DreadtechSavant Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, FlatTax said: Whether the BW team does or does not, they should. Morally. And as long as I'm alive, I'll advocate for positive change. What do you think, Jackie? No, BW are under no such morality at all to answer. No company is or would under the same topic. It is not a positive change as you claim, no company in their right mind would ever give out such information to their competition or customers. If you have a problem with BW and how they conduct their business in the language you are using, then you do not come here to voice them, certainly not in the regards to this topic when you are claiming such bad business practice. You either do it with private messages to the individual or you go straight to Watchdog or the equivalent Independant oversite company to where BW is based that's what it's for. You won't do that though as you know full well you don't have a case to begin with, other than you don't like it. Edited October 18, 2022 by DreadtechSavant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicalPremise Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 On 9/24/2022 at 9:57 PM, CatrinTheWonk said: There were (*drum roll*) six (6) platinum items. MAN, it's been a long time since I was last here. Anyway... There's one teensy problem with your precis here, doc. I am not a lawyer, but I do gamble a lot in Vegas and other places and I've seen some idiots there try to sue casinos. Your definition of a 'hit' is a platinum item. The problem is that if you open a box, you get something. If you roll a slot machine, a hit is a return of ANYTHING, including a 1:1 payout. Legally I am not really sure RICO can ever apply if you are not having hit rates based on get something / get nothing. Logically, the argument itself is its own query: does anything in boxes have any value to anyone if it is not a platinum item? That's going to be the biggest problem argument in any legal case, I'd think. Ethically, you're probably right. Unfortunately, this is also compromised by the fact that you can sell non-plat items on the Exchange and get credits, so there is a level of conversion there. It's a mess. I'd be interested to see what you end up coming up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatTax Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, Nee-Elder said: Not trying to flame you or anything but did it ever occur to you that perhaps Jackie/BioWare just simply isn't authorized by EA to reveal certain particular loot table %'s publicly? If so, it should be acknowledged. And changed. 17 hours ago, eabevella said: Rare items do drop so I don't give a damn as long as cartel packs only give cosmetics and the game is not P2W. *When people say "rare", most people actually mean "expensive". Our cosmetics aren't cosmetic-only. They're also mules for laundering cash into every core game system. After being laundered into Credits, cash purchases become endgame Augs, crafting crits, crafting mats, gear upgrade mats, Companion leveling, movement speed, XP boosts, inventory slots, etc. It's a pay-to-win problem concealed by the thinnest of shell games. Jackie, what's your view on these issues? Edited October 18, 2022 by FlatTax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eabevella Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 6 hours ago, FlatTax said: If so, it should be acknowledged. And changed. Our cosmetics aren't cosmetic-only. They're also mules for laundering cash into every core game system. After being laundered into Credits, cash purchases become endgame Augs, crafting crits, crafting mats, gear upgrade mats, Companion leveling, movement speed, XP boosts, inventory slots, etc. It's a pay-to-win problem concealed by the thinnest of shell games. Jackie, what's your view on these issues? "mules for laundering cash" lmao have you read what you wrote? Don't make false accusation just because you don't like loot crates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZUHFB Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 7 hours ago, FlatTax said: It's a pay-to-win problem concealed by the thinnest of shell games. What is somebody winnning again? Oh, right - nothing. Money is better invested into stake, because 97% return. In SWTOR its 0 because there is nothing to win 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eabevella Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 42 minutes ago, ZUHFB said: What is somebody winnning again? Oh, right - nothing. Money is better invested into stake, because 97% return. In SWTOR its 0 because there is nothing to win Not to mention that it's bad investment to sell stuffs bought with CCs for credits. CCs are hard currency. Credits devalue the moment you get them. Inflation is a problem, but it's not caused by Loot Crates which exists since launch. Someone is just making false accusation because they can't find a good reason to justify themselves. Wake me up when Bioware starts selling highest i-rating gears in the CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatTax Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 4 hours ago, eabevella said: Wake me up when Bioware starts selling highest i-rating gears in the CM. They sell it in the GTN, by proxy. Every time someone converts Cash Shop purchases to Credits, and buys endgame Augs off the GTN, BW is selling endgame gear. Again, it's the thinnest of shell games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZUHFB Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 44 minutes ago, FlatTax said: They sell it in the GTN, by proxy. Every time someone converts Cash Shop purchases to Credits, and buys endgame Augs off the GTN, BW is selling endgame gear. Again, it's the thinnest of shell games. Yes, but that doesn't make it pay to win. Just because someone spends 200b on gearing up doesn't mean they can "win" they still lose, just with better gear. Never mind that augs were farmed by players and thus they are not being sold by bioware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergecrs Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 2 hours ago, FlatTax said: They sell it in the GTN, by proxy. Every time someone converts Cash Shop purchases to Credits, and buys endgame Augs off the GTN, BW is selling endgame gear. Again, it's the thinnest of shell games. This theory is seriously delusional. What do you think Jackie ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eabevella Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 5 hours ago, FlatTax said: They sell it in the GTN, by proxy. Every time someone converts Cash Shop purchases to Credits, and buys endgame Augs off the GTN, BW is selling endgame gear. Again, it's the thinnest of shell games. Where can I buy 340 gears? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergecrs Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 3 hours ago, eabevella said: Where can I buy 340 gears? lol From the 340 vendor on fleet ! 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatTax Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 9 hours ago, Ergecrs said: This theory is seriously delusional. What do you think Jackie ? You're not hitting the ball over the net. But, yes! Jackie, what *do* you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ergecrs Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 hours ago, FlatTax said: You're not hitting the ball over the net. But, yes! Jackie, what *do* you think? You are correct. I hit a home run ! Jackie, if you agree keep ignoring this silly thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eabevella Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 9 hours ago, Ergecrs said: From the 340 vendor on fleet ! 😃 Oh my, I need better glasses XD Btw, Jackie, could you send about 12 gold crit augs to me? For free? I promise I'll be a good girl and won't laundry credits by selling CM stuffs on the GTN. What do you think? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illgot Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 On 10/19/2022 at 1:08 AM, ZUHFB said: What is somebody winnning again? Oh, right - nothing. Money is better invested into stake, because 97% return. In SWTOR its 0 because there is nothing to win pay to win space barbie. I agree with you, there is nothing in a hypercrate that is pay to win. The closest thing might be a weapon crystal but you can pick up those up from a crafter in game or the GTN for credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torun Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) Purchased the thirty crate option yesterday. Received 2 platinum items, 1 weapon and 1 mount. 😀 As a side note, selling both on the GTN would net me about 1B in credits, which is only approximately of 1/40th of what the same $39.99 would net me if I chose to engage the farming services of our friends in the Far East. Its is never a good idea to try to make serious credits from the CC hustle. Edited October 20, 2022 by Torun additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nee-Elder Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Ergecrs said: Jackie, if you agree keep ignoring this silly thread. me thinks @JackieKo and the rest of the BioWare Dev Team has a sense of humor about....umm.... Gambling--> https://www.swtor.com/info/news/article/20221020 (hint: be sure to unlock the NEW companion 'PH4-LNX' and see what function it activates ) Edited October 20, 2022 by Nee-Elder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueJediLord Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 5:23 AM, ZUHFB said: I feel like people care too much, why did you expect to get something? Its for entertainment, they do know the chance it takes to get one specific item, its zero - you won't get it but if you're feeling lucky you could sell the items for the desired item. Again, EA doesn't have to do anything, if people do not get the concept of gambling its on them honestly. I feel like some people think that EA is offering the game as a service and you buy from them, but its not true you are giving them money to let you play, if you choose to give them more for literally no content at all, well - bad luck. I'm sorry but it is just not on EA to protect people from, not mandatory, luck based, not promoted and cosmetic items. It overflowing in other parts of the game like augs is true for everything else too. as a business EA is known for these things little budget for this and that, but i doubt they are milking much money from this game. everything been showing so far this online game is on its last upcoming months and bioware either is letting this game to be on until they have to quit. or EA , bioware lost its new contract of starwars deal from lucas film. who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microstyles Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Torun said: Purchased the thirty crate option yesterday. Received 2 platinum items, 1 weapon and 1 mount. 😀 As a side note, selling both on the GTN would net me about 1B in credits, which is only approximately of 1/40th of what the same $39.99 would net me if I chose to engage the farming services of our friends in the Far East. Its is never a good idea to try to make serious credits from the CC hustle. Maybe things are way different on your server but just seeking the crate/packs on my server would get you around 12b. That's a little over $3 per billion credits, about 3x the prices the credit selling bots spam in fleet constantly. That's definitely close enough for "buying" credits the legit way to be an appealing option considering all the risks involved buying 3rd party. I do agree though that opening packs is probably an objectively bad idea. Edited October 20, 2022 by microstyles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatTax Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 10 hours ago, illgot said: pay to win space barbie. I agree with you, there is nothing in a hypercrate that is pay to win. The closest thing might be a weapon crystal but you can pick up those up from a crafter in game or the GTN for credits. *Everything* in the Cash Shop is potentially pay-to-win, once converted to Credits. If the shell game is convincing to someone here, all I can say is you're EA's kind of person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illgot Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 37 minutes ago, FlatTax said: *Everything* in the Cash Shop is potentially pay-to-win, once converted to Credits. If the shell game is convincing to someone here, all I can say is you're EA's kind of person. I make billions just selling crafting resources, trust me, relying on the CM to make credits is a handicap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueJediLord Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 4 hours ago, illgot said: I make billions just selling crafting resources, trust me, relying on the CM to make credits is a handicap exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoBlakkrstal Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 On 9/25/2022 at 3:33 AM, Setokai said: When it comes to the hypercrates,and the packs they come with, i look at and treat them the exact same way i would if i was buying a box of TCG packs, like yu-gi-oh or pokemon etc Yeah, let's be perfectly honest, this is exactly what Hypercrates are. It is like when I was a kid and would buy baseball cards, you don't know what is in the pack, you hope it is something good, and you trade any duplicates you get for something you do want. I remember collecting Charlie's Angels cards and buying pack after pack looking for a specific card. Probably spent hundreds of dollars trying to get that card. I eventually did, but in the end, was it worth it? Probably not, but to the 12 year old me, it really was. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torun Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 14 hours ago, illgot said: I make billions just selling crafting resources, trust me, relying on the CM to make credits is a handicap Exactly. On Star Forge, I can sell Augs for 2B each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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