I do appreciate healers but sadly Pubs have so few I rarely see any. Whereas Imp groups seem to run 4-5 mind you easier when most of their classes can heal and it's all the play these days. The odd Sage or Scoundrel I see is rigged for dps not healing.

There is little doubt that there are good Sorcs that have played since Beta/launch ect and they play because they like the class. The ISSUE is all the fotm kiddies now rolling Sorcs because they think they are the **** which they are...far OVERBOARD. Then trash talking in WZ to the Pub side because they were obviously raised with no manners. Bio seriously ****ed up with making Sorcs so powerful why bother playing another class if all you're interested in is facerolling everyone else? It's making PvP for the Pub side almost unplayable, esp in the 4v4 where you'll get 2 Sorc a Sin and a Merc then the Pub side may as well quit then and there. I have never seen so many ppl quit a WZ so fast as I do since this patch and there is a valid reason for it. Noone wants to PvP when the opposite faction has such an edge over then all the time.

Competitive? Umm yah if that means taking on 3 vs 1 and coming out on top is competitive. I like the op made one and I agree super fun and out of the hmm 5 classes I've tried they are by FAR the easiest. hell I can kill 3x my number while half paying attention. PvE Mobs ppttt like tissue paper, Force Storm is so OP its should be a crime. I think the Devs must play Sorcs and wanted a god class or just never bothered to test their changes. And thou I do not have one and they are 'supposed' to be mirrors, I have a feeling Sorcs have things Sages do not.

Sorcs, PT, Sins with a Jugg or Op thrown in here or there, and those probably original players b4 Bioware buffed the crap out of the latter 3 classes. That's what you see in a WZ where you have solo queing players on Imp side. Why? because why would they play anything else but these PvP god classes? They don't want a challenge they want an " I win" button or 2, they simply want to kill as many other players as they can, and make sure it takes three or more to kill them...and if Sorc even that's a stretch as they have a full heal. I have a Sorc myself and I use all of 3 abilties atm (given she's only lvl 23) and in PvP or PvE that's all I need. Bio really screwed up the PvP last patch, rly rly screwed it up. Stun Wars should be renamed.

<-- This I hate Huttball, esp on Pub side, Imps win 9 out of 10 times...mind you that's true of any WZ. I honestly think Bioware tailored the classes for Imp PvP and Pub PvE. Shrugs it's their way of making ppl have to make toons for both factions, play longer keep subbing ect ect. Same with that HK droid you need BOTH factions to get it. But I agree with the last guy just zone out of Huttball leave the Imps to play each other.

Well 2 Warzones and I left the 2nd 1/3 way in...after about 3 other ppl left. The 1st WZ we lost 3 players as well in 5 minutes. People will not stay in a WZ when you have so many Sorcs spamming Storm and CC that you are dead in moments with contact. Bioware Devs open your damn eyes and play your game before you 'patch' Until then shelving my GS PvP wise.

easy answer ... none. An all Sorc warband would destroy anything up against it. 3-4 in a WZ in almost an "I Win' button for their side. I know as I ran mine last night and it was sick.

Well if you can't beat them join them. I had a Sorc for ages but never leveled her. I began to play her again yesterday, and omg Force Storm is sick. One WZ was Imp vs Imp we had 4 Sorcs they had 4 Powertech, was a fight among gods! We won, barely but damn u have 4 Sorcs drop that Storm in the doorway of Hypergate middle area...good luck anything making it through there alive! I admit it was hella fun, but balanced it is not. May as well lvl her and enjoy it while I can, they'll have to nerf that hard soon. Funny thing is it's similar to Orbital strike/Fly by but they nerfed that ability huge long ago...you'd think they'd have learned, apparently not, the Devs I mean.

seriously? tell that to the 2 Sorcs in the WZ I put up numbers for. We would have 3 ppl dpsing ONE Sorc and still not get him below half health then he ends the match with 776 000 dps...no burst at all obviously lol.

I love open world PvP, Warhammer I played for 2 years because it was ALL PvP all the time and they did it well. Star Wars Devs should contact the old Warhammer Devs they could use some schooling. But a zone in area is NOT a good place to have open world PvP, sorry to those that think otherwise but it's just plain dumb. Noone likes getting killed while zoning in, it's absurd and unfair.

Try Titanium cannons, nothing glass about Sorcs anymore , they hit harder then any other dps class AND heal as well or better then any other healing class at the same damn time.

Earlier in this thread I had said Sorcs are OP 'because' they put out absurd amounts of dps AND healing at the same time. I just finished a WZ where I decided to write down the numbers the 2 Sorcs and 1 Sin put out to back up what I said. Sorc 1 533 000 dps 400 000 healz Sorc 2 776 000 dps 209 000 healz Sin 776 000 dps 105 000 healz Now tell me that isn't f'd up and ruins Warzones.

Could not have said it better, Devs give your heads a shake you seriously have ****ed up PvP with Stun Wars!

Yah about right, Lightening Gatling gun, have 3 Sorcs and 3 Sins in a WZ and Pubs may as well all zone out of that WZ. Only balance is Imp vs Imp. I just again played 4 WZ and again Sorcs were near unkillable and Sins have soi many stuns you are dead in seconds. And it seemed they were immune to all my stuns and knockbacks, impossible to get a foot of breathing room now. *** is that all about? Time to lvl up my Imps I think, only way I think I'll have any fun in PvP

Ahh went and looked again, found out of the 4 'styles' only 2 had off hand, that's why I missed it. I took Enforcer blaster and that one does not have an offhand blaster.

Stun Wars is what I call it, before patch it was bad with this update it's almost unplayable. And you are right it sucks the fun factor completely out...I think Bioware doesn't WANT ppl to PvP so they are doing their best to make it more frustration then it's worth. Stun....oh you almost can move..stun again...ok 25% health I just need a second to pop a health stim...stun DEAD!

really? maybe on your server but I regularily see those numbers in WZ. Maybe you don';t know how to play it as well as other Sorcs and that's why you don't see what all the fuss is about?

I don't think that's it, what trip s people out is Sorcs standing 30 feet back hosing a whole team with AOE like they have a Gatling Lightning Gun and at the SAME time throwing out enough heals to keep their own team up and ending a match at 5K dps AND 5k heals or more...it's an insane hybrid.

I do play a Sorc, and a Slinger and a Guardian and a few other classes but those are my mains. And in 'general' CC and healz need to be curtailed. As another poster said it's not fun at all in a WZ trying to play vs a team with 2-3 or more Sorcs, and I play to have fun not get frustrated. Stun Wars I cal this game in PvP and you'd think after all the years MMOs have been around and all the posts similar in every other game about being VERY careful Devs with your CC that these Devs would learn....apparently they don't play their own game. Sorcs take the brunt of the QQing prob a big part cause there are so many of them. But they DO need as good nerf to bring them in line, sorry if you disagree.

rly? ok very very odd I swear at the vendor I scrolled 3 times and only ever saw one Blaster for each 'type' Pro Enforcer ect.

That was a joke right? Surviabilitiy? Damn make them immortal, even 3 dps on ONE Sorc can't kill him fast enough, makes taking a node held by one almost impossible.

Was recently buying my new PvP gear after hitting 60 and noticed on my Slinger no Off hand Blaster choice. And if I try to put an older mod into an offhand blaster , if it has any Exp it will not let me equip it in offhand slot. I'm sure somewere this was prob written about but I must have missed it. So am I correct? off hand PvP weapons with Exp are gone? assume same for Mara/Sent ect?

I agree Sorcs are retarded and I do not think Sages have similar abilities even thou they are supposed to be mirrors. Healing and CC in 'general' is very broken in PvP. Was before the recent update even more so now. Go into any WZ and Imps are running either Sorc or Sin with a few random other classes to fill out a group. I have a Sorc , wanted to see myself if it was as bad as I thought....and it is, I do insane amounts of dps even at a low level.

Was gonna say the same thing, I still use my GS gear that makes him look old west and I just switch out the mods.

Totally agree with this, I have played many MMOs and some fatal flaws are to damn much CC, which this game has. And continue grind only as was stated to be back to where you were 6 months prior. Kinda annoying when a new player comes along, grinds out PvP gear in a few weeks/months that you have been grinding since launch. . All because gear from 6 months ago gets taken out and 'new' gear with same stats you have to grind for all over again. The stats go up yes but when a fresh 55 can grind for same gear as a guy that's been 55 forever..well there's a big middle finger to long standing players. Again, nature of the game but you'd think there'd be a better way or a reward for Vets maybe.