Wow!!!!This thread earned for sure a place in the hall of fame for the most stupid threads ever!I know I will prolly get a lot of aggro now but I don't care some things must be said !This thread is for the bad gamer type , since this game lacks of special cd's it's good that it has a lot of DMg skills otherwise it would be extremely boring .And for u guys out there complaining about playing piano ,I know u kind of players u species was discovered with the born of the macros u !Most of u want a 1 macro pwn system ,press 1button and make 30things !For those guys complaining about having 43 skills on keybind , I mean *** !!!U know that u dont have to bind ur resting skill or fleet pass !!!!!! Btw don't miss understand me I like the ideas of macros but everything in health proportions!

U think rlly devs wouldnt fix a class cuz they play those classes???Are u serious??? How old are u like 9???Do u even know what devs do or u just think they play 10 hours with the other devs and then they sit together and talking about their achievements in the warzones??Dude they try to make the most of us happy so our money flows into their pockets so pls think twice before just raw qqing around!!

PvP in MMO will never be balanced get along with it or stop playing mmo's !Except u are dramaqueens and u play MMO's for the qqing part! There will allways be a imbalance in pvp , now , u can filter a good mmo if u see how much they change/rotate those imbalances .Good mmos have constantly changes while bad not. And by any means BH and Sorcs arent OP they are just alot that makes u think they are so OP.Try to stick to a BH interrupt his tracers and tell me again how OP they are but yes u will go to 1 BH and another 3 with Spam 111111 u to oblivion with their Tracer Missles.Anyway i kinda love the PvP in this game !Sure i have my cons 2 like why shall have a dps class have some heals( makes it rlly hard to kill a skilled player )but this is just my opinion. The game is fine and also still a baby let it grow up dudes and stop this negativity in every every mmo its rlly getting old and boring! Just to add , i bet those ppl comparing this game with WoW saying '' wow is much better in .....'' where whining in wow too.Haters gona hate!

If u think like this u aren't a true pvper !And if rl happens u have to life with that instead of ruining other 7ppl game !I am so bored of aborted shutdown sequences with constantly 5 vs8 .every 1 that loves pvp would vote for a 15 min debuff for leaving a wz

When entering a room 0.51sec and at pvp seeing every scene in slowmotion !!very dramatic

1rst it's early to judge about classes since many changes will come 2nd go 50 and do some weeks pvp then u can make a better picture of a class Low lvl brackets are hell I mean u can go with ur 23lvl toon and a 49 angry 1button BH can spam 11111111 u to oblivion!!I love my vanguard and i am everything else then useless Wish u gl in future and keep ur head down and cool 50s are hard for us reps !

Wow dude did u read even 1single article about this game before buying it???Guess not !!!However , if u did so u would know that their main promotion and depth was in the storylines !And about the op ,I agree that the ending was like *** is this (for my part ,I was searching the end of my story until I realized this **** was the end )I am not a happy end fan but I also don't like unfinished plots .

Tracer monkeys are funny!!!Sometimes when the game is over i just like to interrupt their 1 skill and see how they are acting!!!Most of them are looking at u with a confused ''*** iam supposed to do now?Usually i have other 20 Imps as backup Oo''look.Well most ppl get as good as their enviroment allows them .....dont say imps arent good players (i have very nice enemies on my server) but the most are just bad judging from many 20vs 30+ ilum fights we won with ease!And the worst of them are ofc the ''i bound tracermissle to my entire keyboard'' worldrecord 1button spammers!

As a healer u shouldnt whine rlly!!!My main is a tank and i dont get any recognition about my work in a warzone i guard ppl and change my life for their uptime more or less and ppl just dont care !!And as my healer in warzone i just throw 2-3 heals and ppl see ur name with those green letters and they say ''oh a healer, he just won my mvp''!!And this didnt occur 1 time i allways get mvp as healer and even if i was 50% of the warzone semiafk!!!! But i suggest giving a WP (worst player) award also cus some ppl deserve it(me soemtimes going afk with my mvp healer in a warzone for example) If u think its unfair dont play Tank in pvp without ur pockethealer u will cut urself and go more emo then ever dude

U described wow ??? Because this did happen in wow 2 and it didn't die and I remember whining ppl about it also !!! This is pvp ! It will always be unbalanced for the most ppl it's like being unhappy about politicians ! Anyway try to see the pvp in a whole picture and not only from ur point or view and Ian saying this as a trooper vanguard shieldspec maybe the most broken class in this game atm for pvp (cuz of defensive stats)I don't care if I suck now as long this cycle as u said exists cus this is actually thAt keeps mmos alive!!

I think this resolve system works fine the only thing they could maybe add is that if u are full resolve all immobilize/slow effects 50%reduced .most ppl whining about resolve don't even realize they actually got immobilized and not stunned. And to add smth else in semi premade pvp resolve is a wonderful pvp feature u have to think twice when to stun (huttball 3 times)in pug pvp it can easily destroy u especially in huttball when all nabs just stun on cd the tankish ball carrier.

Yeah and now make a research for how many and which attacks get absorbed by your shield ! Its a joke!We can shield uP weapon DMg skills and trust me the dmges that hurt u are tech/force !just give the dps community bit more time to learn about this fiasco and they will use only the proper skills vs tanks, then we can officially say BB tanking !!!

Well guys I think u are focusing ur anger to the wrong direction atm ,ok BW made some mistakes but they try to fix them (at least the most). But what I saw at the op wasn't the fault of the devs it was a clearly abuse from players.ppl that love pvp would never do such a lame**** like this and tbh this can happen anywhere and in all games if stupid ppl want to abuse smith !So maybe focus on those (Iam pretty sure pve guilds)instead blaming BW for everything it's getting boring and the real issues losing their weight!

funny is that many dpser that dont know why they actually do so much dmg stack also accuracy anyway still waiting for response!!!

Well since i rolled vanguard because i love troopers and i LOVE tanking and i also do 90% pvp its pretty ****ed up for me :/.And yes u are right this game has many problems and i trust BioWare that they will change the most of those things cuz they allrdy Do much more and spent much more effort to change things than the dev of other mmos .But what we want here is a respond from the officials ,do they want to keep this defense system up???So we can actually roll to smth more viable or do they have changes in mind and we can hope to play our beloved tank in future!!

Maybe (pls dont hang me for that )if they reduce our defenses a bit and add more skills to weapon dmg category.

Ur part 4. is were u are incorrect and ur whole theory is cancled!!!Cuz Force and Techpower skills tend to have the highest amount of dmg in this game atm ,maybe there is the answer to this problem ,and they should just swap some tech/force skills with with ranged.

Well actually it does matter cuz the heavy dmging skills are all force/tech or kinetic/energy and as u very well said they get reduced by armor so that makes it our biggest survivability stat for tank BUT why the hell do the DMg classes have on their skills an insane amount of armor piercing ????? And btw internal/elemental aren't only dots several classes have strong DMg skills with this type for example vanguards

Well guarding ppl isnt just a decision u take easy!! Guarding ppl makes u as tank very vurnerable (trust me we are not so tankish as u think since most of our defences dont work properly in pvp)And besides of that , try to guard some1 without a healer behind u!!!Guarding random ppl needs to be veru accurate and well placed !!! And as for the Healer/tank combo just a tip!Go for the tank let some dpser like Tech users focus the tank down(since if u go all for the healer he just taunt u off or just try to cc u or going only for tank makes it easy for him just to use relaxed his survivability cds+ having tons of heals from his partner) while other 1-2 not so heavy dps just interrupt the heals + adjust to the situation +play smart and u got them down in notime!!!

So u say cuz we can actually semi-tank (cuz they also have some of the gooood stuff skill in their skillbox:P)3-4 class speccs we are tanks ? Well truth is that the most ppl allready rerolled into those class-trees that actually kinda bypass those defenses dont even knowing why they do such ****loads of dmg:P thats sad but true!Well so our future in this game is to have some healers and the rest DPSers like Mercs/Commandos or Ops/scoundrels (those are just the heavy ''i give a **** about defenses '' classes).Well at my sever thats happening atm and thats kinda sad .And btw snipers are not even close to useless vs tanks they have enough techskills that also dont work with the whole defense system!

And lets say it again mr obvious!!!U can have the same amount of protection score with ur class even while specced dps if u have a good healer behind ur back!!! And who said smth about beeing viable in pvp as in pve ???WE Just want those defending stats that are worth nothing , even if u like it or not its just a fact , to be removed or to get fixed so they actually have some use in pvp . Which part u dont understand???In fact u have a good healer next to u and thats why u just think u are unbeatable as u are right now and fixing tanking stats would only make it OP. But u are wrong! And one thing pls if could pls explain us/me what makes u rlly think how u actually tank those ppl (iam not even referring to ur '' iam grabbing the ball from mid and to run to the goal line , cuz its just a bad joke for ppl that actually know about huttball and are decent pvpers)to be more speciffic which of ur stats makes u possible to tank this ppl??? I want to see if u got the whole topic of the OP ! And about the part of beeing ur opinion make no sense at all!!It has nothing to do with opinions ,my opinion could be that 1+2=Banana but that just wrong . Nobody said about how to change it --there is where opionions are needed !!!But that those stats are just stupid and kinda useless in pvp are just a fact dude.And u are telling us about beeing OP without to see any suggestion how to change it......doesnt make sense at all!!!

i bet u sir are tanking the 12lvl scoundrels and 21 lvl commandos hard!!!!Get 2 serious dpsers ****** ur healer or simply cc him out of ur guard range and u will be so hard like a giga puddy.And i can ensure u that this will happen cuz i have a Vanguard shieldspec Battlemaster 21k life 44%absorb 14% def 580 expertise ........let ca same geared BH focus me and they will **** me with their tech attacks (since they also reduce my only good defensive stat for pvp , my armor)and BH are just an example.As i also said previously yeahi had my ''iam *********** immortal ''moments 2 with my pocket healer but i can ensure u my enemies were just braindead or low lvl and i could the same Bruce lee action as commando with my healer for example.But 1 class shouldnt be depending on another to fullfill her role imo otherwise this whole class selection makes absolute no sense just give to all heal/dmg/tanking skills and let em decide spontaniously what to use for!!!Cuz as it is now , there are no tanks at 50's successfull swtor pvp !!!There are Good healers good dpsers and some wannabe tanks pressing their 3 survivability skils(cuz there are no more if u remove the trinket or biochem as an option) to stay for 3 more seconds alive! I know most of u wont belive me and u will still think that u are pretty tankish but if the 50 bracket is there and u actually play vs equal enemies u will c how fast u go down as a ''Tank''

Broken mechanics (melee combat and tanking mechanic in pvp are 2 examples).But i think they will change it would be stupid to have only inquisitors and sages running around and the only melee that are actually valuable in 60 valor up pvp , the 3 hit wonders Ops. Just give them time i remember other mmos including WoW at the very first beginning they all had their problems

Ive done it and i can say if u have in some way mastered ur tanking ( u know how te respond in different situations) and u can manage ur ammo good then , go for gut!!!In pve and pvp there are ****loads of cc's,So having at any point of the fight a dot on ur enemy or npc target keeps u up with threat(or prevent enemy for getting objtives in warzones while in cc ) . I have to say also from the very 1rst moment i knew i was playing tank and i saw energy blast as talent skill i was a bit dissapointed but thats not the point , the point is gut will serve u much better in a bigger spectrum of situations - while energy blast is just a 15 sec cd skill that give u 1 cell (well this can boost up ur ammo regen state from fast-very fast ,but still think its not worth it)

well i saw trooper/smuggler and sage stories and i can say trooper was the best imo ofc!!!