Would you be interested (more interested)in Cartel packs if...

[Eshvara]

The packs were half the price of what they are now or at least reduce by a decent amount, but the option to trade them when the timer runs out would no longer be there, and you won't ever be able to sell the items you got to other players. They are solely meant to use for yourself alone.

 

I hardly buy cartel packs let alone a Hypercrate because the chance of getting something good seems so small for quite a sum of cartel coins.

If the chance of getting items was improved by whatever percentage but the pack and all its contents were not available for trading, I'd personally would be willing to risk it!

I can only assume the price is what it is because of the value it has on the GTN.

 

The direct sales are a nice alternative, but it can still take quite a while before you see the item you want on sale as there are so many highly sought after items!

 

Would this be something you could be interested in or nah?

[orangenee]

Seeing as I only buy crates when they're on offer, yes.

[Paulsutherland]

There isn't anything in the cartel packs that really peaks my interest, the junk items I'm getting plenty of from the CXP, there are a couple of cool outfits, but I think I'd rather wait for the chance of them hitting the Cartel Market than risk opening boxes.

 

Edit: Tell a lie ... I do want the cross guard or pike saber.

Edited September 22, 2017 by Paulsutherland

[YlliyaXor]

If people had stopped buying packs when they changed them after the stronghold ones, maybe we would still have decent packs, people thought it was ok to buy less for the same price and then they tried to sell us less for an higher price and things have been coming downhill ever since.

 

They released hairstyles that were clearly bugged, people bought them, and now we have hairstyles that are superbugged.

 

First it was chance cubes, now it's just random crap from old packs.

 

There's no point is asking for better packs because people buy them even if they are bad.

 

The cartel will only get worse because people keep buying.

[Eshvara]

If people had stopped buying packs when they changed them after the stronghold ones, maybe we would still have decent packs, people thought it was ok to buy less for the same price and then they tried to sell us less for an higher price and things have been coming downhill ever since.

 

They released hairstyles that were clearly bugged, people bought them, and now we have hairstyles that are superbugged.

 

First it was chance cubes, now it's just random crap from old packs.

 

There's no point is asking for better packs because people buy them even if they are bad.

 

The cartel will only get worse because people keep buying.

 

I don't think you're getting the point of what I was trying to say.

[YlliyaXor]

I don't think you're getting the point of what I was trying to say.

 

Trust me, i get it.

 

What you are suggesting is basically the DvL packs, that we got for free, but now we would pay for them, but instead of the best items in the game we would get the current batch of mediocre items.

 

We need less used car salesman tricks like inflated prices with "discounts", and more honest sales.

 

They should stop running the Cartel like a flea market and start running it like a regular shop.

[Damask_Rose]

While I would love to have prices reduced, I wouldn't like to have the items bol. 1. Even if you want to keep one of everything there are always duplicates. There would need to be a way to eliminate unwanted items beyond disintegration. 2. Getting a full set of armor in one hypercrate is very unlikely. I would far rather buy the missing pieces from the GTN than having to buy more hypercrates and hope I get lucky.

[Eshvara]

While I would love to have prices reduced, I wouldn't like to have the items bol. 1. Even if you want to keep one of everything there are always duplicates. There would need to be a way to eliminate unwanted items beyond disintegration. 2. Getting a full set of armor in one hypercrate is very unlikely. I would far rather buy the missing pieces from the GTN than having to buy more hypercrates and hope I get lucky.

 

That's a good point, hadn't thought of that.

Edited September 22, 2017 by Eshvara

[DeVanagloris]

No i wouldnt buy. As of now, i rarely buy but if i do, it's for selling them on the gtn for fast credits. What you propose would completely remove that option.

 

Obviously i want some of the stuff from packs, but as long as they are rng i wont be opening them, so i wouldnt buy them for myself, even at half the price.

[Eshvara]

No i wouldnt buy. As of now, i rarely buy but if i do, it's for selling them on the gtn for fast credits. What you propose would completely remove that option.

 

Obviously i want some of the stuff from packs, but as long as they are rng i wont be opening them, so i wouldnt buy them for myself, even at half the price.

 

My option wouldn't remove the current packs, but rather be an adition to what's already there. You can still buy the regular ones if you wish to do so, for the price that they always have been.

[DeVanagloris]

My option wouldn't remove the current packs, but rather be an adition to what's already there. You can still buy the regular ones if you wish to do so, for the price that they always have been.

In that case i'd buy the regular ones then. I'd use the credits to buy whatever i'd like from the unsellable ones, i'd be fine with that.

[LordSkyKnight]

I don't buy gambling boxes period. It doesn't matter how you change them, I won't spend money on it. The whole concept of it is asinine. Every little trick they pull to get people to buy them is silly. I would rather see direct purchase from the shop. At least you know what you are getting no random number crap. The prices for it is utter bs either way. You cant even call them microtransactions anymore. More like take your paycheck transactions.

[xordevoreaux]

the $15 a month I spend on the game is all of the disposable income I have at the moment. I can't afford to buy cartel coins to buy packs. At least I get a few friend referral grants every month.

 

What would entice me to buy packs is any armor & weapons equipped from a pack is automatically unlocked for the account in collections. That won't happen because that would be Bioware kissing away the chance to bring in more revenue since unlocking costs cartel coins, which = money for those who aren't showered with cartel coins every month.

Edited September 22, 2017 by xordevoreaux

[beattlebilly]

Why not just make the items direct sale then, instead of keeping them as gambling packs with no way to get rid of the things you don't want but someone else might?

[Eshvara]

Why not just make the items direct sale then, instead of keeping them as gambling packs with no way to get rid of the things you don't want but someone else might?

 

I don't oppose of this idea, but I don't think it's logical for them to get rid of the gambling system as it brings in a lot of money and is addictive.

[SolarSaenz]

The packs were half the price of what they are now or at least reduce by a decent amount, but the option to trade them when the timer runs out would no longer be there, and you won't ever be able to sell the items you got to other players. They are solely meant to use for yourself alone.

 

I hardly buy cartel packs let alone a Hypercrate because the chance of getting something good seems so small for quite a sum of cartel coins.

If the chance of getting items was improved by whatever percentage but the pack and all its contents were not available for trading, I'd personally would be willing to risk it!

I can only assume the price is what it is because of the value it has on the GTN.

 

The direct sales are a nice alternative, but it can still take quite a while before you see the item you want on sale as there are so many highly sought after items!

 

Would this be something you could be interested in or nah?

 

That doesn't interest me.

It's not necessarily the price that bothers me. it's that I'm paying real life money for an RNG box, and I don't want to spend real life money when I don't know exactly what I'm getting. Yes, I *could* use the cartel allowance, but I'd rather spend that on other things, like account unlocks or buying something directly, no RNG involved.

 

When packs were first introduced on the CM and before the chance cubes were introduced, every long once in a while I would buy a pack off the cartel market. Since chance cubes were introduced, I just find it really silly to buy a cartel pack, which is it self an RNG box (the pack) that contains an RNG box (the chance cube)!

Here is what would interest me.

Just sell me the items I want and charge a "fair" price for them. (I have "fair" in quotations because reality check here. We're paying real life money for a change in pixels on our monitor).

 

All the CM armor, just put it for sale.

 

I find packs to be a little counter intuitive since the Cartel Market acts as an in game, virtual store. When I go to a real life store, say a grocery store, I don't buy an "RNG" box of groceries and hope I get the food I want. No. I get a cart, and choose the specific things I want from each department of the grocery store. I don't enjoy "gambling", as in buying something that I really don't know what I am receiving exactly.

But I guess cartel packs cater to those who probably do enjoy gambling in real life or would enjoy it.

 

Yes, I do realize that there are sections of the CM that sell armor sets, weapons, crystals, etc. directly, no RNG involved. These sections should be expanded and the role of packs be reduced, in my opinion.

The once a week direct sale of things they've recently started is nice.

[Rabenschwinge]

I rarely buy cartel packs, but I would find it pretty devastating if I could not buy outfits via the GTN anymore. That would only create another needless barrier to character customization. If that were to happen, character customisation would effectively be dead in SW:TOR and the game would no longer have any appeal to me.

 

I'd just skip to other games and try to hold out until someone else creates a Star Wars MMO.

[Eshvara]

I rarely buy cartel packs, but I would find it pretty devastating if I could not buy outfits via the GTN anymore. That would only create another needless barrier to character customization. If that were to happen, character customisation would effectively be dead in SW:TOR and the game would no longer have any appeal to me.

 

I'd just skip to other games and try to hold out until someone else creates a Star Wars MMO.

 

I never said you couldn't though.

[Quraswren]

Trust me, i get it.

 

What you are suggesting is basically the DvL packs, that we got for free, but now we would pay for them, but instead of the best items in the game we would get the current batch of mediocre items.

 

We need less used car salesman tricks like inflated prices with "discounts", and more honest sales.

 

They should stop running the Cartel like a flea market and start running it like a regular shop.

 

Very much agree with this. ^

 

I would rather see more direct sales for a lower price than RNG crates for a discounted price.

[Rabenschwinge]

I find packs to be a little counter intuitive since the Cartel Market acts as an in game, virtual store. When I go to a real life store, say a grocery store, I don't buy an "RNG" box of groceries and hope I get the food I want. No. I get a cart, and choose the specific things I want from each department of the grocery store. I don't enjoy "gambling", as in buying something that I really don't know what I am receiving exactly.

But I guess cartel packs cater to those who probably do enjoy gambling in real life or would enjoy it.

 

I believe the cartel packs primary purpose is to give players a legal in-game way to buy money. They do that but randomly distributing gear which you then meant to to sell, so that a natural balance of supply and demand kicks in. People can buy money using cartel packs without without ever introducing new money to the system only new goods, most of which cannot be traded once used anymore, hence the balance between good and money is maintained.

 

(I realise that there is an inflation going, but the cartel packs are not the reason for that.)

 

Some people enjoy trading. Some people want to have more than others while playing less (not sure whether that works out, to be actually good at trading requires not only a healthy server economy, but a lot of effort and experience). If they are willing to put money on the table they can.

 

However, I don't really see this as gambling. When you hold a cartel pack in your hands you have a choice of selling it for a relatively predictable price or to open it. When you open it you basically accept the job of bringing its content onto the market; that you actually want it for yourself is not a realistic scenario. Some packet contents are worth more than others but in the end it all evens out. The perks you inevitably get for it are the cartel market certificates and the influence on cartel bazaar vendors. It may take time, but I eventually you can buy goods from vendors that other people can't.

 

I believe a part of the motivation for the cartel packs is also that it is bad for the game, if you can buy too many desirable items directly from the cartel market, since it prevents them from actually playing the game to acquire them and to keep people playing the game is highly desirable from Electronic Arts' point of view, even more desirable than a few quick real-life $ or € for cartel coins. Thus they have a vital interest in making sure that the contents of the cartel packs end up on the in-game market and are traded for in-game currency.

[grania]

It wouldn't make any difference to me. I buy direct sale stuff and that's it, I'm inherently distrustful of these "packs", even the word sounds scammy and turns me off.

[Eshvara]

It wouldn't make any difference to me. I buy direct sale stuff and that's it, I'm inherently distrustful of these "packs", even the word sounds scammy and turns me off.

 

Yeah, quite a lot of people feel the same way, but gambling is never really on your side so what can you say really. ;/

It's no worse than scratching tickets or going to the casino.😶 Well without the RL benefit of making bank when you do win.

Edited September 22, 2017 by Eshvara

[Rabenschwinge]

I rarely buy cartel packs, but I would find it pretty devastating if I could not buy outfits via the GTN anymore. (...)

 

I never said you couldn't though.

 

What I was referring to was this:

 

(...) but the option to trade them when the timer runs out would no longer be there, and you won't ever be able to sell the items you got to other players. They are solely meant to use for yourself alone.

 

If they can't be sold for in-game currency they can't be bought.

[Eshvara]

What I was referring to was this:

If they can't be sold for in-game currency they can't be bought.

 

Well yeah, but what I was suggesting was by no means replacing the current system, just adding another. Therefore you'll still be able to buy items of the GTN from those who would choose to buy the packs that do have items for resale.

[Andryah]

The packs were half the price of what they are now or at least reduce by a decent amount, but the option to trade them when the timer runs out would no longer be there, and you won't ever be able to sell the items you got to other players. They are solely meant to use for yourself alone.

 

This idea would kill the game faster then any other idea ever presented. Their value is two fold: 1) for people who like games of chance and love it when something actually drops that they want. 2) the ability to sell or trade anything to other players that you simply do not want.

 

If CM items could no longer be sold/traded to other players... it would remove 90% of itemizations (itemizations that players actually clearly want given their willingness to buy from other players) and freeze up the player economy to the point where it collapses at some point. Wide and free itemizations in the player economy (regardless of their original sourcing) is the lubricant of the player economy.

 

I hardly buy cartel packs let alone a Hypercrate because the chance of getting something good seems so small for quite a sum of cartel coins.

If the chance of getting items was improved by whatever percentage but the pack and all its contents were not available for trading, I'd personally would be willing to risk it!

I can only assume the price is what it is because of the value it has on the GTN.

 

You clearly are someone who should not be buying packs then.. and should instead create a credit wealth plan so that you can simply purchase whatever you like for other players off the GTN. And going with your idea would completely sabotage that as a sourcing channel for your preferred play style.

 

 

TL;DR: WORST IDEA EVER... if you actually enjoy the game and do want access to a wide range of weapon and armor skins in game.

Edited September 22, 2017 by Andryah