TrixxieTriss Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 So it seems that there is a 16 hour difference between u and EU, so you are basically playing in the EU afternoon. As for me there is no way to play when you play That also means you mostly play with kids that are home from school, so that is why the players are as they are I guess we will only play together if I do all nighters like I do occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOfTheWarriorx Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) Sure its definitely not as at its peak, but cant say its that grim. The mega servers helped a lot and it should be fine for a while. Ohhh shizzle, What did I do now? =p Edited June 27, 2018 by WayOfTheWarriorx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOfTheWarriorx Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) Too late, this thread already has 10 pages lol. Any threads showing "bad sight" on any of the servers or threads which are created for drawing players to other server must be deleted by devs ASAP i think. Most of such threads consists of wrong/false information or the information is based on wrong circumstances (for example, saying that online on fleet is low but the guy who states this logged in during "sleeping" time of the server, or the guy may say the number of people only of one instance but there are a few other with 100+ online). Check out the Omaan man, playen all nice and stuff!! I think hell just froze over =p Seriously, good for you man. As far as the server threads, that's not a bad idea at all. While there is nothing wrong with discussing the state of things, leaving threads that dissolve into something less than ideal that really might turn off some people or make think there is something wrong with their server and should just move to another one willy nilly, that helps no one. Excellent point bro. P.S. I'm so proud of you heh Edited June 27, 2018 by WayOfTheWarriorx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merovejec Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I guess we will only play together if I do all nighters like I do occasionally. Well, im online now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTurin Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Quoted from another thread the relevant part to DM fleet being low: Given that is the European server, and the World Cup is currently on during prime time, and that's apparently a big thing in Europe, I would actually be very surprised if we didn't see a dip. There is no corresponding dip in the US servers because A. Soccer (football) is just not a big a thing here (I have to actively search out scores to find out how the matches went, instead of it being top news on things like Google News or other news aggregators) and B. The US choked hard and didn't even make it to the World Cup, so even those tangentially interested in Soccer (football) like myself aren't changing our behavior at all (but if the US was in the World Cup, I would definitely be watching that instead of playing SWTOR). If the world cup ends and there is no rise in population, then people should worry. But not while literally the most watched sporting event in the world is going on. Note, in 2010 and 2014 an average of 3.2 billion people watched the World Cup. So literally half the world's population is doing that instead of whatever other leisure time activity they did (or work, apparently a lot of places in Europe close for World Cup matches). So yeah, a population decline right now should just not be a concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpmewin Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) Players population is pretty lower when i was last time just right after server merges, a lot of quit and game is bleeding, slowly year after year. This game is playable only in prime time in few hours peak. Even US servers is pretty emplty, if we back in times i switch servers to play on US if EU was unpopular during not prime time, but unfortunately they pretty empty too. Reps always was the most unpopular side. RIP TOFN 24/7 WZ insta pops, RIP Harbinger 24/7 2-3 fleets imps and reps. Edited June 28, 2018 by helpmewin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOfTheWarriorx Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Players population is pretty lower when i was last time just right after server merges, a lot of quit and game is bleeding, slowly year after year. This game is playable only in prime time in few hours peak. Even US servers is pretty emplty, if we back in times i switch servers to play on US if EU was unpopular during not prime time, but unfortunately they pretty empty too. Reps always was the most unpopular side. RIP TOFN 24/7 WZ insta pops, RIP Harbinger 24/7 2-3 fleets imps and reps. Star Forge is the exact opposite of empty. Please reserve the matter-of-fact comments on things you have evidence to support. If I am reading your post right, you said you went to US servers, if you are saying you did that at anytime since the server mergers and found Star Forge to be empty, even lightly populated, I can't see taking that comment as anything short of an outright lie. It's very easy to take screenshots. It doesn't take a long time, and it takes 15 seconds to upload a number of screenies to an imagehost which will than give you links to those uploads for you to than insert into a posting. If 300-400 people on fleet is dead to you, Id have to question your basis for thinking that. It would be impossible to play on Star Forge and say it is anything but well populated. If you only play repside, yes, those numbers were be smaller than what you find on IMPside, but that's not the server, that's just repside. Impside has 3 instances of fleet going at the same time. You will find numbers along the lines of 180, 125, 84 among the three instances. Of course during the hours of 4am -8am numbers will get smaller, that's common sense tho, players are not all available to play at those times, they are always lower than, that's not a population or a server issue, that is a human existance issue. Produce evidence that you have accurate numbers of population levels on all servers, on rep and impside and all instances that brought you to say they are empty, slow, or low population. One instance, one side, at one time of day is not accurate information to come to such conclusions. That's cherry picking. All instances, or it's meaningless. All that does is spread misinformation, erodes moral, and quite honestly, makes you look petty and like to have a doom and gloom agenda, which, I now think you do. Anyone can make up numbers, say anything they want on a posting board. That doesn't make them true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthWoad Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) Star Forge is the exact opposite of empty. Please reserve the matter-of-fact comments on things you have evidence to support. If I am reading your post right, you said you went to US servers, if you are saying you did that at anytime since the server mergers and found Star Forge to be empty, even lightly populated, I can't see taking that comment as anything short of an outright lie. It's very easy to take screenshots. It doesn't take a long time, and it takes 15 seconds to upload a number of screenies to an imagehost which will than give you links to those uploads for you to than insert into a posting. If 300-400 people on fleet is dead to you, Id have to question your basis for thinking that. It would be impossible to play on Star Forge and say it is anything but well populated. If you only play repside, yes, those numbers were be smaller than what you find on IMPside, but that's not the server, that's just repside. Impside has 3 instances of fleet going at the same time. You will find numbers along the lines of 180, 125, 84 among the three instances. Of course during the hours of 4am -8am numbers will get smaller, that's common sense tho, players are not all available to play at those times, they are always lower than, that's not a population or a server issue, that is a human existance issue. Produce evidence that you have accurate numbers of population levels on all servers, on rep and impside and all instances that brought you to say they are empty, slow, or low population. One instance, one side, at one time of day is not accurate information to come to such conclusions. That's cherry picking. All instances, or it's meaningless. All that does is spread misinformation, erodes moral, and quite honestly, makes you look petty and like to have a doom and gloom agenda, which, I now think you do. Anyone can make up numbers, say anything they want on a posting board. That doesn't make them true. Do you genuinely think that server populations aren't low? And does everything you disagree with have to be "doom and gloom"? Can you back up your claim that star forge isn't empty with screenshots? Edited June 28, 2018 by DarthWoad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merovejec Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Star Forge is the exact opposite of empty. Please reserve the matter-of-fact comments on things you have evidence to support. As for me the game never seizes to surprise me. I mostly play after 10 pm, which is of course late and play till 1-2 am EU time, but do I complain? No. Ranked pops, regs pop, FPS pop, people gather still for operations, there are no problems. Recently to get the PVP achievos I have leveled toons on Star Forge and Satele Shan, those servers are full! I was getting constant lowbie pops! Sure I dunno what time it was there cause US like across 3 times zones + it can be EU players like me there too. It was late night my time so probably afternoon/evening time in US but there were enough people. On Darth Malgus its also very relative, when I was doing Nathema on weeked I got like 4 pops for groupfinder from 1 pm to 1 am (was ofc qued for wz in between). Then on Monday afternoon I got 8 pops!! So I really cant say what this is based on. There is definitely enough people around now, but sure, there are outside factors that influence this (summer, World Cup....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrixxieTriss Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 As for me the game never seizes to surprise me. I mostly play after 10 pm, which is of course late and play till 1-2 am EU time, but do I complain? No. Ranked pops, regs pop, FPS pop, people gather still for operations, there are no problems. Recently to get the PVP achievos I have leveled toons on Star Forge and Satele Shan, those servers are full! I was getting constant lowbie pops! Sure I dunno what time it was there cause US like across 3 times zones + it can be EU players like me there too. It was late night my time so probably afternoon/evening time in US but there were enough people. On Darth Malgus its also very relative, when I was doing Nathema on weeked I got like 4 pops for groupfinder from 1 pm to 1 am (was ofc qued for wz in between). Then on Monday afternoon I got 8 pops!! So I really cant say what this is based on. There is definitely enough people around now, but sure, there are outside factors that influence this (summer, World Cup....) 2am your time is 9pm NY, 6pm LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOfTheWarriorx Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) Do you genuinely think that server populations aren't low? And does everything you disagree with have to be "doom and gloom"? Can you back up your claim that star forge isn't empty with screenshots? I think I have no idea what the populations are like on servers I am not on. My rebuttal to you was quite specific in regard to the server being spoken of, that being Star Forge. Just as a reminder, you said it had a low population and was empty, and I said, it does not have a low population and is the opposite of empty. I do not think that everyone/everything who disagrees with me has to be "doom and gloom", If I say that is what I think, I am referring only to that specific instance. That is to say, If I say it, that's what I think about the person I'm referring to is doing. Doom and gloom as is generally accepted as meaning proclaiming the direst circumstances based on no real evidence. Opinions don't require evidence, that's why they are opinions, but, that is also why I said, don't state something as "matter-of-factly" if you cannot prove that it is. It would be fine to say, for example "I have my concerns, and it seems to me like......x,y,z". That's an opinion. Saying "all servers now have low populations", is not an opinion, that is statement. I refuted your statement as that is how it was put. "All servers" includes Star Forge. I have no idea about the state of servers I am not on, and nor do I care. You offered no evidence to support your claim. Now, you have asked me to support my rebuttal of your claim and here I am now doing so in the exact manner you have asked for. - Screenies. Yes, I can provide screenies for you. I won't state anything as a 'fact' that I cannot produce evidence by which either proves what I contend or at very least serves to show as a basis upon which I have come to form an opinion or belief on something or subject. Some subject matters are inherently opinion orientated. For example, why do more people prefer to play Impside than Pubside? That would be a subject that does not deal in facts and therefore does not require evidence to support a position, it's just an opinion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The screenies - [click on screenie to zoom in] https://ibb.co/cF9MGd [3 Instances] https://ibb.co/mXLvbd [instance 1] https://ibb.co/egoFbd [instance 2] [You are looking at approximately 325-350 people right there on fleet alone] The above three screenies show that SF had 3 instances going and than the following two show the population in instance 1 and 2. I couldn't get into the 3rd instance at the time, but it's existence is shown in the first screenie. The following screenies are just different areas on fleet I went around to to show the amount of people you were surrounded by to give a better picture of "population" as opposed to just a screenie saying "170 people of fleet". https://ibb.co/jj7K2J https://ibb.co/e77xpy https://ibb.co/gwviUy https://ibb.co/mqucpy https://ibb.co/dO83Uy https://ibb.co/g6xabd https://ibb.co/j4B1Gd https://ibb.co/m8QiUy https://ibb.co/muqiUy https://ibb.co/iCZowd https://ibb.co/hCbOUy If you would like more taken on different days so you can see this was not an anomaly, I'd be glad to do so again at your request. What you are contending may very well be the case on whatever server you play on, but it is most certainly not the case on Star Forge. You have to remember, Star Forge is the biggest server in the game and it has beyond any doubt that highest population of all the servers. That's fairly common knowledge I think. All the other servers were made from three pre-existing servers rolled into one to create the new servers. Star Forge was formed from 5 servers rolled together, with three of those servers have very decent population each on their own right. So, saying Star Forge has a bigger population, better pop times, etc. etc., in no way invalidates the possibility that other servers are not in such a good position. But, it may even be the wrong way of putting it. It may be, that the other servers, are "dead", they are normal for the amount of people who exist on those servers, and thus it isn't that Star Forge is the only good one, it's just bigger. It's like comparing the coasts. Compare the West Coast with the East of America. No one in their right minds would say either one of those coasts has a 'small population'. But, the fact non the less remains that the East Coast has a population of 112.6 million while the West Coast has a population of 50.63 million. Neither one of those are small population numbers, one is simply larger than they other. The irony being that it just so happens that Star Forge was made up of all the pre-existing East Coast servers and Satele's were West Coast servers. Star Forge has a bigger population than Satele. So it really makes perfect sense. I will never state anything about your server [assuming it;s not Star Forge] as a fact as I have no basis to form any facts about it. Edited June 29, 2018 by WayOfTheWarriorx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omaan Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 I think I have no idea what the populations are like on servers I am not on. My rebuttal to you was quite specific in regard to the server being spoken of, that being Star Forge. Just as a reminder, you said it had a low population and was empty, and I said, it does not have a low population and is the opposite of empty. I do not think that everyone/everything who disagrees with me has to be "doom and gloom", If I say that is what I think, I am referring only to that specific instance. That is to say, If I say it, that's what I think about the person I'm referring to is doing. Doom and gloom as is generally accepted as meaning proclaiming the direst circumstances based on no real evidence. Opinions don't require evidence, that's why they are opinions, but, that is also why I said, don't state something as "matter-of-factly" if you cannot prove that it is. It would be fine to say, for example "I have my concerns, and it seems to me like......x,y,z". That's an opinion. Saying "all servers now have low populations", is not an opinion, that is statement. I refuted your statement as that is how it was put. "All servers" includes Star Forge. I have no idea about the state of servers I am not on, and nor do I care. You offered no evidence to support your claim. Now, you have asked me to support my rebuttal of your claim and here I am now doing so in the exact manner you have asked for. - Screenies. Yes, I can provide screenies for you. I won't state anything as a 'fact' that I cannot produce evidence by which either proves what I contend or at very least serves to show as a basis upon which I have come to form an opinion or belief on something or subject. Some subject matters are inherently opinion orientated. For example, why do more people prefer to play Impside than Pubside? That would be a subject that does not deal in facts and therefore does not require evidence to support a position, it's just an opinion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The screenies - [click on screenie to zoom in] https://ibb.co/cF9MGd [3 Instances] https://ibb.co/mXLvbd [instance 1] https://ibb.co/egoFbd [instance 2] [You are looking at approximately 325-350 people right there on fleet alone] The above three screenies show that SF had 3 instances going and than the following two show the population in instance 1 and 2. I couldn't get into the 3rd instance at the time, but it's existence is shown in the first screenie. The following screenies are just different areas on fleet I went around to to show the amount of people you were surrounded by to give a better picture of "population" as opposed to just a screenie saying "170 people of fleet". https://ibb.co/jj7K2J https://ibb.co/e77xpy https://ibb.co/gwviUy https://ibb.co/mqucpy https://ibb.co/dO83Uy https://ibb.co/g6xabd https://ibb.co/j4B1Gd https://ibb.co/m8QiUy https://ibb.co/muqiUy https://ibb.co/iCZowd https://ibb.co/hCbOUy If you would like more taken on different days so you can see this was not an anomaly, I'd be glad to do so again at your request. What you are contending may very well be the case on whatever server you play on, but it is most certainly not the case on Star Forge. You have to remember, Star Forge is the biggest server in the game and it has beyond any doubt that highest population of all the servers. That's fairly common knowledge I think. All the other servers were made from three pre-existing servers rolled into one to create the new servers. Star Forge was formed from 5 servers rolled together, with three of those servers have very decent population each on their own right. So, saying Star Forge has a bigger population, better pop times, etc. etc., in no way invalidates the possibility that other servers are not in such a good position. But, it may even be the wrong way of putting it. It may be, that the other servers, are "dead", they are normal for the amount of people who exist on those servers, and thus it isn't that Star Forge is the only good one, it's just bigger. It's like comparing the coasts. Compare the West Coast with the East of America. No one in their right minds would say either one of those coasts has a 'small population'. But, the fact non the less remains that the East Coast has a population of 112.6 million while the West Coast has a population of 50.63 million. Neither one of those are small population numbers, one is simply larger than they other. The irony being that it just so happens that Star Forge was made up of all the pre-existing East Coast servers and Satele's were West Coast servers. Star Forge has a bigger population than Satele. So it really makes perfect sense. I will never state anything about your server [assuming it;s not Star Forge] as a fact as I have no basis to form any facts about it. Thats why they need to merge all EU servers into one to make EU server balanced to US server. In any case, for EU players sf IS DEAD. Because our timezones are pretty different, and every time me or my friends log into sf during our prime time we see only 40-70 people on fleet, low pops on everything. It is because our prime time is different from prime time of sf. But it doesn't matter since DM is fully populated, and we have all types of content active. Even open world pvp happens time-to-time on havin 4, hoth and Tatooine. So EU players are happy on dm. Yet i think EU servers should be merged into one for even better situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellarcrusade Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 One major factor for the low populations is the new conquest. It is quite possible this was the intended reason for the new conquest, to try to convince players to play other games for half the week. People will typically try to get personal conquest on a char (or couple of chars) until the guild has reached the minimum requirements. (maybe typically wednesday or thursday?) And then the number of players who continue to try to get PC (or even logs on) diminishes greatly. Since there are only 3 thresholds, guilds will typically choose one they can easily get. And since only 3 enourmous guilds can win a planet, the mass majority of guilds do not even try that anymore. Conquest is reduced us to playing the game for a day or 2 early in the week, then: see you next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOfTheWarriorx Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) Thats why they need to merge all EU servers into one to make EU server balanced to US server. In any case, for EU players sf IS DEAD. Because our timezones are pretty different, and every time me or my friends log into sf during our prime time we see only 40-70 people on fleet, low pops on everything. It is because our prime time is different from prime time of sf. But it doesn't matter since DM is fully populated, and we have all types of content active. Even open world pvp happens time-to-time on havin 4, hoth and Tatooine. So EU players are happy on dm. Yet i think EU servers should be merged into one for even better situation As I understand it bro, the issue with merging to one server has some tech issues that could be a problem for them to do. One of those is increased lag and slower performance, having that many people on one server would in effect negatively effect performance. I don't understand the specific tech reasons why that is, only that that is a problem that would occur if they did that. Another problem with that is that anytime that server goes down, they are pissing that many more people off. So instead of pissing off 5ooo people on one server now, of they merged into one, when the merged server went down now they would be pissing 15000 people, which isn't good for business. Another reason that's bad move and should be avoided unless it's absolutely necessary is that it puts the writing on the wall. It says there is no where left to go after this, if this doesn't work out, the game is over. It's bad for morale, it's bad for peoples faith in any future for the game, and would cause perspective players to potentially decide not to make an investment in a game that is already in it's death throws [even if it isn't the perception would be that it is]. You also have the issue of having large numbers of people on the same server having big differences in 'prime time'. That is an issue to some degree now, but my making a mega server everyone in Europe would be playing on the one server and there would much more prime time issues on the one server than. There is a point to which the benefits of doing it need to be considered against what kind of perception that would leave in the player base. Now, I can't speak to how things are on your server or the other European servers, if it's absolutely necessary, so be it, I would just personally not be in favor of that move if someone proposed the doing the same thing with the NA servers as it comes with some very serious and real downsides. It backs them into a corner because thereafter there is nothing they can do about population issues than, all they can do is shut down than. Also, it wouldn't matter where you lived or how close to the server you were, you would still be experiencing increased lag, not from ping but from traffic. It's like driving on a highway. If there aren't a lot of other cars you can drive 80 mph the whole way, but when there are lots of cars all trying to use the same roads at the same time, they get traffic jams and that everyone starts moving much slower than they would have if there were less cars on the road. Everyone on that server than, has their game play worsened. I don't know why that is, but there is a server capacity limit where once crossed will lead to those sorts of issues. I'm not saying don't push for it if in your opinion you think that's the best move, I'm just offering up some things to consider that would come with such a merging. Your in a position to make a judgement call on that, I'm not. People have called for a mega server in NA, there have been multiple threads about it, most people don't want it, I certainly don't. Id rather have 2 more years of good game play performance rather than 3 or 4 years of bad play because on decreased game play performance which in and of it self would cause people to leave the game. Live fast, die young, leave a pretty corpse =] Do what you think best bro. Edited June 29, 2018 by WayOfTheWarriorx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOfTheWarriorx Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) One major factor for the low populations is the new conquest. It is quite possible this was the intended reason for the new conquest, to try to convince players to play other games for half the week. People will typically try to get personal conquest on a char (or couple of chars) until the guild has reached the minimum requirements. (maybe typically wednesday or thursday?) And then the number of players who continue to try to get PC (or even logs on) diminishes greatly. Since there are only 3 thresholds, guilds will typically choose one they can easily get. And since only 3 enourmous guilds can win a planet, the mass majority of guilds do not even try that anymore. Conquest is reduced us to playing the game for a day or 2 early in the week, then: see you next week. That's so silly, what's the point if you know only those three guilds have a chance of winning, it's virtually per-ordained than. They should add some sort of 'bolster' mechanic to conquest whereby smaller guilds get some sort of buff that allows them to be equally competitive to larger guilds, this way all guides can have a fair shot at it, more competition, less lethargy about the fruitlessness of putting forth greater effort that will do nothing to improve a guilds chances. It's like sitting down to play a game of Chess that you already know you will definitely lose. I'd rather use that time than to watch XXX. Yeah, sure, you know how that ends too, but that's the kinda ending at least that doesn't leave you frustrated =p Edited June 29, 2018 by WayOfTheWarriorx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IoNonSoEVero Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 With merging the EU servers, the language issue also makes it untenable IMHO. How's that going to work in GF when you have people speaking three different languages thrown into the same group, for instance? Or are we going to force everyone to speak English, which really wouldn't be fair to German and French speakers who have their own servers right now? They could always make three different language channels but that would also mean that the people speaking those languages wouldn't be interacting in Fleet, etc. and you'd still essentially have three separate groups passing like ships in the night on the server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrixxieTriss Posted June 30, 2018 Author Share Posted June 30, 2018 I think I have no idea what the populations are like on servers I am not on. My rebuttal to you was quite specific in regard to the server being spoken of, that being Star Forge. Just as a reminder, you said it had a low population and was empty, and I said, it does not have a low population and is the opposite of empty. I do not think that everyone/everything who disagrees with me has to be "doom and gloom", If I say that is what I think, I am referring only to that specific instance. That is to say, If I say it, that's what I think about the person I'm referring to is doing. Doom and gloom as is generally accepted as meaning proclaiming the direst circumstances based on no real evidence. Opinions don't require evidence, that's why they are opinions, but, that is also why I said, don't state something as "matter-of-factly" if you cannot prove that it is. It would be fine to say, for example "I have my concerns, and it seems to me like......x,y,z". That's an opinion. Saying "all servers now have low populations", is not an opinion, that is statement. I refuted your statement as that is how it was put. "All servers" includes Star Forge. I have no idea about the state of servers I am not on, and nor do I care. You offered no evidence to support your claim. Now, you have asked me to support my rebuttal of your claim and here I am now doing so in the exact manner you have asked for. - Screenies. Yes, I can provide screenies for you. I won't state anything as a 'fact' that I cannot produce evidence by which either proves what I contend or at very least serves to show as a basis upon which I have come to form an opinion or belief on something or subject. Some subject matters are inherently opinion orientated. For example, why do more people prefer to play Impside than Pubside? That would be a subject that does not deal in facts and therefore does not require evidence to support a position, it's just an opinion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The screenies - [click on screenie to zoom in] https://ibb.co/cF9MGd [3 Instances] https://ibb.co/mXLvbd [instance 1] https://ibb.co/egoFbd [instance 2] [You are looking at approximately 325-350 people right there on fleet alone] The above three screenies show that SF had 3 instances going and than the following two show the population in instance 1 and 2. I couldn't get into the 3rd instance at the time, but it's existence is shown in the first screenie. The following screenies are just different areas on fleet I went around to to show the amount of people you were surrounded by to give a better picture of "population" as opposed to just a screenie saying "170 people of fleet". https://ibb.co/jj7K2J https://ibb.co/e77xpy https://ibb.co/gwviUy https://ibb.co/mqucpy https://ibb.co/dO83Uy https://ibb.co/g6xabd https://ibb.co/j4B1Gd https://ibb.co/m8QiUy https://ibb.co/muqiUy https://ibb.co/iCZowd https://ibb.co/hCbOUy If you would like more taken on different days so you can see this was not an anomaly, I'd be glad to do so again at your request. What you are contending may very well be the case on whatever server you play on, but it is most certainly not the case on Star Forge. You have to remember, Star Forge is the biggest server in the game and it has beyond any doubt that highest population of all the servers. That's fairly common knowledge I think. All the other servers were made from three pre-existing servers rolled into one to create the new servers. Star Forge was formed from 5 servers rolled together, with three of those servers have very decent population each on their own right. So, saying Star Forge has a bigger population, better pop times, etc. etc., in no way invalidates the possibility that other servers are not in such a good position. But, it may even be the wrong way of putting it. It may be, that the other servers, are "dead", they are normal for the amount of people who exist on those servers, and thus it isn't that Star Forge is the only good one, it's just bigger. It's like comparing the coasts. Compare the West Coast with the East of America. No one in their right minds would say either one of those coasts has a 'small population'. But, the fact non the less remains that the East Coast has a population of 112.6 million while the West Coast has a population of 50.63 million. Neither one of those are small population numbers, one is simply larger than they other. The irony being that it just so happens that Star Forge was made up of all the pre-existing East Coast servers and Satele's were West Coast servers. Star Forge has a bigger population than Satele. So it really makes perfect sense. I will never state anything about your server [assuming it;s not Star Forge] as a fact as I have no basis to form any facts about it. Are those times in the screen pics your local time and would I be right in assuming that’s EST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batwer Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Thats why they need to merge all EU servers into one to make EU server balanced to US server. In any case, for EU players sf IS DEAD. Because our timezones are pretty different, and every time me or my friends log into sf during our prime time we see only 40-70 people on fleet, low pops on everything. It is because our prime time is different from prime time of sf. But it doesn't matter since DM is fully populated, and we have all types of content active. Even open world pvp happens time-to-time on havin 4, hoth and Tatooine. So EU players are happy on dm. Yet i think EU servers should be merged into one for even better situation Absolute no. I like my german server. :wütend: There are other possibilities. Like the cross-factions PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOfTheWarriorx Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) Are those times in the screen pics your local time and would I be right in assuming that’s EST? Yes Trixxie, I'm a New Yorker so EST. I actually wanted to add a few more screenies from tonight, just to show how even at 3 AM EST we still have 3 instances and I'm getting pops like every 5 minutes, I took the screens of the servers and the pops at the same time so the time,the server, the instances and the pops could all be seen in one screenie instead of putting like 15 like I did last time cuz im an idiot and it never dawned on me to kill a few birds with one stone. [i generally like to savor kills =p, when they aren't me at least] These weren't the only pops though, I was getting pops in the time periods between what's shown in the screenies, they were like 45 minutes apart or thereabouts. I am a self-admitted *******! These are only from Imp-side. I have no idea what's going on pubside, although I will say the last 3 out of 4 matches were against full Pub teams, and even earlier in the night there was a Pub double-premade [3 Gunslingers, 2 Commandos, 1 Skank Tank and 2 healers] tearing up pug groups, they were winning of course but we had more in the damage department, but with 3 GSs with their plasma probe crap, it was hopeless, nothing you can do, they were just side my siding three plasma probe zones so it was completely hopeless, people were dropping every 3 seconds and one of em had the nuts to talk crap like we were bad. There was a 2 man variation on the last one though, so i guess that they lost two of their peeps and grabbed some new guys, one was a Sentinel. Typical double premade pub crap [sorry Trixxie, I like you but I hate pubs =] ] Anyways, just a couple of screenies these were from like 1 AM- til a little after 3 am. Pops were still coming like every 5minutes up until I signed off at like 3:30am ish or there about. Last 3 matches I played were against full pub teams. But it is Friday night so, weekends are always better. Don't usually find this many full pub teams quite that much normally. But I was happy I got so many Imp on Pub matches while I still I can. I'm getting all misty eyed over here now .... https://ibb.co/jM42Py https://ibb.co/g20bjy https://ibb.co/d642Py https://ibb.co/ghwtWd https://ibb.co/jZB5cJ Edited June 30, 2018 by WayOfTheWarriorx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrixxieTriss Posted June 30, 2018 Author Share Posted June 30, 2018 Thats why they need to merge all EU servers into one to make EU server balanced to US server. In any case, for EU players sf IS DEAD. Because our timezones are pretty different, and every time me or my friends log into sf during our prime time we see only 40-70 people on fleet, low pops on everything. It is because our prime time is different from prime time of sf. But it doesn't matter since DM is fully populated, and we have all types of content active. Even open world pvp happens time-to-time on havin 4, hoth and Tatooine. So EU players are happy on dm. Yet i think EU servers should be merged into one for even better situation Wait, did I just read this right. “You”, Omaan are saying that other EU servers are dead and need to be merged into DM! What happened to not saying negative things about other servers that could paint them in a bad light. How come there are two rules. One for you and one for everyone else. If I say something about a server (especially DM) you attack me. You even do it if I mention servers you don’t play on. So why are you now advocating server mergers? And you are also stating that SF is Dead for EU players. I have to correct you and say that SF isnt dead at EU primetime because I played on SF yesterday during EU primetime and there were 3 Imperial fleet instances and 2 full Republic at 8:45pm GMT. Lvl 70 pvp pops we’re less than 7 mins and in some cases, nearly instant. If you want to use fleet instances as comparisons There were 2 Imperial fleet instances and 1 and half Republic instances on DM at same time. I know this because I was on DM and my wife was on SF. We sit right next to each other and I can see her screen. I’m not sure what lvl 70 pop speeds were because I’m still trying to lvl some alts to 70. But low and mid tier pvp pops are between 15-50mins in those brackets. Surprisingly they are much faster before DM primetime starts. SF’s low and mid tier primetime pops alot more than DM does Lvl 70 pvp on SF pops fast in primetime as I’m sure DM does. But SF slows significantly outside of primetime as I’m also sure DM does. My observation on fleet numbers yesterday for SF at 11pm EST are 1-2 instances for Imps and 1 instance for reps. By the time you get to 2am EST, that drops significantly and has been for a about a month. This number is dropping more every week. Now both fleets are below one full instance and dropping. I know the argument is it’s “2 am” everyone’s asleep, but thats just not true. It’s 2am EST, but it’s 11pm PST, 8pm Hawaii, 6pm NZ, 4pm Australia, 7am GMT. Even if you remove all of the EST people who do shift work, there should still be enough people from around the world to fill more than one instance. There certainly was 2 months ago. You guys won’t get any argument from me about prime time on the servers. There is nothing wrong at those times, they are nice and healthy. It’s only when you get to the edge of primetime that you see it drop, which one would expect. But those drops are now becoming significantly bigger with each week. I’m not advocating mergers, that’s the last thing I want or that the game needs at the moment. But saying everything is hunky dory 24/7 as some people in this thread are insinuating, is just false and wishful thinking. None of the servers are 24/7 anymore. I would argue they are 14-18 hour 7 days a week (depending on the day of the week). It’s for that reason I’ve now started to play on DM as well as SF and SS. No one can escape the fact that the game’s population is continuing to shrink on a weekly basis. I’m sure we will see an increase again when the pvp roadmap is released, but I doubt there will be as many returns as those leaving at the moment. Even with those people coming back, they won’t hang around forever and with no major content expected till 6.0, people will continue to leave. This is no longer a 24/7 global game. It hasn’t really been for a few years. The mergers hid that for a few months, but we’ve now reverted to the same play time patterns before the mergers, except with much less people and fewer servers. This doesn’t bode well for the “total” health of the game. You can’t escape the fact that we have less people in the game than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrixxieTriss Posted June 30, 2018 Author Share Posted June 30, 2018 Yes Trixxie, I'm a New Yorker so EST. I actually wanted to add a few more screenies from tonight, just to show how even at 3 AM EST we still have 3 instances and I'm getting pops like every 5 minutes, I took the screens of the servers and the pops at the same time so the time,the server, the instances and the pops could all be seen in one screenie instead of putting like 15 like I did last time cuz im an idiot and it never dawned on me to kill a few birds with one stone. [i generally like to savor kills =p, when they aren't me at least] These weren't the only pops though, I was getting pops in the time periods between what's shown in the screenies, they were like 45 minutes apart or thereabouts. I am a self-admitted *******! These are only from Imp-side. I have no idea what's going on pubside, although I will say the last 3 out of 4 matches were against full Pub teams, and even earlier in the night there was a Pub double-premade [3 Gunslingers, 2 Commandos, 1 Skank Tank and 2 healers] tearing up pug groups, they were winning of course but we had more in the damage department, but with 3 GSs with their plasma probe crap, it was hopeless, nothing you can do, they were just side my siding three plasma probe zones so it was completely hopeless, people were dropping every 3 seconds and one of em had the nuts to talk crap like we were bad. There was a 2 man variation on the last one though, so i guess that they lost two of their peeps and grabbed some new guys, one was a Sentinel. Typical double premade pub crap [sorry Trixxie, I like you but I hate pubs =] ] Anyways, just a couple of screenies these were from like 1 AM- til a little after 3 am. Pops were still coming like every 5minutes up until I signed off at like 3:30am ish or there about. Last 3 matches I played were against full pub teams. But it is Friday night so, weekends are always better. Don't usually find this many full pub teams quite that much normally. But I was happy I got so many Imp on Pub matches while I still I can. I'm getting all misty eyed over here now .... https://ibb.co/jM42Py https://ibb.co/g20bjy https://ibb.co/d642Py https://ibb.co/ghwtWd https://ibb.co/jZB5cJ But it is a Friday night. I played yesterday when it was your Thursday night and it was very different. 24/7 “may” happen on Friday or Saturday night, but it’s not the norm for the rest of the week. You can’t gauge it on the weekend alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOfTheWarriorx Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Absolute no. I like my german server. :wütend: There are other possibilities. Like the cross-factions PvP. That could be another problem right there, if you merge the EU servers you have 3 different languages being spoken, I wouldn't imagine everyone who's from France and Deutschland speaks English. Besides not all of those countries are exactly fans of each other heh. I'm all for peace between different cultures but not everyone is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOfTheWarriorx Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 But it is a Friday night. I played yesterday when it was your Thursday night and it was very different. 24/7 “may” happen on Friday or Saturday night, but it’s not the norm for the rest of the week. You can’t gauge it on the weekend alone. This might be a cultural difference but, to Americans, Friday Night is considered "the weekend". I did point out that it is different on the weekends, but if you see Friday Night as a weekday, which technically it is, that's just a cultural difference. In essence, I am agreeing with you, the only point of difference is that when I said "weekend" Friday Night should be considered in the sense that it is a part of "the weekend". Again, I know technically it isn't, but when I said weekend, I meant Friday night as well. If you live 'down under' , I guess that means I live 'Up top", hell there are times it is literally a different day where we are AT the same time heh. Sometimes when it's still Thursday for you, it's already Friday for me hehe. Kinda weird to think about. I'm agreeing with you, it isn't like that normally. Our context was just a bit off is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTurin Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 But it is a Friday night. I played yesterday when it was your Thursday night and it was very different. 24/7 “may” happen on Friday or Saturday night, but it’s not the norm for the rest of the week. You can’t gauge it on the weekend alone. Check the post that he made yesterday at 5:30am. I'm pretty sure that the screenshots he posted at 5:30 am on Friday morning EST were not taken Friday evening . I leave it up to your deductive reasoning skils to figure out when those screen shots were taken, but I'd guess it wasn't over the weekend. In fact, I'd guess it was probably the Thursday night that you are saying you played.. I mean he could have taken them last Friday, and just saved them just to mislead everyone, but I have my doubts that he did that. Side note, I think you should probably start posting screen shots of fleet when you keep claiming it's dead. It mostly seems you are basing dead or not on PvP pops, but it's pretty confusing for all of us to keep track of whether you are playing imp or pub (something that will be moot in a couple weeks) or 70 or midbies or lowbies (and PvP pops for midbies/lowbies are really not a population issue, but a encouraging people to play those levels issue). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiesu Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) I'm imp main and I've been trying all week to get some rep command ranks for achievements, but holy damn Rep side just never pops. I counted and got 4 pve pops in imp side in an hour, and only one on rep side another hour. How do you reps ever do anything? Fleet chat is all trade chat too, its like a ghost town. Joined some random big guild too hoping they'd all just form groups in guilds but damn, all i saw them doing all week was chase Trapjaws on tattooine and run anround looking for DvL bosses. Got Zero interest for even one hm FP run from the entire guild lol Really, whats your secret. I have too good life on Imp side where my guild is constantly doing engame and imps generally pug loads too, but I'm apparently completely clueless how to get any Rep activity going. Edited June 30, 2018 by Kiesu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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