IanArgent Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 KotFE - the character is leading an Alliance of underdogs against an Evil Empire... Where have I heard that before. Can't put my finger on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorellianWannabe Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 KotFE - the character is leading an Alliance of underdogs against an Evil Empire... Where have I heard that before. Can't put my finger on it. Really? Luke and Leia led the Alliance? I thought a woman named Mon Mothma did that, presumably with a supporting framework under her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanArgent Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Really? Luke and Leia led the Alliance? I thought a woman named Mon Mothma did that, presumably with a supporting framework under her. ... Evading the point about Alliance and Empire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolodome Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 The snow glows white on Hoth tonight Not a rebel to be seen A kingdom with ten rulers, And I'm just a has been. The Empire and Republic are going downhill Both should probably, be writing a good will! Don't fight too long, don't fight too hard Flip the deck and play your last good card Bombard, unbarred, unbarred fighting It's a knight sighting! Here we go, here we go The war it is no more Here we go, here we go Sith and Jedi are a bore! I don't care What they're going to say Let the old ways die, The gray never bothered me anyway! It's crazy how resistance Can live and let things die And the aftermath of battle Will make the children cry! It's time to see what else there is The galaxy's not just a monk's business No dark, no light, no code I say, I'm gray! Here we go, here we go I'm a wizard that's no lie Here we go, here we go I could also be a spy! Here I sit And here I'll play Let the old ways die! My power flurries through the choices all around Even though they're a bunch of crap it feels good to sit down And one choice feels crazy like a dark sith's past I'm never killing Koth, I'd rather that he last! Sike I kid, sike I kid Koth is going to die hard Sike I kid, sike I kid I'll drown him in some lard! Here I sit They all had their day Let the old ways die, The gray never bothered me anyway! I think I just spent like an hour writing this. I couldn't stop once I started, but man, it got complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanArgent Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 It's beautiful! I don't know if I can bear to read another post on this forum after reading that. (Seriously, that was great) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadtechSavant Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) It is interesting how different people see star wars. Is it Republic vs Empire? Rebels faction vs Empire? Separatists vs Republic? Or is it more Light vs Dark. More about ideology. A combination of all the above? All the above I have seen people say that, this is what Star Wars is. I guess a lot will depend on what you count as star wars, many only count the films, others will count the EU, some now of cause will say only what Disney say is cannon. Me and a friend 10+ years back talk about this a lot. This of cause was long before Disney got the Star Wars franchise. I always counted the EU, he never counted anything other than the films. So yes for him the Star Wars Holiday film counts. A film I might add I still have never seen. From my point Star wars is more than just Republic vs Empire. Reading the last few posts got me thinking about this again as Disney has reset Star Wars. Should I still count the EU? or not? You know still not decided on that. I did enjoy how you few recent posters viewed it though. Edited September 22, 2016 by DreadtechSavant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorellianWannabe Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) ... Evading the point about Alliance and Empire? No, simply thinking that a story about playing a political leader who happens to keep getting his/her hands dirty with seemingly every mission is a bad story (see most of the Star Wars novels as evidence). Plucky rebels who happen to be involved in events is different than the President and senior political/military advisers jumping in to partake in those same events. When Luke, Leia, and Han become THE major figures in their New Republic and STILL get involved in every major happening it tends to make the very idea of their republic a joke. Is there no one else that can handle any of these crises? Why does it always fall on the shoulders of a half-dozen individuals in their 60s? Besides, wouldn't it be sad if the best EA could do is ape the trilogy? It's bad enough that an old man is manipulating events while a cyborg meathead keeps killing underlings. Edited September 22, 2016 by CorellianWannabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWONRYU Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I sincerely hope we go back to Empire VS Republic after the Eternal Threat and Valk is dealt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devincor Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I agree with whoever earlier stated this is a trilogy. KotFE, KotET, and Ko---. I think they could go back to Republic vs. Empire if they want to but I don't think they do. I imagine there will have to be a split in the story at some point. The Republic players need to go back to Coruscant to take care of Saresh. The Imperial players will head back to Dromund Kaas to see Darth Acina(?) to .... reform the council or take control? I can't see them going to each others capital to deal with the problems, unless that is how they decide to start the rivalry again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolodome Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 It's beautiful! I don't know if I can bear to read another post on this forum after reading that. (Seriously, that was great) *bows* Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GelstonJ Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 The cooperation of both factions is a succeed and everyone's celebrating. "Good job, guys. Now that our common enemy is dead, what now?" "Uhm... we have been able to get along without too much complications. How about we try to solve our former issues in a normal way, this time. You know like in a 'lesson learnt" retrospective view" "Or, how about we just continue our war like nothing happened before. This way, nobody will be surprised if our current or future leaders decide to turn insane all of sudden." "..." "..." "Okay, deal." But to be honest, it wouln't be too surreal if the alliance gets dissolved at some point. Either faction just need to launch a surprise attack or some plot-of-the-day and the clash's there again. Even in WoW a common enemy hasn't stopped Alliance and Horde to suddenly turn happy-go-lucky. IIRC there were only a few key figures who chose to cooperate. I think that is a common misconception here. The Republic and the Empire AREN'T cooperating. The Alliance you are leading are people who temporarily LEFT those two nations. The Republic and the Empire are still at war and do fight, as evidenced by quite a few lines in KotFE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayhemofChaonus Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) Hm. That would pose a problem on some of my characters. If they ever do, then I feel that they must give us an option to defect or remain outside of that somehow. How will my SI continue her love with Theron, otherwise? Don't tell your Sith Inquisitor this...but I hear there are dating sites that handle cross-faction romances "Consequences schmonsequences as long as I'm rich" Holy cow... Arcann is Daffy Duck His greed and cowardice didn't clue you in? Edited September 22, 2016 by MayhemofChaonus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsillah Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 After FE, how could they? Well, it's easy really. Even poor writers can pull that off easily. Just let the Valkorion family destroy each other and then you destroy Valkorion and in the process the Eternal Throne gets blown to bits and Zakuul suffers irreperable damage. The Zakuulans have to flee and get scattered and our main characters go back home...where the Empire and Republic have started rebuilding and the old ways seep back in and start fighting over who's in control of what area in the known galaxy, ready to face a new mysterious enemy who is playing both sides against the middle and our heroes are the only ones who realise this because nobody in the dark council/senate believe us. So really, if I can make something up in 5 minutes, I'm sure they can too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanArgent Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 No, simply thinking that a story about playing a political leader who happens to keep getting his/her hands dirty with seemingly every mission is a bad story (see most of the Star Wars novels as evidence). Plucky rebels who happen to be involved in events is different than the President and senior political/military advisers jumping in to partake in those same events. When Luke, Leia, and Han become THE major figures in their New Republic and STILL get involved in every major happening it tends to make the very idea of their republic a joke. Is there no one else that can handle any of these crises? Why does it always fall on the shoulders of a half-dozen individuals in their 60s? Besides, wouldn't it be sad if the best EA could do is ape the trilogy? It's bad enough that an old man is manipulating events while a cyborg meathead keeps killing underlings. I've read a bit of history, and there's more than a few cases of a or the leader of a rebellion being a field commander as well. First example I can think of off-hand is Fidel Castro, and you could make an argument for George Washington as well, though the timing is a little different. The KotFE Alliance (whatever it's called in-game, I'm not sure we've been told, other than "The Alliance") isn't a government; it's not even an army. It's a "Special Forces" strike team and the logistical tail and security elements necessary to support. They have one warship, a couple squadrons of strike fighters, and a small conventional ground force. The Alliance controls an uninhabited planet. The PC is the field commander of the strike force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpmewin Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) Never happens, coz this game about CM fashion scene and pretty boring story if compared with classic 8 classes stories. Actually players want to continue classes stories and BW give them KOTFe, choices matter and startroopers fests lel . Enjoy. Edited September 22, 2016 by helpmewin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhaegrant Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Hopefully not. I kind of blur over with this constant focus of Empire vs Republic. As did the writers with much of the content of the vanilla game. Most of my Empire characters were fighting other Empire or third party NPCs from that planet, very rare to see a Republic enemy. The Faction vs Faction mechanic fell well short of their goal to tell a narrative in an MMO. Afterall if your side starts losing just make a character on the other faction. Saw so many of the launch restrictions lifted such as GTN opened to all (at launch this only applied to ship and Nar Shaddaa GTNs) and 'training' warzones where you could have Imp vs Imp, Rep vs Rep. And now with KotFE we see the faction/class story boil down into one. I think that is here to stay. My only hope is that the Odessen Training ground Warzone is opened up and paves the way for mixed operations and grouping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avashnea Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Hm. That would pose a problem on some of my characters. If they ever do, then I feel that they must give us an option to defect or remain outside of that somehow. How will my SI continue her love with Theron, otherwise? What about the Agent and the double agent ending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I've read a bit of history, and there's more than a few cases of a or the leader of a rebellion being a field commander as well. First example I can think of off-hand is Fidel Castro, and you could make an argument for George Washington as well, though the timing is a little different. You should read a bit more history. The last King of Great Britain to lead troops in battle (actually, you know, like, for real, fighting) was George II, in 1743. Before that, it was common for kings to fight, and even to die(1), on the battlefield, and George II wasn't the last king / ruler to fight battles in person, just the last British one. (1) Richard III of England, Harold Godwinson of England, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GelstonJ Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 You should read a bit more history. The last King of Great Britain to lead troops in battle (actually, you know, like, for real, fighting) was George II, in 1743. Before that, it was common for kings to fight, and even to die(1), on the battlefield, and George II wasn't the last king / ruler to fight battles in person, just the last British one. (1) Richard III of England, Harold Godwinson of England, etc. How does this disprove his point that it makes sense for your character to fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlavivsAetivs Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) You should read a bit more history. The last King of Great Britain to lead troops in battle (actually, you know, like, for real, fighting) was George II, in 1743. Before that, it was common for kings to fight, and even to die(1), on the battlefield, and George II wasn't the last king / ruler to fight battles in person, just the last British one. (1) Richard III of England, Harold Godwinson of England, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Monarchs_killed_in_action The Roman Emperors Decius, Herrenius Etruscus, Phillip the Arab, Gordian II, Constantine II, Julian II, Valens, Nikephoros I, and Constantine XI were all killed in battle as well. ~ Eudoxia Edited September 22, 2016 by FlavivsAetivs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanArgent Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 You should read a bit more history. The last King of Great Britain to lead troops in battle (actually, you know, like, for real, fighting) was George II, in 1743. Before that, it was common for kings to fight, and even to die(1), on the battlefield, and George II wasn't the last king / ruler to fight battles in person, just the last British one. (1) Richard III of England, Harold Godwinson of England, etc. I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not. I think you are. The PC is not "the king." The PC isn't even General Eisenhower. They're at most George Washington, and at the time KotFE takes place, Fidel Castro is probably a better fit; in that they're leading a rebellion. Not a government (yet). And up until WWI, it's very common for quite high-ranked leaders to be personally present at quite minor battles, because they had to be to exercise immediate control. There's some implications of "King Arthur Returned From Avalon" mixed in as well (another Great Leader who fights in battles.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlasmaJohn Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 His greed and cowardice didn't clue you in? Believe me I was trying to work in the "Duck Season! Rabbit Season!" sketch but work needed more attention. "Oh I get it now! Pronoun trouble! He'll shoot me when he gets home.... nyah." *Arcann and Elmer walk off towards a hunting lodge* "KABLAM!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFDebris Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 KotFE - the character is leading an Alliance of underdogs against an Evil Empire... Where have I heard that before. Can't put my finger on it. I hope they make a movie about these wars in the stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanArgent Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I hope they make a movie about these wars in the stars. Have you been hoping for that for long, or is it a new hope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 The snow glows white on Hoth tonight Not a rebel to be seen A kingdom with ten rulers, And I'm just a has been. The Empire and Republic are going downhill Both should probably, be writing a good will! Don't fight too long, don't fight too hard Flip the deck and play your last good card Bombard, unbarred, unbarred fighting It's a knight sighting! Here we go, here we go The war it is no more Here we go, here we go Sith and Jedi are a bore! I don't care What they're going to say Let the old ways die, The gray never bothered me anyway! It's crazy how resistance Can live and let things die And the aftermath of battle Will make the children cry! It's time to see what else there is The galaxy's not just a monk's business No dark, no light, no code I say, I'm gray! Here we go, here we go I'm a wizard that's no lie Here we go, here we go I could also be a spy! Here I sit And here I'll play Let the old ways die! My power flurries through the choices all around Even though they're a bunch of crap it feels good to sit down And one choice feels crazy like a dark sith's past I'm never killing Koth, I'd rather that he last! Sike I kid, sike I kid Koth is going to die hard Sike I kid, sike I kid I'll drown him in some lard! Here I sit They all had their day Let the old ways die, The gray never bothered me anyway! I think I just spent like an hour writing this. I couldn't stop once I started, but man, it got complicated. Are you kidding me? After 2 lines I knew I was SCREWED! Did Disney pay you to do that, is that what it is? If not, this was just mean man...really really mean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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