Cedia Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Eh, I've never done it because I read that there are no solo quests. Forced grouping is so 20th Century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeKoCZ Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Well that new Mount for KoTFE is like 10 million on the vendor... Dang.. if it was LEGACY unlocked I might purchase that, but 10 million... PER Mount... And apparently it doesn't even have a flourish. It's not 100% confirmed, but I'm not too kin to spend 1/4 of my money (Roughly 38m saved since 4.0 started with early access) on something that has nothing that special. For 10m at least a flourish mount would have been nice to have. None of the mounts obtainable in 4.0 have nothing that special to them. They're not even bound on pickup or legacy. You grab them, you can list them on the gtn (Although people are too stupid and greedy and try to sell them for 15m+ each). Sure, the 4 unique Roche speeders are all themed to each specialist and they're not bad for being semi-reskins because each has a slightly different 3D model, but that's it. The two purchasable with green crystals are being sold with the wrong prices as the uglier and smaller one is selling for 1000 commendatons and the slightly better looking and bigger one for 500 commendations. Then the 3 extra mounts from the heroic crates are not that particular either. They have a high drop rate, they're 2 other Roche reskins with, yet again, just minor 3D edits. The 3rd one looks like a giant fridge with a couple of wings. It's not the best mount ever, but for a rng drop is better than a lot of other ones coming in each cartel pack. But we're derailing, so I agree with the sentiment regarding the event. I've done it 3 times in 2 years. Never again. Got all the achievements I could from the operation boss(es), the "exclusive" pet from that quest chain on all 3 characters and nothing else. The rewards are nice, but they're not worth it. Or, actually. They are worth it if you have nothing else to do all day long. Semi-casual players don't have any chance to grind the reputation required to hit Legend rank fast enough even if they wanted to. And they have even less chance to grind the commendations required to afford half those rewards. Edited December 9, 2015 by JeKoCZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transcendent Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Now to the meat of the post. If someone is playing the event and wants to get that 50 gray helix schematic... as average guy (assuming the gree event happens 2 times a year), he will only have to save up for what like 2 years! Or he can buy 3 decorations, maybe just 1 if he decides to go for the really nice one. Hah! Wait until you work out how many Grey Helix / Bounty Contracts / Rakghoul DNA cannisters you would require to finally be able to get the 3 sets of gear that have been unavailable for 3+ years, so you can finally complete the Sharp Dresser Achievement. Republic and Imperial Containment Armour - 110 Rakghoul DNA cannisters / 72 Grey Helix / 94 Bounty Contracts (for each set) Bloodguard Armour - 155 Rakghoul DNA cannisters / 102 Grey Helix / 133 Bounty Contracts. So in total 375 Rakghoul DNA cannisters.246 Grey Helix.321 Bounty Contracts. ......and you are worried about decos?...... I feel sorry for the achievement and title hunters, because that's just insanely stupid "logout and not bother" grind (oh and if you'd like the decorations as well...) Sadly I'm one of those, but in this instance I find myself really not wanting to bother with it anymore due to how they decided to price these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferretfur Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Another thing could happen is to reward gray helix components for at least one or two dailies in addition to the heroic, when you have maxed reputation for the gree event, there is not much incentive to do the rest of the dailies afterwards. This would be a good idea, and for the Rakghoul event too. I remember when the Rakghoul event first kicked off you did get canisters for every mission...then it got downgraded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muljo_Stpho Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 This would be a good idea, and for the Rakghoul event too. I remember when the Rakghoul event first kicked off you did get canisters for every mission...then it got downgraded. You're remembering wrong. It was easy though to see the canisters flash by in the mission rewards for the heroic and the beacons daily when you claimed all your turn-ins and get the impression that you were getting them from more than just those two missions. And you probably would have been paying more attention to the rep items than the canisters at that point anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gblXsw Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Eh, I've never done it because I read that there are no solo quests. Forced grouping is so 20th Century. No solo quests? Are you talking about the Gree event? Maybe check it out for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordJestR Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Rewards for dedicated players. Who would have thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talimar Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 What gets my goat is that the Gree event has nothing for solo players. I can't get any gray helixs solo. Not even 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transcendent Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I totally agree with this and the OP that the Grey Helix Comps just do not drop in sufficient numbers. They should not be so tied up with the Op, but more with the event missions. They could just give a weekly mission reward for completing the set of daily missions that gives maybe 5 Grey Helix Comps. Making players focus on just the Op and heroics if they want the event reward instead of the actual quest chains just seems odd. This event would also need to be monthly to start really being able to get enough components for all the things that are available now, even outside of the Gree vendors. Agreed with this sentiment. I'm surprised that there isn't a [Weekly] tied into both this event as well as the other events, giving a nominal amount of credits, but also rewarding both reputation as well as the event currency, on par with most [Weekly] missions. Equally said, why not either; - Lower the amount of event currency required to buy items from the vendors. or - Provide event currency (even if it is only 1 Gray Helix or something) per [Daily] mission (including the PvP variants). It provides more incentive to actually do these events, knowing that by the end of the week you'll actually have made some form of progress in getting the item you may want to buy from a vendor (or multiple items). I don't care if those items are bind on pickup or bind to legacy so they can't be sold, the same with the event currency, I take no issue with that also being bind to legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branmakmuffin Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 ......and you are worried about decos?...... I feel sorry for the achievement and title hunters, because that's just insanely stupid "logout and not bother" grind (oh and if you'd like the decorations as well...) You feel sorry for people who choose to play a game that they obviously play for fun (or they would not be playing it)? Does not compute. That's like saying you feel sorry for someone who likes pizza and gets to eat his favorite pizza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibervang Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 My understanding is that the frequency of the Gree event has been increased. That's said, the payback of the Heroic is really low. On the upside, the Op is really easy, so any half-decent geared toon stands a chance to get it during that week in a 16M. Have you actualy tried the ops on HM after 4.0. It is definitly not easy. I just gave it several tries. First wipe and some kids left. Had to wait around for new people to join. Another try. Wipe. DC's and 1 had to go. Even more waiting. Got people again. People died evne faster. Then i gave up. Think i spend over an hour in there, and we didnt do it. And before you start with the l2p BS, i wasnt the one dying.... We might have had 4 and not 3 wipes. I give up with this event. The reward is way to ****** compared to time you have to put into it, and vs the amount og gree helix that is needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibervang Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 No solo quests? Are you talking about the Gree event? Maybe check it out for yourself. there are solo missions, just not some that give the gree helix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibervang Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 There might be a way to get them to increase the reward. Everybody just stops doing the event, until the increase the reward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transcendent Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Does not compute. ....and the robot from Lost in Space makes an appearance.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimjax Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I just returned back in August, and was getting used to the game. I just started doing the event stuff this last bounty hunter week, and was looking forward to doing the Gree event until I ran it tues. night. I started to realize the only way to get gray helixs was a couple of one time missions, the heroic, and the world bosses, not to mention the rep grind (which does not bother me as much as the helix rewards). I'll continue the bounty hunter week but this and the Rakghoul event are off my list of "fun" things to do in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzD Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Agree 100% with OP. It's stupid. Especially in light of the fact that many of the stack exploiters now have tons of 99stacks of Gree tokens(and tokens for all other events). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I don't always log-in to post, but when I do, Its to complain. (just like prophecy of the five...). Your TRUE issue is your server. POT5 is dead. There's more PvP on RP-PvE servers for Gods sake. Move. Your guild ship shouldn't be what's anchoring you there...LEAVE! You'll be thrilled you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danylia Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 What gets my goat is that the Gree event has nothing for solo players. I can't get any gray helixs solo. Not even 1. Meanwhile, my group waits while some Joe Schmock takes ~20 minutes to solo the Champion (supported by the healing lolpanion), stubbornly refusing to group ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muljo_Stpho Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I just returned back in August, and was getting used to the game. I just started doing the event stuff this last bounty hunter week, and was looking forward to doing the Gree event until I ran it tues. night. I started to realize the only way to get gray helixs was a couple of one time missions, the heroic, and the world bosses, not to mention the rep grind (which does not bother me as much as the helix rewards). I'll continue the bounty hunter week but this and the Rakghoul event are off my list of "fun" things to do in this game. Do world bosses give them now? I seem to recall doing the world bosses at some point and getting nothing from either of them. Only Xeno had helixes for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PulseRazor Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) OP opens with an admission that he only contributes to discussions when he has something negative to say. OP is upset because people are being rewarded proportionately to the time and effort they put into the game? Op laments that a casual user does not have as easy access to things that a player who has been around long enough to have participated in the recurring event on numerous occasions, and has thus accumulated and stored reputation and resources? OP proceeds to cry foul, and as a recourse hurls insults implying that anyone who plays more then what he has arbitrarily defined as 'casual' is somehow less of a person, citing references to the 'Vet' player having 'nothing better to do all day' and the casual player having a 'job', taking 'showers' - as if to imply that the other player does not. Edited December 10, 2015 by PulseRazor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterSpatula Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Meanwhile, my group waits while some Joe Schmock takes ~20 minutes to solo the Champion (supported by the healing lolpanion), stubbornly refusing to group ... You know, you don't have to group with him to help him burn it down, and if you do help, he'll be done faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muljo_Stpho Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) Yet it is a point worth talking about. Suppose they make the change that's been suggested a few times throughout the topic and all event missions start rewarding event currency. To be fair let's suppose that they'd also tweak prices along with that so that there's still some saving up necessary to buy a lot of the event rewards. (This is understandable and wouldn't be surprising.) So maybe offhands go from 8 apiece to 10 or 12 apiece, for example. A single character goes from being able to pull in one helix per day from the heroic to being able to pull in 5 helixes per day from the heroic and the 4 dailies (or 7 if they're interested in going into the pvp section as well for those 2 dailies). So maybe instead of cycling through 8 characters to run the heroic 8 times to earn 8 helixes (cost of one offhand) per day a player can take the time to run the full event on a couple characters for 10 or so helixes per day (possible new price for offhands). Or if they've got time for it they can spend the day cycling through as many characters as possible to earn even more by running the event as much as they possibly can. Of course the Xeno fight would continue to be the big payout of however many components that drops on you all at once. Maybe if they feel that it's necessary the devs scale that number up a bit to help it still seem like a big payout. And people interested in running the Xeno fight can benefit from the fix to the dailies as well because there's nothing stopping them from also running dailies before grouping up / after the fight's finished (not to mention all through the rest of the week after they've got lockouts on every character they wanted to fight Xeno with). They might even be able to run one while they wait for the group to get enough people joined up if the group is still in the middle of forming. Edited December 11, 2015 by Muljo_Stpho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChase Posted December 11, 2015 Author Share Posted December 11, 2015 OP opens with an admission that he only contributes to discussions when he has something negative to say. OP is upset because people are being rewarded proportionately to the time and effort they put into the game? Op laments that a casual user does not have as easy access to things that a player who has been around long enough to have participated in the recurring event on numerous occasions, and has thus accumulated and stored reputation and resources? OP proceeds to cry foul, and as a recourse hurls insults implying that anyone who plays more then what he has arbitrarily defined as 'casual' is somehow less of a person, citing references to the 'Vet' player having 'nothing better to do all day' and the casual player having a 'job', taking 'showers' - as if to imply that the other player does not. HAH You damn right I'm angry! So angry I might even rally the other 8 people who play on pot5! With the amount of time and money i've put into this game only to have Bio-ware kick me in the nards repeatedly (since just after strongholds), it finally brought me to the level of open, loud criticisms, for which I feel apologetic but what else can I do, I choose to keep playing until my guild stops and we all know how successful in game help tickets are (If you are having a great day and need to normalize I highly suggest opening a ticket to fix anything!). So My dear OP SHAMER are you actually trying to tell me you enjoy the current functionality of the Gree event? In case you missed the point there is no proportionality of effort. You need to grind psychotically to get a decent haul of items. With current prices i consider 2 to be a haul. I, like many others who have stockholme sydrome and continue to play and have maxed all reps (except the non GSF starfighter one (shudder)). Long story shorter, as a result instead of logging in to do the event people might not even log in. As you may begin to see from a broader view of things, people not excited to log in to play an event (or in general) is a bad thing. I didn't ask for easy access, as you may have read above no one even finds the event fun or worth doing at max rep, myself included. I can confirm only 1 of the 8 pot5 players enjoys the Gree Event (and all of BMF who make everyones life a living hell at that node lol) but he's never been quite right in the head. I don't really follow your last point, I was just making the post more interesting to read, much like what you and your thesaurus and dry? wit are trying to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferretfur Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Meanwhile, my group waits while some Joe Schmock takes ~20 minutes to solo the Champion (supported by the healing lolpanion), stubbornly refusing to group ... We had this exact same things yesterday. If it wasn't already enough of a problem with so many groups clustering around the three PvE pylons, we now have solo players doing it too!!! This is the biggest problem, in that as this is one of the only ways to get a Grey Helix a day, everyone swamps the area and it can take 20 or 30 mins or waiting before you can finally get 3 three bosses. Just saying they could do with linking them to something better or maybe even an instanced heroic so you don't get all the hassles of ninjas, PvP killers and the long waiting times. If it was only one heroic but one you could go in an out of with each character in an instanced area, it wouldn't be so much of a problem (I'd even do my 10 characters a day if that was the case). Somehow it seems to work better in the Rakghoul event, but that has a the scanner mission that also gives the canisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eialune Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) Instancing the Heroic would be great, or having more of them or something. Maybe claimed spawns, like the pirate captain. I play solo, but I'll group with anyone for the heroics. That said, earlier in the day, I grouped with two other players and their healing companion, and we wiped. I later duo'ed it with my husband and two companions, and we breezed through it. After the first champion, the next group (opposing faction players even) let us claim the champion 2 more times and helped us burn him down even faster. We parted ways and the mob was all theirs. I've also had people group, start the programs, decide that it was too crowded to do the champion, and leave me hanging. Or - worse - a guy that I grouped with who decided to attack a nearby flagged Pub between spawns, getting me flagged and killed in the process and derailing the mission because they were determined to "get that guy." Like I said, I'll still group with anyone for the heroics. But after two or three incidents I can see why some people would choose not to. Edited December 11, 2015 by Eialune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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