Makrogai Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Seeing many threads now with VS. threads and apparantly Revan wins all of them Delight me, how the hell does revan win over Sidious in any fight? Sidious destroyed Savage Opress and Maul without even trying in the clone wars He killed 5 of the most powerful jedi duelists at the time without even trying aswell. 3 of them all died in one blow another one died fairly shorly after, and Windu never stood a chance. He destroyed entire armadas with just his force powers and wiped out entire species He's so fast he can fade out of existance when moving. I didnt see revan acomplish anything of the above, elighten me fanboy, why is that character so powerful when he cannot even beat Emperor Vitate/Valkorion in 1v1? I thought boba fett fanboys were bad but this is just stupid Edited October 19, 2015 by Makrogai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 100% correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Here's some relevant information on the character. He's not Sidious level, but he is still extremely powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Anyone who thinks Revan can win against Sidious is rather delusional. The guy is powerful sure, but he's not at that level. However it's better than what it was before in gauging where he stands, when Revan really had nothing going for him before TOR started up other than Kotor. Edited October 19, 2015 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Still not as overrated as Kun though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasTheBeige Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Still not as overrated as Kun though. This. Revan may be overrated, but Kun didn't even come close to conquering the galaxy, like Revan would have if he hadn't been betrayed. Also Sidious' extreme power in the EU is one of the things that I view as poor writing in it. That and the Sun Crusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fyurii Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 This. Revan may be overrated, but Kun didn't even come close to conquering the galaxy, like Revan would have if he hadn't been betrayed. In all fairness, Kun too was betrayed. He at least did bring the entire Senate to their knees, figuratively speaking, through the Force alone, at the same time as defeating his former master, and walked away in one piece after showing just how vulnerable both the Republic and Jedi really were at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaulderBenson Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Still not as overrated as Kun though. This times a hundred. lol Revan has his devoted fanboys and his deranged detractors, but once you get away from the message board noise, Revan is one of the most powerful, and interesting Jedi in the franchise. In short, he's actually a very good character, and I say that as someone who isn't necessarily a "fan", but I do like the character. ----------- P. S. From all the message boards I've seen, Revan isn't even close to being the most overrated character either. There are three or four easily ahead of him. Edited October 19, 2015 by CaulderBenson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDutchman Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 So rather than post in those threads with your opinion you had to make another one? No, Revan is not as powerful as sidious. He is also vastly more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fynnlagh Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Most characters are overrated, because in the extended universe a lot of characters were created by writers who had a vision for that specific character and they made them far too powerful. Sidious is a good example why you should be careful by creating a powerful evil villain. He was a real good designed bad guy in episode 4-6 but became far to powerful in that 30 years that followed the movies. That's why, in my opinion, any Darth X vs. Darth Y almost never makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleDelirium Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I've seen someone say that Darth Revan would "stomp" Dark Empire Luke Skywalker. I laughed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falensawino Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) Revan had a better illusion when he didn't have a voice, as in back during KOTOR1. SWTOR gave Revan a voice in The Foundry flashpoint, and cheapened the character as a flashpoint boss. SWTOR:Shadow of Revan, changed the voice actor, gave him a worse voice over for SoR, cheapened him further. Revan of KOTOR1 fame is dead and buried. All we have is another dime dozen cheap MMO boss that every player roflstomped 3 billion times over. RIP Revan (2003 - 2011) Edited October 20, 2015 by Falensawino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S_W_LeGenD Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Seeing many threads now with VS. threads and apparantly Revan wins all of them Revan is one of my favorite characters in Star Wars saga and I wouldn't assert that he will win in every fight. However, I will address some of your points. Delight me, how the hell does revan win over Sidious in any fight? Revan may not manage to defeat Darth Sidious at his prime [1 on 1] but he will hold his own nonetheless and likely push him to his limits. Sidious destroyed Savage Opress and Maul without even trying in the clone wars Without even trying? Don't be ridiculous. Darth Sidious seems to give the impression that he is enjoying a duel but this doesn't imply that he is not doing his best. IMO, Darth Sidious creates such an impression to demoralize his opponents; to make his opponents believe that they have no hope. It is a sound tactic. More importantly, he had to break the coordination of the the brothers to overcome them. Watch the fight carefully. He killed 5 of the most powerful jedi duelists at the time without even trying aswell. 3 of them all died in one blow another one died fairly shorly after, and Windu never stood a chance. Another poorly constructed argument. That Jedi Strike Team comprised of 4 Jedi in total; all of them were renowned for their dueling abilities. Mace Windu is the only (genuine) powerhouse among them. Saesee Tiin is also implied to have decent Force abilities but he did not get the opportunity to bring his powers to bear during this confrontation. You may not have noticed that the Jedi committed a tactical blunder; they positioned themselves very close to Darth Sidious without realizing that they may get in each other's way (should the hostilities commence) and the Sith Lord could exploit their positioning to his advantage from such a short gap. No wonder, Darth Sidious managed to blitz those idiots from such a short gap. Luckily for Mace Windu, Kit Fisto bought him time to sink into Vaapad at the right moment and hold his own afterwards. In-fact, a source asserts that the Jedi were caught by surprise. I get the impression that the Jedi were overconfident and unaware of the capabilities of the Sith Lord and these factors worked against them. An important lesson is that one must take into account the ground realities of the environment or setting where the battle is expected to take place. This kind of homework makes difference even in real life battle scenarios. He destroyed entire armadas with just his force powers and wiped out entire species Fair point. But we haven't seen the best of Revan in the aspect of Force powers yet, so a comparison in this aspect is not possible. Revan is a master of both Light and Dark sides of the Force but he didn't prefer to flatten stuff around him due to his mindset. However, Revan sent Vitiate packing with a blast of power in a confrontation, something that nobody else have ever managed to duplicate against Vitiate as far as I am aware. He's so fast he can fade out of existance when moving. Darth Marr have a comparable showing. Yet, Revan had no trouble reacting to him in a battle. I didnt see revan acomplish anything of the above, elighten me fanboy, why is that character so powerful when he cannot even beat Emperor Vitate/Valkorion in 1v1? I thought boba fett fanboys were bad but this is just stupid Vitiate have superior showings then Darth Sidious to be honest. Besides, Revan doesn't have shortage of excellent talents. He can react to extremely fast Force-users just fine (e.g. Darth Marr) and have history of contending with some of the most potent Strike Teams ever assembled. He is undeniably among the best. Edited October 21, 2015 by S_W_LeGenD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indros Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Revan is one of my favorite characters in Star Wars saga and I wouldn't assert that he will win in every fight. However, I will address some of your points. Revan may not manage to defeat Darth Sidious at his prime [1 on 1] but he will hold his own nonetheless and likely push him to his limits. Without even trying? Don't be ridiculous. Darth Sidious seems to give the impression that he is enjoying a duel but this doesn't imply that he is not doing his best. IMO, Darth Sidious creates such an impression to demoralize his opponents; to make his opponents believe that they have no hope. It is a sound tactic. More importantly, he had to break the coordination of the the brothers to overcome them. Watch the fight carefully. Another poorly constructed argument. That Jedi Strike Team comprised of 4 Jedi in total; all of them were renowned for their dueling abilities. Mace Windu is the only (genuine) powerhouse among them. Saesee Tiin is also implied to have decent Force abilities but he did not get the opportunity to bring his powers to bear during this confrontation. You may not have noticed that the Jedi committed a tactical blunder; they positioned themselves very close to Darth Sidious without realizing that they may get in each other's way (should the hostilities commence) and the Sith Lord could exploit their positioning to his advantage from such a short gap. No wonder, Darth Sidious managed to blitz those idiots from such a short gap. Luckily for Mace Windu, Kit Fisto bought him time to sink into Vaapad at the right moment and hold his own afterwards. In-fact, a source asserts that the Jedi were caught by surprise. I get the impression that the Jedi were overconfident and unaware of the capabilities of the Sith Lord and these factors worked against them. An important lesson is that one must take into account the ground realities of the environment or setting where the battle is expected to take place. This kind of homework makes difference even in real life battle scenarios. Fair point. But we haven't seen the best of Revan in the aspect of Force powers yet, so a comparison in this aspect is not possible. Revan is a master of both Light and Dark sides of the Force but he didn't prefer to flatten stuff around him due to his mindset. However, Revan sent Vitiate packing with a blast of power in a confrontation, something that nobody else have ever managed to duplicate against Vitiate as far as I am aware. Darth Marr have a comparable showing. Yet, Revan had no trouble reacting to him in a battle. Vitiate have superior showings then Darth Sidious to be honest. Besides, Revan doesn't have shortage of excellent talents. He can react to extremely fast Force-users just fine (e.g. Darth Marr) and have history of contending with some of the most potent Strike Teams ever assembled. He is undeniably among the best. Sidious would destroy revan without even trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VitalityPrime Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Star Wars fans have the uncanny ability to take any character and hyperbole them into legends. Case in point: Boba Fett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool-dude Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) According to George Lucas, Sidious struggled against Windu and honestly lost the duel against him. Also, Yoda was starting to win the fight against Sidious towards the end of the fight, and Windu is supposedly stronger than Yoda, even if it might not be by much. So, with that said, I'd say Windu and Yoda were more than a match for Sidious, only losing because of unfortunate circumstances occurring in the fight and not lack of skill or power. Edited November 4, 2015 by cool-dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juzzyx Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) Windu beat Sidious, that is the canon. Revan would give Sidious a serious run for his money from all sources I have seen. I think this thread has done a complete 180 and instead underrated the hell out of Revan. Edited November 5, 2015 by Juzzyx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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