Huttball.....the Imps best WZ by far, they have it down to science. Honestly be glad if they pit Imp vs Imp in this game, Republic players are becoming an endangered species...I know, I am one. BW really dropped the ball with PvP in this game, it's even worse then Rift became and that's saying something. At this point they'd have to do something drastic to bring Rep players back or off their Imp alts. I myself have 3 Imp alts, specifically for PvP...eveyone gets tired of losing 9 out of 10 times in a WZ. So pretty soon it will be a one faction PvP experiance, think of it as a League with different teams instead of different factions...we all get paid by the Empire. There really is little incentive for Rep players to play WZ or go to Ilum for that matter, a few still do myself included but every day that the imbalance remains as great as it is the more will drop off and just PvE their Rep toons.

Funny I was thinking of making a thread like this myself. I could not agree more! The past few days before I hit 50 I was spending easily half my PvP time stunned, what's worse I only have one escape and if that's on CD I'm normally dead b4 the stun wears off. Far FAR to much CC in this game, I hope the Devs quickly address this issue thou I am not holding my breath.

Ok so I hit lvl 50 yesterday, Valor rank 24 as i mostly lvl'd PvE class questing, doing 2-3 WZ a day. I have been collecting bags for the Cent/Champ tokens, saving up for my gear. I have very good orange guns thanks to a guildy crafting them for me, and mostly orange PvE/PvP gear. So I arrived on Ilum, but not sure how you collect resources? I didn't get much time to explore b4 I had to get to work. My 1st few WZ as a 50 were well....ouchy. Thou I still managed to do decent dps an felt I could contribute...still I died very fast I'm a GS so am squishy. What' the best to focus on to get my gear? My Guild runs lots of raids, Hard mode so I'm sure I can get good PvE gear quickly but what about PvP? WZ grind or Ilum? How does the open world PvP on Ilum work exactly? Thanks in advance.

Wow...interesting read. I've played several MMOs, Warhammer, Rift, Age Of Conan...never WoW however. In Warhammer and Rift I found Ranged classes were king...minus Rift Rogues which are just disgustingly OP. However in my personal opinion I find melee in this game more then on par with ranged. I am lvl 48 so I cannot comment on lvl 50 or Ilum yet, but in the WZ I play I fear melee much more then I fear fellow Ranged classes. I play a Gunslinger, and unless I am well supported by my own sides melee most melee Imps swarm me and eat me rather quickly. Agents are the worst, with their stealth and CC I'm often CCd from stealth, then I'm dead b4 the CC wears off....OP a bit anyone? I have over 10'000 hp and they go through that in seconds. All in all I find the WZ pretty balanced, at least on my server. Sometimes Rep get spanked hard, other times we spank the Imps. But to the OP I'm afraid I can't agree, I think melee in this game kill ranged just fine.

PvP needs a whole lot of fixin....just hope it's before it's far to late or Imp will have to start playing against their own side.

Until yesterday I hadn't had to many matches like that, but over the past 24 hours on Belgroth every time I que'd up (I'm a Republic player) we had at most 5 players vs a full Imp group, I stopped Queing after 5-6 WZ like that in a row and figured I'd try again in a few days. I think the main issue is the Imps vastly outnumber republic still so they'll always have a full group, and a lot of Republic are obviously just not queing for WZ anymore....they are beginning to get rather stale. I still think Tiers are needed as well...I'm 47 and when I get into a WZ and all my allies are 25 and under I groan. I want everyone to have fun and be compete but even with bolster there isn't much those low lvls can do when fighting a guy in his 40s, they are simply overpowered by the amount of abilities he has. Much better to keep 25s and under in their own Tier then one for the mid ranged and the 50s one they put in. Just my 2 cents.

Hmm OP sounds like how I feel in most WZ..getting ganked by melee every few seconds. Sounds like on Ilum my GS will actually rock! Can't wait thanks, only 9 lvls to go Love open world PvP , and I agree the WAR Devs seem to love rdps as well...I played a Witch Hunter in WAR and yah rdps were a real pita in open world so I understand OPs feelings if what he complains about is true.

I was wondering the same thing, thanks for clearing that up. I was asking my Guild as i'd noticed Him/her myself and thought I had a stow away I could not interact with...why i he/she there if you can't talk to him/her?

I agree with the OP GS needs serious attention from BW, it needs a lot of things fixed. Like many I rolled a Smuggler for the look, and because I didn't just want to be another glow stick in the masses. But I am a PvP guy at heart, I played Warhammer for 2 years as my first MMO. Now I LOVE the storyline, the PvE is hella fun but yah as a GS the PvP sucks. I am only lvl 35 atm, I seem to do 'ok' in WZ, I can deal the hurt but no more then a Jedi, I die constantly and seem to have nothing to offer that another class has with more survivability then me. I'll keep playing but I'm now lvling an assassin on another server and a Jedi Knight on my main server to be more my PvP toons. I hope BW fixes the GS but I'm not holding my breath.

Probably you hear from Ops more in forums because there are far more Operatives then scoundrels. There are far more Imp players then Republic by far so you have more Ops and honestly I rarely see many scoundrels on my server, far more GS for the Smuggler class.

Well I have played my share of MMOs over the years. AoC, Warhammer, Rift...the one I would NOT touch was WoW...just never appealed to me (I know I know probably one of a handful in this game that never played WoW) prob played War the longest (2 years) and enjoyed it for the most part. I see OPs/Scoun as very much Rogues from Rift, after the last 'buff' they got, I stopped playing. Being able to go stealth, open up on someone from behind and kill then while they are stunned or at least get them below 50% health b4 they can even react if obviously OP. So yes they needed a good hoof to the nuts! And yes nerfs/buffs are part of an MMO we all know that, crying about it won't solve anything. So either suck it up buttercup (as I tell me son after a hard hit in football) or quit. Shrugs this game will go on I'm sure with or without you.

I gotta agree there, I played WAR for 2 years, even with mass amounts of players in an Open world area slugging it out lag was never near as bad as a fraction of the numbers Star Wars gets. Every WZ I go into is choppy as hell and I run a very decent system..never had lag in PvP in an MMO I've played like Star Wars.

Well as a GS who's been feeling the pain of PvP since launch I can't say I have much sympathy sorry. Everyone knew this was coming, Scoundrels knew so I'm sure Operatives were well aware as well. If that was the only minor nerf you guys suffered (honestly haven't been on to check patch notes) I'd say you have little to concearn yourself with. See you on the battlefield, maybe Gunslingers will have a chance now instead of being stunned and dead b4 it wears off now.

This pretty much sums it up, this game wasn't designed around PvP, Bioware is a PvE minded company they know crap about PvP. Now you could argue after all the MMOs before Star Wars, after all the other mistakes companies had made over the years that devs would actually 'learn' from others mistakes....but that's hoping for far to much. Honestly I dont even know what everyone is on about, I only had a few hours to play today and was doing my class quest. But reading my Guild forum I got the impression Imp were ****** even more then usual in PvP and therefor did not bother to cue up...so what's this all about exactly? link me a thread?

I play a GS but if I'd know b4 hand how difficult it is in PvP I would have gone Scoundrel. As it is i'm gonna lvl a Scoundrel as my main PvP toon. I love my GS don't get me wrong, but they are certainly gimped in PvP I think more then any other class save maybe their mirror. If you can do well or even decent with a GS in PvP you'll pwn with any other class. GS are very much group focused, a good you'll do ok...bad group you'll get your *** handed to you as solo you're no match for the other classes.

You people are killin me! I recently respec'd to Stealthnerfs Sab spec I found on the forums as I really liked blowing people up...and AoE is great for mobs in PvE. However I am also a guy that loves mixing it up in PvP, my 1st MMO was Warhammer which is entirely PvP focused. Now I see this spec, I want to try it too. I'm only lvl 31 atm however so many abilities I don't have yet, whats a Slinger to do? I like AoE but in PvP I'm not sure if more single target is the way to go?

Eh...I'm on the fence still, PvE no question Slinger is a lot of fun... PvP it's a very tricky way to go and i agree with others seems to lack something compared to the other classes. Bio needs to address the Slinger, I'm sure they are aware, wether they will is debatable. I use a Sab build just because it's more mobile and I kinda like throwing grenades However after forum reading may try respec into SS....again I'm on the fence, is the damage output of SS worth the trade off in WZ for being so turret like as opposed to the more mobility and AoE of Sabo?

I did it with another Smuggler and THAT made it super easy mode, was my 1st try and got it done. Remember if you're stuck you can always ask for help! Someone have a vid of choosing to help the Sith and kill the Jedi? I know someone here did, I saw it last week I think, wants to show a friend.

Yah running circles is pretty gay...I've been mouse turning since warhammer 3 years ago and I still have problems with melee Sith running all over me with twin lightsabers while I can't target them. Auto facing I can live without, but I would like a way to pivot on the spot. Rdps are far from OP in this game, maybe it's just players on my server but no melee seems to have issues ripping us apart at least at my lvl range.

Yes lets take away one of the few abilities that rdps in the game have of keeping all the lightsaber wielding crazies off them for a few seconds. Gimme a break, knock backs are not game breaking, sorry you have to use your brain instead of just blinding rushing over a bridge towards a rdps in cover waiting for you to do just that.

Ugh...never really understood keybinds...I do not work on a keyboard all day like most people so still look down to find the Alt and CNTR keys ect. For those like me keybinds are a pita, I'd rather just use 1-= and mouse click the rest. Macros would solve many of those issues, I hear they are not far in the future.

I give it a 4/10 , thou I understand for BioWare that PvP is simply a side show for them. I never expected much, PvP in this game was being thrashed since Beta. Balance needs to be addressed but even more so mechanics of certain classes in a PvP setting , and yes I mean Gunslingers/Snipers, worst mechanics for pvp of any class in any game I've played.

I just got Bowdarr but so far he seems ok, I upgraded what I could, will get him more when I can build it. I just got to Tatooine as well and had trouble with the 1st 25 Elite I ran into (the guy sent to kill the kid that's giving the Republic agent info on the weapon facility) and took a few tries to figure him out. Third time he went down easy with Bow tanking him in the face, Aimed Shot, Flashbang , a few crit energized shots and a final kick in the balls! He was dead Kenny...still think tatooine will take a bit more strat then the earlier zones.

I feel the OPs pain, I'm a PvPer at heart and thou I enjoy the PvP in many ways, I also can say it's very frustrating. Cover and channeled abilities really make GS very hard to play effectivley. In PvE they are fine, you can sit still behind cover reasonably well, and only move when nesessary. However in PvP when you simply cannot sit still unless half the opposing team is afk, it sucks. Try getting an Aimed Shot off, maybe you'll succeed 20% of the time. Maybe it's just my cluster but there are enough melee running around (usually with a Sage buddy in tow) to ruin a GS day. The class obviously needs major help by Devs, atm I think it is the worst class for Republic PvP wise. Scoundrel on the other hand I only ever hear rave reviews about by those i know playing them, maybe we chose the wrong Advanced Class for pvp? I'll still play him, hopefully continue to improve...might also be that the pugs I run with never seem to stick together for some reason, I get caught solo far to often.

I've asked this in the general Smuggler thread but since you brought it up I'll ask here. How do you keybind your CC breaks/abilities ect? I know you can keybind your movements , inventory ect but besides the # on your hotbar how do you keybind individual abilities?