, the piece of wood would be considered the good times.

LOL!!! Well we ran a on the effects of expertise in TOR in a safe environment and get the same results every time..

A combination of things. Ill just throw in my opinion on the main problems. 1. Expertise - We will never know how many people canceled their pre order when Bioware announced the PVP stat during beta, I remember massive rage and almost canceled myself until I decided it was worth the box price to have a front row seat to the drama. 1-49 is pretty much PVP,50 is pretty much GvG and you can for the most part say goodbye to open world PVP with a PVP stat unless its baselined between tiers the lowest being avail to anyone with only slight increases in stats per tier or comsmetic. ( Ya... Ya... we all know why the stat is in game but it was handled very poorly! the stat itself should not be part of the progression) 2. The game engine itself and faction imbalances for the most part killed any hope for meaningful open world PVP, and I'm sorry WZ's this size are just a mini game but with the engine i don't see anything that would make pvp anything more than just a mini game with zerg maps. 3. Gear progression or rank progression has no reason to be in open world PVP as its leads to fight clubbing( ex SWG non Fight Clubbing Jedi here so i know how people are and it sucks) or what we had kill trading, but luckily #2 happened or else we would still be stuck with that garbage. 4. WZ's are too small and repetitive and lack of them makes it even worse. 5. 1-49 you get to have your look with orange gear and its actually a really good system. 1.2 sucked the wind out of a lot people making it that only WH mods will keep the set bonus while everyone just looks like a clone. 6. Pre mades vrs the solo pugs and the lack of any tiers between valor ranks.. nobody likes to be farmed and most people do not enjoy farming, combined with #4 and people really loose interest fast. 7. Expertise 1.2 I could write a book about that one but you all know so why bother. There is more but I just don't really care anymore. Cya at launch!

I would love to see it say the truth as well like 12 hours and 34 seconds...

You should have replied Learn to develop..

I play a Jugg, Sent, and a Sin. For me the Sin is the most intuitive force user melee class I have played and on top of that we get a cloak so we even get to dictate the terms of engagement and a get out of jail free card that the other force user melee classes don't have. Are they OP? I don't know, easy to play and adaptable to almost any situation.. for sure. I will say this cause you play a Sent and I think you will get it. Jugg reacts to a situation, a Sent has to think way ahead of the situation, the Sin creates the situation.

Thats ok me and my friend in RL both have 50s on each side so we meet up and watch our ship droid companions fight each other.. We call it companion bum fights.

I think the closure of the debate is simple.. Server populations speak louder than any forum poster, pro or anti it doesn't matter the answer and the outcome is in front of your face.

If Bioware isn't dumb they will have a month or so of unlimited transfers(legacy,credits,players) to sort out the server pops then at the end of the free time start shutting some of them down and force merge whats left of the light servers with another then after that they can start charging a fee for moves.. Its not my fault i had to reroll a PVP toon on another server just to actually have something to do. If they try to charge me a fee to leave cause my server went from heavy with a Q at launch to 20 people in fleet on prime time.. well i guess you change subs lost to 400,00(1).

And those crappy mounts for AA guns on the Bismark was a great idea as well.. Sometimes its just doomed from the start.

Cause everyone knows this is turning out to be another EA/Bioware Cash grab. Copy paste WoW ,hype it up like crazy, sell some boxes recover losses, keep silent, and create crappy mini games with grinds to milk the base for all it can before you start getting into micro transactions for content and PTW models.

Because if PVP is a set up deal and has no world objectives then it feels just as false as a WZ. World PVP is organic and is exciting and setting things up between factions is basically just a non rewarded WZ.

Hmm if thats the case i wont complain... Always wanted to know what a post apocalyptic world would look like..

How about a timeline on any update? Although i do enjoy those random changes from time to time that are not on patch notes for about 4 hours or more after the fact.

Must be on Fatman.. But the Wz's should be larger as of now the actual zone size is very bad.

Republic Taris is the one i cant get over how bad it is.

And we are out of life boats! But my heart will go on....

Yes i remember my server had a 15 to 20 minute Q time to log in.. now i get to be alone in fleet.

Yes i am actually very interested in finding out how many pre orders bailed during the beta when they announced the PVP stat. If they had 1.7 mill at first i would guess from the beta forum rage it cost them 500k if not more pre orders.

All the whining and sucking up is irrelevant when the end game blows! 1-49 is pretty good imo, and outside of the dead feeling worlds its still workable. At 50 however its just sitting in a lobby waiting for mini games. Might as well go play Hi-Rez Studios game.

How about if we are just able to have our groups stay together after a WZ.. now that would be something!

James Ohlen L2Develop.. I don't even play sorc/sage, its not about resource management its about survivability. Its more about DPS being stupid crazy than it is about the actual mechanics of the class. The subs and long wz q's kinda speaks for itself but ya keep on going brother i enjoy the show!

I guess with the speeders you are just buying the tank, but ya i wish they went a bit faster.

Wrong! Problem is its had 2 crappy MMO's..well one wasn't bad till the CU then the NGE. "The Old Republic is in EA’s top 10 franchises in terms of profitability, “but it’s not in our top five”. “So it’s a business contributor, while important, is not as important as Medal of Honor or Battlefield or FIFA or Madden or The Sims or SimCity, but it’s more important than Tiger Woods PGA Golf.” “So while I understand there’s an enormous amount of interest, I don’t know that it warrants as much as what we’re seeing right now. But we love the franchise, we’re going to grow the franchise and just like we want to see Tiger Woods Golf grow or SSX grow, or Madden for that matter, we’re going to drive this one for growth.” John Riccitiello (Electronic Arts Executive) Hello Mr Lucas! this is the attitude that trashed the 2nd failed MMO of your wonderful franchise.