hahaha, Did some one call my name ?! Answer - no, your just not playing it properly, learn to play. Derp answer.. Common answer for Sentinel and Mara - push button, A,B,C in any order and watch enemy melt away. omg, I am so right !!

I am half War hero as well, my Primary damage is low as well (845) and 864 or some thing buffed. Were really at the mercy of the gear.. Which for damage tree's is stalker gear. I am yet to see this with any stalker gear at War Hero level. While accuracy is not that important, apparently, it depends on who you believe, you can still hit hard with less accuracy, but crit chance should be at least 35% in all honesty, that figure depends entirely on the gear of the player your attacking, of course you will hit high numbers if you kill some one in recruit gear as a opposed to war hero. Infiltration should never be confused with the balance shadow. The balance shadow is all about controlling the field. If you want to play that then spec in 'balance', or a hybrid of Infiltration - balance which actually plays very well apparently. As infiltration, you really need to wait, and plan several steps ahead of you, analysing the best targets to work at. Snaring, CC'ing, kiting enemies around, making it hard for them to perform is part of it, harassing a big part of it, and preventing enemies from taking an objective such as a turret, a door, or the huttball, a good part of it. While this actually undermines again, the Infiltration spec, and the reason for why this thread exists, at all, because our spec is a dying breed, the alternative is trying an Infiltration - balance spec. There are some good build for this spec, and I have tried them, however I still choose to be full Infiltration anyway. I chose this spec, from the beginning of the game last year when I began playing, and will stand by it either way. The armour points in Infiltration mean nothing in PVP, by the way, your only focus is being able to cause as much damage as possible. Do not take the points in the increased armour, its really not worth it. You also want to by pass and penetrate armour, so you need to take points from the KC tree for that. When I first began this game, it was 'Infiltration' that was the pure PVP spec back then, or was regarded as such.. now people claim its good only for PVE single targets.. I tend to think its really down to how you choose to play to be honest. !

if you grind for Battlemaster gear now, it actually doesn't take long. My Sage, has several Battlemaster pieces now, after just playing casual every day for a week. If your not prepared to put the time into it, then don't expect to get it for free either. Recruit gear is fine, until your focused on, but in any WZ where your in any gear, and focused you will get killed anyway. Recruit gear is actually ok, its on par with the old Champion gear I used to have. In fact has better stats.. Recruit gear is free when you hit 50, don't take the credits, take the gear if you want to begin level 50 PVP.. lots of people took the credits instead, and now play WZ's in PVE gear, and wonder why they get 2 shotted in level 50 WZ's.

ohhh, pooor you ! - you play one of the most OP classes in the game, and have way more on hand than any other class, and your upset you cant leap on people in stealth. Here's a clue its called "stealth" for a reason ! Just saying !!

well the whole thing was a zerg anyway, and a lot of people had problems with lag because of the amount of players AND effects all going on at the same time on their screens. I think Ilum dailies were a failure for a lot of reasons, and eventually they just gave up on the idea. They need to really go back to the drawing board on Open world PVP as well while there at it.

just a huge gap in your gear, difference, you know the drill, keep playing, and grind away and suffer the humiliating face rolls in the dirt. I'm afraid we have all been there, and no, its not always fun either, but you keep playing anyway, because you know you want 'better' gear, and to be able to compete and help your team out appropriately.

I have never been able to do this, it tells me I cannot do this while in stealth, I am calling rubbish on this.

huhmm your missing the point here. The OP is basically saying, people don't want to open world PVP just for the hell of it !, they want some kind of reward in other words.. as it is right now, you really get zero 'nothing' but some kind of sadistic pleasure from killing enemy players right now. Rewards for Open World PVP, couldn't ever work anyway, the game as it is, is easily abused, and is open to being exploited. Its partly why they gave up on Ilum, because of the valor farming and trade killing going on. But there is, I agree some kind of alternative to this, which might be more fun, and similar to raids, but on a PVP scale. Who knows..?!

which server are you on ? I was in a very similar situation with my partially geared Healer believe it or not.. Really weird coincidence, or just yes, we do have pugs like yours too. !

They ARE useless. Believing otherwise is not truth

okay, ! but you really should pop this in the suggestion box to be honest !? will get their attention waaay quicker...

some aspects of open world pvp bewilder me at times.. to be honest, its not actually fair game play for level 50's to access lowbie quest nodes just to kill players 20 odd levels lower than them. I mean really, there is no challenge to it, and all it amounts to is 'griefing'. But on a PVP server this is allowed so.. All I ask is if your a level 50, don't attack lowbies, you want open world PVP then go to black hole, Belsavis and Ilum, and you will find plenty of level 50s playing their dailies. They will give you a fight back too.

part of this falls down to us as players, to show some respect, and courtesy towards other people in the game, who are trying to get the same things done you are. Like with loot boxes, seen it many times, some one was trying to fight the mobs off so they can open the box, to get the loot, except ! some guy comes along, and does the dirty, and opens the 'box' while the guy who wanted it, is still busy. Really is lame, and not very polite. In fact rude, towards people who were there before them trying to get some thing. While not much can be done to change peoples attitudes and behaviour over being a bad player, they can at least fix the re spawn timers so they are shorter on quest items.

Not another "can we have PVP with even gear please" thread. Obviously people who make threads like this, don't like the idea of any grind for gear, in any game, and really shouldn't play PVP WZ's OR play raids, if they don't like the idea of gear progression. Perhaps you don't even care for the people who spent thousands of hours of their lives by now, doing such things, and we should be happy to let everything we worked to gain from the game, be waisted and go to nothing. you CANT have War zones with out gear progression and Experience in your gear, why ??! - because if expertise and PVP gear did not exist, you would have people in raid gear dominating PVP, and now, you will then be asking for raid gear to be disallowed too in PVP WZ because its some thing else some one has that you haven't and you don't want to work for. I am sorry you don't have enough hours in your day because of your job, and your family, to play this at the level other people do, but it really is mud pie, its just going to take you a while to progress, if you want to stick to it, its some thing only you can decide. People play at different levels and there are always better geared and skilled players than others, removing gear, actually doesn't solve anything, and will only just buff other players anyway who already have 'better' PVE gear than others. So sorry no, it never will be an even or 'fair' playing field. My two cents !

"Force Speed" lol at that one.. means NOTHING against enemies who have a 30 meter target range, Force speed isn't anything, trust me.

Anyone who has eyes, can see they are over powered, but they will still be defended to the hilt, to make sure the remain at the top of the charts on everything.

to be honest, with un constructive and lame replies like this, I wouldn't be surprised if people did un sub, but not because you told them too, more like a general lack of maturity problem. The answer is not to re roll flavour of the month, people who do this every time a new class take centre stage, are the ones who 'should' unsub. Why ? because people like this are bad at all the other classes they play, and take no time to learn 'skill'. Rolling as a mara or a sentinel doesn't require ANY skill at all.. and neither does playing one. Press any button you like and just watch 2 -3 enemies get melted away, while you just hit your god mode. Really.. Lets all roll sentinels and Marauders ! - solves everything.

Mara's and sentinels : you still have your god mode button.. this only removed some thing that doesn't work, so stop crying about it.

I have played a Shadow since launch, and see what the OP is saying about Force cloak, it IS essentially broken, in fact it really doesn't work 9 times out of 10, EVEN when you have popped Resilience also. You can still be dotted and pulled from stealth as soon as you went into it. I couldn't careless if they removed this ability from the shadow, it doesn't work properly most of the time anyway. I have even seen the same comments from some Assassin's about their mirror version too. I don't think its just one or two people who have noticed how bad this ability is, in many ways many of us think camo is much better, although works in very different ways. (For a start its not permanent) .. but even so.. its a better gap closer than Shadows have anyway IMO.

Not that I even care about Valor anyway, but if people want to leave, let them go. There are multitudes of reasons for why people quit, and to be honest, some times the team does better with out that person anyway, but we would never of known some of the time, because they quit ! a non contributing player, will just ruin the team's chances of winning anyway, better to be replaced with some one who might have a go, and try their best.

now, I'm actually glad I am not on an RP server !

happened to me yesterday - this thread has my vote for sure. Waiting 5 mins in a queue to find I was put right in the end of a match, it happened at least twice yesterday, and got zero's across the board, for no fault of my own.

okaaay, go on... well your choice, I really didn't need that gear either, so yeah, took the money too ! I tell lots of people they need to get recruit gear, if they want to enter a Warzone, and no, I am probably 'not' worse than you. Its quite a big assumption really. Those numbers aren't typical of everyone's performance either. I tend to walk out of a Warzone with people like you in that kind of gear.. but on the other hand most of the time I stay, its just that a lot of us don't like to carry you, especially when you have zero expertise equipped. Its not that your a bad player, its just that you do not have the gear to compete against the "team" that you and I will be facing against. People do have off days though, not everyone has 'perfect' matches every time. So ok, let me see, you have worst gear than the guy next to you, and he calls late (yes that is his fault not yours) but your saying its obvious your going to loose the node, ... because ?! look, Recruit gear is fine, so long as your not focused. If your not, the dps is fine. If you get focused your toast, its the nature of how this game plays at the moment. Its not the gear.. Recruit gear is fine, as I say, your putting your experience down to mainly, that a guy called late in a match, and wasn't as skilled fighter. Some people can have excellent gear, and produce low DPS numbers, its not the gear, its mostly the person, and their ability to understand their class and what's going on around them in the WZ. It essentially comes down to skill of the player. Because this guy has lower DPS than you it doesn't necessarily mean, that its the gear that's at fault in other words. Remember when 'you' had to start some where ? when people had to carry you ?? - what makes you think your special, that you shouldn't have to help people up on to the ladder so to speak ?! People who are Fresh to WZ's have to start some where, and as it currently stands, we all share the same WZ's. You can choose to walk out, that's your call, but to be honest, don't be a hypocrite either. Then stop playing pugs. Play more rated, and play with people at the same level as you, seriously, ?! moaning over carrying people who are just starting out in WZ's is really pathetic, and inconsiderate to new players. You were one once, don't make other people feel un welcome in WZ's because "I gots a War Hero" mentality. Any way thank you, really entertaining read !

I disagree with adding more power to the sage, your primary stat is 'Willpower' Shadows should stack power, not sages. So there for you should be stacking more willpower if anything. Kind of usual to recommend stacking power, then turn around and then say, "oh by the way never go into a WZ with out a prototype willpower stim" I mean why not an attack/power stim if that's the case, as it has power ? The problem is, if your going to try and heal in a War zone, you will get focused by people, always, if the team know what they are doing. Many of my sage friends tend to die about 10 or more times each match. I think its some thing they have to live with at the moment, but I really do feel for those guys. I have also a Sage healer of my own, and played a few WZ's with, its not easy at all, it takes me more effort to play as a healer in a WZ than it does for me to play DPS. So.. at the end of the day you need to think is it really worth it or not, playing a sage healer, when you thought about that a little, maybe you will now realise why so many of our Sage AND sorcerer healer friends either re rolled, or left the game entirely. !

well this BS, about power remains the same, it boosts all stats, I am sure it says so in game on the tooltips. Of course force power and tech power have their own. ONCE again, if your a Sage - use Willpower augments, if your a Shadow , use POWER. Sage - force power = Willpower - augment Shadow - Melee, healing, etc. = Power augment