easy... as you said... if they fight the mob/s and loot... they needed it. if they fight the mob/s and run off... then at least they cleared the the area for you. its not just about if you CAN handle the mobs... i have 100% +61 enchamentsto my gear.... i am essentiall ops 16 gear.... but i still cause aggro when i get near some objectives... sure i can cap it... and then run off.. causes them mobs to bug and run back.... back thats not the point i am not a *****... i sont stealth and sneak and all that ****.. if their is an elite / champion on an objective, i fight it, loot it, then cap the objective the point is... if the objective is bloody close to the mob... its 99.99% i want that objective.. so stop being a complete **** head and just chill... and for the poster above... was you life ruined to wait 5 minutes only to release it was a free cap for you? no!!!! of course it wasnt! so there is no excuse for being a complete ****!

Hey alll, Totally agree that BW/EA can help addreess this issue by reducing the respwn time on objectives to be quicker the the nearby mobs.... but you are missing the point!!!! What if the only way to cap an objective was to engage a mob... and while that is happening some low-life scum sucker caps the objectives.... before the fight is even over the objective has respawned.... so does that make being a complate A-Hole any less of a problem...?? NO!!!! it makes it more of a problem... at the end of the day.... waiting 5 secons, 25 seconds, 125 seconds is NOT the problem.. the PROBLEM is that their are cumplete degenerates who think capping an objective while someone else engages the thre is acceptable! its NOT, and it NEVER will be... you are the scum of society... and you are the REASON people leave MMOs.. F2P is a knee jerk reaction.... the did NOT need to be made.. what needed to be done, was address the player issues... which included the thieveing insentive, a-holes wow-playing jerks that pissed everyone off@!!!! so congratulations again... you low life excuses for humans and yet again ****ed up evverything for the rest of us.... you parthetic degenerites!!!!

haha actually...as a 15 year mmo vet... i dont understand why the forums go down when the servers (shards/relams/whatever)_ does.... its a massive turn off!!!!

No auguments here But i disagree on the interrupts - maybe my companiosn suck... but i often (not alwats) get interupted during the 5-second (give or take) cap of objectives... and focusing on it too much causes either my companion, me or both to die... but here... i'll take that one as a user-error and i need to Learn 2 Play As for the " its not a crime to do stuff fast " - that depends... if i am standing on the object.. and i CHOOOSE to engage the mobs... then you taking it under my feet makes you nothing more than a complate A-HOLE! Doesnt matter how you spin it... you are an A-HOLE And if you are on my server.. bring on the invites.. i have said before and will say again.. and am totally FOR random quick objective groups - this was actually one of the best features of WARHAMMER - you would literary walk into an area and the "public quest" would appear, and you would accept it... and everyone nearby would contribute to completeing the objective.... If there are special zones dedicated to "Dalies" then they should be like that.... simply having people in there.. should automatically prompt for groups/raid forumations - btw RIFT had the same thingt... just being in the area of any world type event would prompt to join the group!!! so yeah... nothing personal mate... but life is too short oto be an A-Hole... so chill out and think more about your Bro's

I always try to take it first.. .sometimes there are too many mobs, or too powerful mob that your attempt to take the objectives interupts you... so you have to FIGHT FIRST Actually i do hate you for wantitng to do it fast - IF you be an A-Hole about it!!! Hey... i am all for random fast groups to get dalies done... sadly.. these douchebags NEVER invite you to agroup and NEVER accept your invitation to a group.... But thanks for admiting you are part of the problem

Cheers all! good to know i am not alone... though sad to know so many others have this problem. And yes... it was the boxes in Black Hole that prompted this

I have no doubt this has been raised many times, but its just happened to me... AGAIN! Doing my dailies... quest object has elite standing next to it. Engage elite, and someone else comes in and grabs objective. Elite respawns before the object does - ***!!! it so sad, that we still have people out there which have zero regard to their fellow players... Well congratulations for being such a postive part of the world!!!

first off... i have been playing mmo's for so long, most of you were probably in dippers.... if you were born at all... Second off.... i have no skill... yet i earn a very healthy 6 figure salary. so with my awesome no-skills, i can buy the most awesome gear in the game, face your your leetz backsides, all because i am financially better off then you! yeeeha to the wealthy!!!! no seriously... been through so many p2p to f2p its not funny... they all end up a cesspool of who has the most money to spend to get in front... Kid yourself all you want... you only show how naive you are by denying this

first off - OMG... the SEARCH only appeared when i am creating a post..... Anyway... I play all computer games for fun.... I enjoy PvP, but in no way am I serious / competitive (like an Olympic athlete) But over the last 48 hours i have seen things worse than cheaters/hackers worse than OP / FoTM chars that cause me to die just by appearing on my screen... what i have seen is.... RAGE QUITERS!!! I stick all games out.. no matter what the score or likeliness is to win... And the amount of almost flawless wins that get turned around into a loss, or almost un changeable loss, get turned around to a win by a whisker, is quite significant. Yet of late.... if the opposition is leading by the time the first 5 minutes are up, then people yell abuse and how bad their own team is, and rage quits... oddly enough... i have had times where its been 5 or 6 vs 8 due to these rage quitters (on my side), and we still won the match... so after all my background waffle... there needs to be the 'deserter debuff' mechanism put in place to make sure these people are not warzone hoppers! Sure, i understand D/C - so lock them to the war-zone, give them a reasonable time (1-2 minutes to get back in before their spot is filled), and if they miss out, prevent them from queuing again until the match they were in is complete... any other form of leaving a match should be punished.... we cant all have flawless back to back victories, and the sooner these people realise that... the better it will be for everyone

Probably be my last post; as I still have 12 days left on my 30 days included on game purchase, and as long as i lose an entire evening each week, i have no desire to continue playing.... But here is something to think about (BioWare): Another game i played before SW:TOR is a North American company / server farm. And they are doing maitainence tonight, and here is a snippet (without giving away the game) and this is NORMAL of time, and what goes on:: "...along with some hardware upgrades at 8:00am PDT, tomorrow, 3/21/12. The estimated downtime with hardware work is ** 2 hours **...." 8am PDT is 2am AEDT.... so not only can another major MMO company find a time which does NOT impact American's but also does NOT impact other regions like Australia / NZ. FURTHER... they can do game patches in addtion to HARDWARE upgrades, and in ONLY 2 hours... *** do you do in 5-8 hours??? Seriously... many thread's, well over 1000 posts between them.. .and yet you do nothing... whatever... EDIT: not directly related... but have been looking online for other games to play, not just MMO's, but anything... i found a few which looked interesting, and recent releases (less then 6 months old) - oddly... EVERY game linked to EA had a restriction "Available to America & Canada only" - wow...

Thank you!!! ....after posting in previous threads, and after reading through many more; i was wanting to post something like that (though i would most likely have done a war n peace novel haha). But i dont want to some up what is appearing in every thread on this topic:: Using the argument "it doesnt bother/effect me, so its not a problem" is selfish and arrogant... Using the argument "majority is in another region; so rather lose minority" is beyond arrogant (thats still $4 million / month in subs being risked). Using the argument "use the time to get a life..." is ignorant - ever thought maybe people are busy 'getting a life' on other days/nights in the week? Finally... using the argument "its techincally not possible" - that is dangerously ignorant..... So some subscribers will not be impacted at all, some will be slightly inconvenienced, while others will be majorly inconvenienced. Sadly, the majority of posters who have no sympathy and / or empathy with those inconvenienced fall into one or more of the arugment types above.... Sadly they also fail to recognise that those inconvenienced actually like and want to play (and PAY) for this subscription, however if continued to be inconvenienced will move on to something else... But hey... I am not an American... so who cares if i am inconvenienced, and who cares if i take my $15 else where ??? Its not like me and my 279,999 counterparts will have any impact what soever on the future of this game if we take our $15 else where.... ...none what soever

I got to page 22 and couldnt take anymore.... PvP'ers KEYBIND is typically better (in most MMO's) PvE'ers CLICKING & KEYBINDs are typically equal (situational) EITHER type of play requires practice to be good at - so if you started MMO's as a clicker, it will take some time before you are good as a keybinder, and vice versa... BUT to sum up what 22 pages of this topic has actually proven... ...this argument is not actually about Keybind vs Clicking... its aboutPvP vs PvE.... (and the patch to seperate gear hasnt even come out yet.... sheesh!)

Hey... MY thread "http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=354507"just got closed and redirected here.... I would have posted here to begin with.. except Oceania is NOT EU... having lived / worked in England / London for 4 years, and played several MMO's on EU deployments... i can assure you 100% the EU timezone is not comparible to AU/NZ at all.... But anyway... onto the general topic that maitenance is occuring during some regions prime time, and also is extremely long in duration (6-8 hours). Which is rarely seen even for major content patches like expansions.... While some people seem to not care; some (AU/NZ) even welcome the down time as a chance to do "other things".... lets not be selfish and assume that everyone can play everyday all day.... Some people do only play 1-2 evenings a week... and for some people... due to "other thins" (insert other things like, partner children, family, sports, social clubs, work, etc), and for some people Tuesday is their SW:TOR day... Having worked for several multi-national global corporations, I can assue those who are not aware; any system down time must be planned carefully as not to take away services from Clients... and that almost always meant working strange hours (like 3-5am patches for ME the one doing it). Being lazy / cheap and doing global maitence when it suites your employeees, but not your clients, is the quickest way to loose said clients. So if Bioware are willing to invest in an actually deployment of Aussie (NZ) based Servers..... they can invest in staff to perform patches during Aussie (NZ) day, and not during our PRIME TIME.... As for the EU guys... been back in Oz for 3 years now, so need to think about how bad it is for you.. but sorry if you also are getting robbed of game time due to cheapscape / lazyiness.... All we can do now is hope.....

I purchased this game on 1/03/2012 - the offical Australian release (i decided not to import like alot of other Australia / New Zealander's did). I really really like this game, and its a refreshing change to all the WoW clones out there... so great job on that front. Being an Australian, we Aussie's have to connect typically to a US server for any MMO worth mentioning; and we have spend our MMO life dealing with huge latency in comparsion to our US counter parts (making top end Raiding and PvP allot harder). As SW:TOR is the first game (worth mentioning) to release a REAL Aussie server (not just one flagged a Oceania so people can identify which server will have most people from their time zone to choose); its great to finally play an MMO with decent low latency. HOWEVER:..... Last week (6/03/2012) we got hit by a 7 hour patch in PRIME TIME!!!! And the anouncment of tommorows patch of the same 6-7 hour PRIME TIME patch and flagged as "WEEKLY MAINTENANCE" means that anyone playing on the Oceania servers only get to play 6 out of 7 days a week. Sadly, every other MMO worth mentioning, even though they are US servers, their Maintence Windows do NOT take out our entire evening... typically it takes out the last 3 hours (ie 9pm or 10pm Aussie through to X am). If I had a choice between low-latency at the cost of loosing an entire day a week; or high latency at the cost of loosing a couple of hours once a week.... i would choose high latency. Appologies if this has been mentioned before.... but i know for a fact none of my friends will continue with SW:TOR if they loose an entire day a week.. especially as some of them only get to play a couple of days a week; and I am pretty sure for some of those that includes a TUESDAY...