Please...About Darth Marr (There might be KotFe Spoilers here be careful...)

[Lordkoon]

Darth Marr's voice actor must have been reading the forums and wanting more cash . One thing I am happy about this expansion is that the bad guys on the loading screen/wallpaper aren't dead after the first day of playing it.

Now we need just wait monthly for our 20 minute chapter updates to arrive xD

[lokdron]

What? I thought it was great that she was alive and talking with him.

 

What's annoying is people thinking they need to kill off one for one on characters. That idea never made sense and is actually one of the stupidest ideas when it comes to writing stories.

 

Yeah problem is they keep killing the interesting empire characters all the bloody time. They keep doing it I have no idea why and its getting annoying that she keeps being untouched for some reason.

[XiamaraSimi]

Marr is one of the only powerful, practical, distinctly alpha Male personality characters in the game. He is not some skirt chasing romeo-wannabe creep or naive pretty boy-toy that the developers seem to *think* women like. He is the only male npc that I, as a female gamer who plays only female characters, found distinctly interesting to know more about.

 

And you kill him off and leave me with this... spineless blonde trollop of Lana who I do not want and can't seem to get through her pathetic doe-eyed head that I never will? Now, I understand that it is PC to include the option for a same-sex relationship in a character's storyline but it would be nice to have the option of informing an npc that you are flat out not interested early in the storyline interaction. It is rather annoying that I have now informed this particular npc that I would prefer her to take a long walk out of a short airlock multiple times and yet here I am stuck with her and Marr, whom I would rather have had and would have sacrificed Lana for without blinking an eye, is dead?

 

Not happy in the slightest.

 

Very well said, and summed up my feelings nicely.

 

I had the Vader "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!" moment at that scene in chapter 5, had to sit there for a bit after that one...

 

Why couldnt Satele be the force ghost, jedi love that kind of thing

[SithKoriandr]

Yeah problem is they keep killing the interesting empire characters all the bloody time. They keep doing it I have no idea why and its getting annoying that she keeps being untouched for some reason.

 

Malgus was never interesting. I'm starting to wonder if he was interesting only because of some book and less that you saw him.

 

You see him Imp side hand out some FPs. Then Ilum he comes in and betrays you. Where exactly is this awesomeness? He wasn't even really there for you in the class stories. I got just as much Satele time, when I saw her on the Black Talon FP for my Imps.

[SithKoriandr]

Very well said, and summed up my feelings nicely.

 

I had the Vader "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!" moment at that scene in chapter 5, had to sit there for a bit after that one...

 

Why couldnt Satele be the force ghost, jedi love that kind of thing

 

Marr wouldn't listen to a LS Ghost, but he'd be more than willing to give advice to a LS Jedi

[Lunafox]

I have to say that I was pretty heartbroken yesterday after playing it through on my SW. When I got to the end of chapter five, I was saddened, angry...I stopped playing for a while, and seriously questioned if I even wanted to continue after that. I basically played the rest of the game disappointed and angry. I perked up when Theron showed up, and then they did that awful nonsense with the Classic convo style that further dampened the game. :/

 

I was angry that SHE was alive, and freaking camping in the woods, while everyone else is struggling to do something and to add insult to injury, Marr appears and confirms, that there is no longer any hope for him not getting killed off.

 

Marr was charismatic, fascinating, dedicated. He was the best NPC the Empire ever had, and they do this.

 

I have to say that the barrage of strangers we were forced with, not to mention Lana started to grate on me. Perhaps it would have been less so, if my favorite hadn't died (for good) and if I might have come across someone who meant something to me, instead of assembling the droid brigade.

 

I had hoped there would be a way to keep Darth Marr alive, I had this hope, held on to it, tried everything I could to prevent him being struck down and nothing. It just broke me, and I think it's horrible that SHE is alive and well, and we'll have to put up with more of her sanctimonious garbage in the future. Hell they didn't even kill Saresh, who everyone hates.

 

I want Darth Marr back. I can't state this enough. I definitely feel like I've been kicked in the teeth, because I don't find the 'strangers' as compelling. Some are downright annoying.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Lunafox

[CommanderVintres]

YES! That's the spoiler I wanted to read! YES, YES, YEESS!

[AkeroStar]

Well I see a lot of Darth Marr support here so Im just gonna throw in what I said in another Darth Marr post. I agree, he cant die. Dx We need him now more than ever.

 

Beware long post. Im really throwing my A game here to argue why Darth Marr cant be dead for real. Hes my absolute favorite NPC in all of Star Wars Old Republic. Probably my favorite character in all of Star Wars history.

 

Just a quick comment on a post I saw while reading through these 16 pages. That Marrs death date had been added to Wiki. That is just what is known so far. It is not confirmed and it is just what it seems like. Like I say later in this huge post. That one attack cant kill Darth Marr, hes one of the most powerful sith alive. But I will get back to that later in this huge post. But who knows, for all we know Marr will be back in Chapter X, alive. Besides, never trust Wiki, it is never checked. Anyone can go in and type anything in there.

 

This is what another use said on a Darth Marr post so Im just gonna quote this.

Celise-"As for Darth Marr i still think that its a false death, played out specifically like that as a teaser to make people think hes dead, but irrespective of if you kneel or not, the emperor zaps you as well and you both wake up in a kolto tank each as its being drained away. we do not know half of the story yet to think that its all over yet.

 

i still hope there is the chance to save Darth Marr though, he is one cool cat."

 

 

 

I agree with this. The only thing that makes me sceptical is that hes seen as a force ghost/spirit talking with Satele Shan. I have a theory about that.

 

So here are my points and my theory why I think Darth Marr is alive.

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So firstly, absolute nr.1! Everyone who has seen Darth Marr in the throne room is like "hes dead" or "maybe hes not dead". Well lets see what we know. We know that Darth Marr is hit by Valkorions lightning. We know that he falls to the ground. That is in fact all we know. No one sais that hes dead, which I will get into more later. There is no heartrate monitor popping up and going "piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip" as if hes dead. He could simply be knocked out. He could be injured. Just because one is hit by lightning, falls to the ground and doesnt move does not mean hes dead. Ever heard of falling unconscious? Or yeah, getting knocked out? So everyone who sais hes dead could be wrong. Everyone who sais hes alive could be wrong. The fact is we dont know. And honestly when I saw Darth Marr get hit by that lightning the first thing I thought was "aouch, that is gonna hurt in the morning" not that he was dead. I did not get the impression that he was dead now. I interpreted it like he got injured.

 

Another thing, everyone is more concerned that the fact we see Darth Marr as a ghost/spirit means hes dead. Wrong, that could be any reason why we see him like that. It COULD, be that hes dead. But it also COULD be that he is in fact using the force to communicate with Satele from far away, or his carbonite prison. Which could just be force telepathy. Jedi and Sith have a sort of telepahy. Thats how they can do for example mind tricks.

 

So if were going to use Wikipedia as a source for facts, then here is a quote that supports my theory.

"Every Force user, Jedi or Sith, was potentially able to use this ability. The range of telepathy itself is theoretically infinite, but the telepath must be able to sense the presences of those they wish to contact. Thus, communicating with non-Force-sensitives became nearly impossible over distances greater than a handful of kilometers, and the typical upper limit for Force-sensitives was approximately 1,000 kilometers. However, individuals who either shared a biological relationship or a particularly strong emotional bond were known to communicate across far greater ranges. In extreme cases (such as the twin bond between Jacen and Jaina Solo), the link apparently had no spacial limit."

 

Now I know Darth Marr and Satele were not exactly best friends. But they are both extremly strong in the force. Which could explain how Darth Marr could communicate with Satele from example another planet. And that he did not have to be dead to do so.

 

Link to quote above:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Telepathy

 

Also about wikipedia. That Marr´s death date had been added to Wiki. That is just what is known so far. It is not confirmed and it is just what it seems like. Besides, never trust Wiki, it is never checked. Anyone can go in and type anything in there.

 

Now I will just be presenting my arguments why I think hes alive.

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A. How many have been hit by lightning and walked away? Many, like Ive lost count. Anakin, Yoda, Luke etc. Plus Darth Marr is an extremely powerful Sith. Which makes it difficult for me to accept that one attack killed him. Even if it was from Valkorion himself. Remember The Asylum? That thunder Valkorion makes The Outlander use to defeat Arcann. That was a more full power lightning attack. Compare that to what Marr got, Marr got a tiny zip compared to that. If Arcann could survive that HUGE lightning bolt, are you telling me Darth Marr couldnt survive a lightning hit that was like one tenth the strength of that huge one? And remember, it was Valkorion that was behind them both. The Outlander was just the one wielding Valkorions power against Arcann. So no, I do not believe that attack was enough to kill him. His "death" was to obvious and far to easy. If Marr was gonna die for real, they would give him a proper fight. Not a two second zap and then bye bye. Darth Marr is a far to great character to be killed of in two seconds. Hes a far to great character to be killed of at all as a matter of fact. Despite the fact that we dont encounter Marr much besides in Shadow Of Revan. We still get the sense of what kind of character and Sith he is. A strong fearless leader. A selfless Sith who is not blinded by personal goals and whos not powermad or greedy. Which you have to admit is very rare. Darth Marr has always been about one thing, The Empire and its survival. That is one thing that makes him so fantastic and epic. We survived and were frozen in carbonite. So maybe Marr is alive and possibly still frozen in carbonite. And thats why hes only seen as a force ghost, its his only means to communicate with anyone.

 

Also, why would Valkorion kill Marr? Hes a powerful strategic warrior whos kept The Empire together and leading them to victory for years. A valuable ally for someone who wants to take down the Eternal Empire. Yes it is likely that Valkorion sees Marr as a threat. So one reason, Darth Marr never trusted Valkorion, no one did. He killed everyone on Ziost after all. Marr "died" refusing to kneel to Valkorion. But what if Valkorion just incapacitated Marr? If Darth Marr sided with Valkorion he would later likely persude The Outlander to not trust Valkorion, not use his powers and such. Maybe Valkorion thought of Darth Marr as an obstacle for his goals. Because lets face it, everything thats happening now is Valkorions doing. We are the puppets and hes pulling the strings. All this, its happening because of Valkorion. He started the war so we could clean up the mess and stop his children. But he knows that we need great warriors to win. Great warriors like Darth Marr. So my point is, Valkorion couldnt afford to kill Marr because he would be a great ally to The Outlander, so he just incapacitated Marr instead.

 

This is more of an opinion then a point. But Darth Marr is like the most powerful Sith alive. Hes keeping the Dark Council together. They wouldnt listen to someone who was weaker than them. So obviously Darth Marr is stronger then the Dark Council or just as strong as them. Do you really think one hit with lightning could kill someone that strong? So how would a bolt of lightning be enough to kill him? Its just to obvious, boom were suppose to believe hes dead, its to easy. Why couldnt Valkorion just use Force Choke or his lightsaber. Why attempt to "kill" Marr in a way that he could survive from? Force lightning has never been the most efficient or effective way to kill someone. Flashback to Star Wars 6 when Luke is hit by Sidious lightning. It takes ages for Luke to get weaker. Darth Marr takes a bigger bolt then Luke in a short time. While Luke takes a longer and smaller bolt of lightning. Luke survives and he is a Jedi with not that much training. While Darth Marr is a Sith and Dark Council Member with huge amounts of training and an extremly strong connection to the force. No one can say that it has much to do with who attacks Luke and Marr. They are both attacked by two powerful emperors. So why should Luke survive but not Darth Marr? And this is up for debate, but some think the Sith are stronger then Jedi. If thats true then Darth Marr could endure an even bigger lightning hit than Luke. If Valkorion wanted Marr dead with 100% certainty, he would just have used force choke or his lightsaber. If he has one, Ive never seen Valkorion have a lightsaber.

 

A lightning attack like that is not lethal. Plus if the producers really wanted to tell us "Marr is dead". They wouldnt try to kill him with a non lethal attack. They would have a lightsaber go through his chest, or force chocked to death. They wouldnt leave this so open to interpretation. I mean why make Marr's supposed death so unfinished. Why make it so it could seem that hes alive, because he is. If they wanted him dead they wouldnt make us guess around and speculate. They wouldnt have made it seemed like "hmm, is he really dead, or just knocked out?" They would ingame have Marr killed by Arcann or Valkorion or someone and that would be the end of him. The death of Darth Marr wouldnt be dragged out into a huge "is he really dead?" debate. This is Bioware. Whenever in their past games someone has died it has been straight to the point. There has been no doubt, the character died, period. But this, supposed Marr's death is so full of holes.

 

B. Did you see the contacts in N? HK-55 is there with Marr. First when Marr was alone I thought "crap, list of dead people." But no, Theron shows up on it later. So point is, why bother have a dead guy on the contacts list? And why is he on the same list as someone alive, aka Theron? And why bother giving us affection options in conversations for someone whos not going to be alive after chapter 1? Why waste the time to create conversation options that effect his affection when he dies so early? Why bother have an affection scale on Marr at all? Because hes not dead. Think about it, Marr "dies" so fast. You have like in total 3 conversations with him before getting to the Eternal throne. Thats barely enough time to make Marr's affection lvl budge. So why include it at all? Answer, because we will have use of it later when he returns to us alive in Chapter X or later.

 

C. And like I said earlier. The fact that Marr is seen as a force ghost. Couldnt that just mean that hes communicating with Satele using the force from far away? Or couldnt it be that its his only way to communicate from his carbonite prison?

 

D. Valkorion survived inside The Outlanders mind. Isnt it possible if Marr's body was destroyed that its the same thing for him? He hitched a ride in someones head. Which could explain why we only see him communicate as a force ghost/spirit. Because his body is destroyed. Valkorion does that to, his body is dead, yet we all know hes alive inside The Outlander. So why couldnt Marr be alive inside The Outlander to or inside someone else? How do we in fact even know if Satele isnt really talking to Valkorion? We have seen his power, it would be easy for him to disguise himself as a ghost figure of Darth Marr. Ever since he jumped into our head he occasionally appears to us as a ghost figure when he stops time and presents us with some choice. So what if Darth Marr is on some world, or in prison while Valkorion is pretending to be Marr to Satele?

 

I can keep going, like I said we have seen Valkorions power. It seems to be limitless, he has literally cheated death a number of times. So what was to stop him from attacking Marr in the throne room, but preserving his life. Having Marr sent to some world or to prison while he jumped into the Outlanders head after Arcann had him killed. Earlier I said that it could be good for Valkorion to be rid of Marr since he doesnt like him or trust him. Valkorion would hardly want someone keeping an eye on him the entire time. But at the same time I said it would be very stupid to kill a potential ally as powerful as Darth Marr. So this could be a possibility for Valkorion, be rid of Marr but at the same time one day he could return and be The Outlanders ally again.

 

E. No one sais that hes dead. Valkorion doesnt, Darth Marr himself doesnt admit that hes dead and Satele doesnt. Only The Outlander because thats what hes/shes lead to believe. Which is not so surprising. If we saw someone hit by lightning then falls to the floor and isnt moving, we jump to the simplest conclusion, that hes dead. The only thing Marr sais is that he didnt realise who Valkorion was until his own life depended on it. But that isnt some admission that hes dead. That only means he didnt realise who Valkorion was until he was in the throne room. Marr is no fool, maybe he was testing Valkorion to see how much power he had. Because he knew he could take it, remember, Darth Marr is an extremely powerful Sith. Marr knows The Empire needs him, he made an alliance with the Republic because hes in that much need of help. And the Republic needs the Empire. Darth Marr wouldnt gamble his life away because of his pride or hate to not kneel to Valkorion. But wouldnt it also be a crippling strategic blow if the Empire believes its defender and champion is dead? Of course it would, a blow to morale to. So maybe it was just meant to weaken the Empire. Be a rumor that The Outlander spreads because thats what he/she thinks. But really its a false one.

 

Yes in the contacts list it sais "killed" by Valkorion. But why keep him in the contacts? Why not just add that to his Codex entry. Why mix dead people with alive people, and why in a list thats suppose to be a list of people that can help make the alliance stronger? Answer, because Darth Marr will return and help make the alliance stronger. But at the same time that Contacts list entry of Marr cant say that hes not dead because were suppose to believe that he is dead.

 

 

Ok yeah, this is just speculation based on some facts. But Darth Marr has always been my favorite bad guy ever in Star Wars. Yes more then Revan and Darth Vader. So Id hate to see him go for real. I believe that we are just suppose to think Marr is dead. Until Marr himself sais hes dead or something like that. I will continue to be hopeful that Marr is alive. Or if nothing else will come back. Remember Star Wars III? Darth Sidious sais it is possible to cheat death through the Dark Side. We have seen Valkorion do it plenty of times. So if Marr is dead, maybe he will come back.

 

However, if Marr sadly really is dead. I will definitely require some more substantial proof. But if he is dead then my Sith Warrior will take his place. Defend The Empire no matter what. Do what Marr would do. Marr's last act, if hes really dead, was to unite The Empire and The Republic and try to fight as one against the Eternal Empire. That is what I will do, honor Darth Marr.

 

But Bioware, if you have really killed of Darth Marr, you will have a lot of unhappy players. I do not understand the need to kill of epic characters. I never have and I doubt I ever will understand that.

 

So to end this, my final conclusion. Darth Marr is...NOT dead. That is if you ask me.

 

 

Edited October 21, 2015 by AkeroStar

[asithprincess]

I have to say that I was pretty heartbroken yesterday after playing it through on my SW. When I got to the end of chapter five, I was saddened, angry...I stopped playing for a while, and seriously questioned if I even wanted to continue after that. I basically played the rest of the game disappointed and angry. I perked up when Theron showed up, and then they did that awful nonsense with the Classic convo style that further dampened the game. :/

 

I was angry that SHE was alive, and freaking camping in the woods, while everyone else is struggling to do something and to add insult to injury, Marr appears and confirms, that there is no longer any hope for him not getting killed off.

 

Marr was charismatic, fascinating, dedicated. He was the best NPC the Empire ever had, and they do this.

 

I have to say that the barrage of strangers we were forced with, not to mention Lana started to grate on me. Perhaps it would have been less so, if my favorite hadn't died (for good) and if I might have come across someone who meant something to me, instead of assembling the droid brigade.

 

I had hoped there would be a way to keep Darth Marr alive, I had this hope, held on to it, tried everything I could to prevent him being struck down and nothing. It just broke me, and I think it's horrible that SHE is alive and well, and we'll have to put up with more of her sanctimonious garbage in the future. Hell they didn't even kill Saresh, who everyone hates.

 

I want Darth Marr back. I can't state this enough. I definitely feel like I've been kicked in the teeth, because I don't find the 'strangers' as compelling. Some are downright annoying.

 

Well said, I agree completely! Honestly having Marr as a possible companion/bromance/romance was the main thing I was looking forward to in this expansion, not Satele being all high and mighty as always! Sometimes I really like her but other times she's unbearable. What I think is most unfair is that even during the Twitchcon previews the developers seem to have been building Marr up, like almost hinting that if you choose the right options you can save him. Were they building him up as a way to build up stupid Valkorian? Either way, it seems pretty cruel to kill off a fan favorite when so many poorly written and dull NPCs get a free pass. It's really discouraging.

[AkeroStar]

Well said, I agree completely! Honestly having Marr as a possible companion/bromance/romance was the main thing I was looking forward to in this expansion, not Satele being all high and mighty as always! Sometimes I really like her but other times she's unbearable. What I think is most unfair is that even during the Twitchcon previews the developers seem to have been building Marr up, like almost hinting that if you choose the right options you can save him. Were they building him up as a way to build up stupid Valkorian? Either way, it seems pretty cruel to kill off a fan favorite when so many poorly written and dull NPCs get a free pass. It's really discouraging.

 

Yeah agreed. Im really hoping Darth Marr isnt dead, that bromance and him finally being a companion would be awesome. But if hes really dead. Well Bioware will have made a lot of people cry. Hes such an epic and cool character!!! One thing I hate. In the scene Marr "dies" or dies for real in. We could have gotten out of those shackles, and we just stood there while Valkorion killed him. We just watched, really its our fault hes dead. Darth Marr stood up for what he believed in and we just stood there.....If Bioware had added the option to escape the shackles we would have helped Marr. Instead of just stand there like idiots.

Edited October 22, 2015 by AkeroStar

[MissyMI]

One thing I hate. In the scene Marr "dies" or dies for real in. We could have gotten out of those shackles, and we just stood there while Valkorion killed him. We just watched, really its our fault hes dead. Darth Marr stood up for what he believed in and we just stood there.....

Agreed!

 

I know we were shackled, but you'd think we could still run at one of the guards or do *something*. The character reaction to Marr's death just seems incredibly mild. It frustrates me because I bet if Satele ends up with an unavoidable death, she'll get some lovely dying speech and last character conversation.

 

Also I believe I gained affection points with Marr as part of the chapter reward. After he was dead. Way to twist the knife!

 

As for the folks posting that maybe Marr is alive and communicating with Satele via the Force... I don't think I can get my hopes up for that. Wouldn't he have tried to contact Lana or someone from the Empire to free him so he could rejoin the fight?

 

 

Edited October 22, 2015 by MissyMI

[AkeroStar]

Agreed! I know we were shackled, but you'd think we could still run at one of the guards or do *something*. The character reaction to Marr's death just seems incredibly mild. It frustrates me because I bet if Satele ends up with an unavoidable death, she'll get some lovely dying speech and last character conversation.

 

Also I believe I gained affection points with Marr as part of the chapter reward. After he was dead. Way to twist the knife!

 

As for the folks posting that maybe Marr is alive and communicating with Satele via the Force... I don't think I can get my hopes up for that. Wouldn't he have tried to contact Lana or someone from the Empire to free him so he could rejoin the fight?

 

 

 

Yeah I agree totally. You cant even say in the character convo like "Nooo, Darth Marr NOOO!" or anything like that. And hes a pretty big character, so if hes really dead you would expect to be able to mention it somehow or mourn him or something. Not just tell the others what happened and then never speak of Darth Marr again. And yup you would expect The Outlander would at least idk tackle a guard or go for Arcann. But nooo, lets stand their like idiots.

 

I also got affection points with him, but whats the point if hes dead? Thats actually one of my arguments that we will see him as a companion again.

 

And why if hes alive doesnt he just use the force to contact Lana? Maybe it would be to dangerous for a rescue attempt. Maybe Darth Marr isnt calling for help because he believes any rescue team would be long dead before they even got close to him. For all we know Darth Marr is in carbonite right under Arcanns throne.

 

Also, no one ever talks about getting Valkorion out of The Outlanders head. Its never brought up, not even if it would mean killing him to avenge Darth Marr, if hes really dead. Which I sure as hell hope not!

 

Edited October 22, 2015 by AkeroStar

[Deakon]

Just wanted to further elaborate on some potential reasons as to why we haven't heard from Darth Marr.

 

If he was put in carbonite like the outlander (remember Arkan likes to keep his trophies), time passes in a different manner. If you recall, over the course of five years the outlander has a single dream sequence which is mostly due to Valkorion.

 

I highly doubt Darth Marr could roam freely as an undoubtedly bad@*! force ghost if he was frozen in carbonite.

 

Also, why the hell would he contact Satele Shan about the emperor 5 years later, after the galaxy was already conquered by the Zakuul Empire? Seems like a odd time to inform her, especially since to most of the galaxy he was 'known' to be dead.

 

If Marr is indeed dead... Well first off, I need to riot, then !$@*, I liked the dynamic he had with my Imperial Agent. He was the Triceracop to my Kung Fury.

[MissyMI]

I also got affection points with him, but whats the point if hes dead? Thats actually one of my arguments that we will see him as a companion again.

 

And why if hes alive doesnt he just use the force to contact Lana? Maybe it would be to dangerous for a rescue attempt. Maybe Darth Marr isnt calling for help because he believes any rescue team would be long dead before they even got close to him. For all we know Darth Marr is in carbonite right under Arcanns throne.

Well, since we won't be getting Chapter X right away, I shall join you in a bit of wild speculation.

 

 

 

I was holding out hope we'd somehow get Marr back as a companion after he remained in the Contacts list, but they did the same thing with HK-55 after he died. Though I don't believe for a hot second the droid can't be fixed, so who knows?

 

Wild speculation in support of your theory:

After Marr tells Arcann that he and the player won't give up any information, Arcann says something about them not needing to speak for that. Which seems to imply they can get information via the Force? Then after the player is frozen, the resulting war goes incredibly fast. I think Lana said it was only like 3 months before the capital worlds were blockaded.

 

Now I know Arcann has a crazy fleet and all that, but it's not like the Empire or Republic haven't fought wars before. Three months to strategic victory just seems crazy. But if Marr was alive and they were able to get information from him against his will, then they'd know almost everything about Empire defenses and whatever knowledge Marr possessed about the Republic as well.

 

And if that happened and then Marr was frozen in carbonite, after (unintentionally) betraying the Empire he worked so hard to strengthen, I could see why he wouldn't be so keen for further involvement. And Lana or the player would definitely want to find and rescue him, where Satele is much more likely to honor his wishes.

 

Alternate wild theory:

The Wookiepedia for Marr says he foresaw his own death. So let's say he really is dead. Is it possible his spirit is strong enough to possess a new body? I mean, we've only ever seen him in the masked battle armor. As long as he keeps wearing that, does it really matter what physical form he has underneath? As long as the voice actor remains the same of course. Though it doesn't seem like Valkorian can body-hop without some changes. Not sure what taking a new form would do to Marr's personality.

 

 

[AkeroStar]

Just wanted to further elaborate on some potential reasons as to why we haven't heard from Darth Marr.

 

If he was put in carbonite like the outlander (remember Arkan likes to keep his trophies), time passes in a different manner. If you recall, over the course of five years the outlander has a single dream sequence which is mostly due to Valkorion.

 

I highly doubt Darth Marr could roam freely as an undoubtedly bad@*! force ghost if he was frozen in carbonite.

 

Also, why the hell would he contact Satele Shan about the emperor 5 years later, after the galaxy was already conquered by the Zakuul Empire? Seems like a odd time to inform her, especially since to most of the galaxy he was 'known' to be dead.

 

If Marr is indeed dead... Well first off, I need to riot, then !$@*, I liked the dynamic he had with my Imperial Agent. He was the Triceracop to my Kung Fury.

 

I agree that it might be a little unlikely that Marr could just poof in as a ghost looking figure from a carbonite prison. He is an extremly powerful sith, so its possible. However unlikely or maybe likely Im just going to say its possible. That is just pure speculation based on the little facts we have. But I do agree that it is very likely that Darth Marr is in fact in a carbonite prison, since like you said Arcann likes his trophies. But, what you just said made me think of something. It could be unlikely that now all of a sudden after 5 years Marr is appearing as a ghost looking figure from his carbonite prison. So maybe he is out of the prison now but unable to get to Satele and speak to her personally. So he uses the force to speak with her.

 

 

Oh and I just thought of this. We, the player, were gonna die. Just hear me out.

 

Arcann distracted Valkorion, we killed him. His death lead to him jumping inside our mind. So logically the only way for Valkorion to jump in and out of bodies is if the one hes currently in dies. I mean that is the only way that is presented to us for Valkorion to be able to jump around in bodies. But, the producers cant just kill us, the players of. Then the story is over for good, game over. And online games have no end. So my point, I believe we will die, a real death, dead for real. BUT, we will come back to life. I mean in the future story we will hardly still be walking around with Valkorion inside our heads. He will go away somehow eventually. Not in Chapter X, I mean in the end of the FE story, or after the FE story.

 

So why do I bring this up when the topic is about Darth Marr and his true fate? Because, if we can die for real and come back to life to get Valkorion out of our minds. Then if Marr is really dead now he can also come back to life. For one hes also way more powerful then the Sith and Jedi players we play as.

 

The force is basically like magic. You can do like anything with it. Move objects, mind control. And if you have watched Star Wars Clone Wars, specifically the episodes that take place on Mortis really powerful force users can also shapeshift. The son turned into some demon bat and the daughter turns into some griffon. The power of the force is like limitless. You can do practically anything with it.

 

So my point is, even if Darth Marr is dead now, 100% dead. I believe we will die some point in the future to get Valkorion out of our heads. So obviously we will have to come back to life somehow, if we can come back to life so can Darth Marr.

Edited October 22, 2015 by AkeroStar

[AkeroStar]

Well, since we won't be getting Chapter X right away, I shall join you in a bit of wild speculation.

 

 

 

I was holding out hope we'd somehow get Marr back as a companion after he remained in the Contacts list, but they did the same thing with HK-55 after he died. Though I don't believe for a hot second the droid can't be fixed, so who knows?

 

Wild speculation in support of your theory:

After Marr tells Arcann that he and the player won't give up any information, Arcann says something about them not needing to speak for that. Which seems to imply they can get information via the Force? Then after the player is frozen, the resulting war goes incredibly fast. I think Lana said it was only like 3 months before the capital worlds were blockaded.

 

Now I know Arcann has a crazy fleet and all that, but it's not like the Empire or Republic haven't fought wars before. Three months to strategic victory just seems crazy. But if Marr was alive and they were able to get information from him against his will, then they'd know almost everything about Empire defenses and whatever knowledge Marr possessed about the Republic as well.

 

And if that happened and then Marr was frozen in carbonite, after (unintentionally) betraying the Empire he worked so hard to strengthen, I could see why he wouldn't be so keen for further involvement. And Lana or the player would definitely want to find and rescue him, where Satele is much more likely to honor his wishes.

 

Alternate wild theory:

The Wookiepedia for Marr says he foresaw his own death. So let's say he really is dead. Is it possible his spirit is strong enough to possess a new body? I mean, we've only ever seen him in the masked battle armor. As long as he keeps wearing that, does it really matter what physical form he has underneath? As long as the voice actor remains the same of course. Though it doesn't seem like Valkorian can body-hop without some changes. Not sure what taking a new form would do to Marr's personality.

 

 

This is a very nice theory. And yes HK-55 is a droid, he can of course be fixed. He might not be 100% like he was but I very much doubt that he will not be back. All droids can be repaired. So maybe the fact that they are together on the contacts list is a sort of hint that they are both coming back to life. If Marr is really dead.

 

And yes Arcann does say that. And he is also very strong in the force, mind tricks is a way he could extract strategic military information from Darth Marr and easily beat the empire. And for all we know hes got Jedi in his "trophy" collection to so he could have found a way to beat the republic to. I agree a lot that it seems super weird that Arcann beat the Empire and Republic in 3 months when they have been at war for who knows how many years. Arcann must have had some sort of trick. I know the Eternal Fleet is more advanced so they would have the upper hand against any Republic and Empire ships. But they would still need to know when and where to strike. Where the Republics and Empires bases are, codes for shields, patrols etc etc.

 

 

 

Also, if Darth Marr predicts his own death then he would be ready for it. He would know what would happen, who would kill him and such. He wasnt ready for what happened in the throne room, since he hadnt even realised who Valkorion was. So that could not be his true death.

 

Also Marr could have used Force Barrier to defend himself against the biggest blows of Valkorions lightning attack. But some still hit him since his armor was literally smoking and you could see some electricity moving around on/in him.

 

Darth Marr´s armor could have been made of a material that was resistant to electrical currents. So his armor would get hit and electrocuted. But it would not harm Darth Marr. So only the blast himself pushed him away, knocked him down and knocked him out.

 

“Darth Plagueis also implied that the users' abilities with Force Lightning would grow even stronger when subjected to their own attack.“

Couldnt that mean that Darth Marr would be able to resist Force Lightning and have built of a sort of biological defense to it? That hes less susceptible to being attacked by Force Lightning. Since Darth Marr is one of the Sith who can use Force Lightning. Over Darth Marr´s years he has very likely been attacked by Force Lightning before. So maybe after all this time hes built up a sort of resistance to being attacked by it.

 

 

Source:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_lightning

“Due to the fact that Force lightning was, at its core, simply electricity generated by the dark side, it could be grounded with any material that was resistant to electrical currents.“

Edited October 22, 2015 by AkeroStar

[Codedrago]

Well, since we won't be getting Chapter X right away, I shall join you in a bit of wild speculation.

 

 

 

I was holding out hope we'd somehow get Marr back as a companion after he remained in the Contacts list, but they did the same thing with HK-55 after he died. Though I don't believe for a hot second the droid can't be fixed, so who knows?

Wild speculation in support of your theory:

After Marr tells Arcann that he and the player won't give up any information, Arcann says something about them not needing to speak for that. Which seems to imply they can get information via the Force? Then after the player is frozen, the resulting war goes incredibly fast. I think Lana said it was only like 3 months before the capital worlds were blockaded.

 

Now I know Arcann has a crazy fleet and all that, but it's not like the Empire or Republic haven't fought wars before. Three months to strategic victory just seems crazy. But if Marr was alive and they were able to get information from him against his will, then they'd know almost everything about Empire defenses and whatever knowledge Marr possessed about the Republic as well.

 

And if that happened and then Marr was frozen in carbonite, after (unintentionally) betraying the Empire he worked so hard to strengthen, I could see why he wouldn't be so keen for further involvement. And Lana or the player would definitely want to find and rescue him, where Satele is much more likely to honor his wishes.

 

Alternate wild theory:

The Wookiepedia for Marr says he foresaw his own death. So let's say he really is dead. Is it possible his spirit is strong enough to possess a new body? I mean, we've only ever seen him in the masked battle armor. As long as he keeps wearing that, does it really matter what physical form he has underneath? As long as the voice actor remains the same of course. Though it doesn't seem like Valkorian can body-hop without some changes. Not sure what taking a new form would do to Marr's personality.

 

 

Yeah, with HK it's rather unconvincing that he can't just be put back together. just look at HK-47, who's been turned to scrap in the Foundry, left to gather dust on a EXPLODING SPACE STATION and he was still brought back to get blown up again on Yavin 4. If he can keep being rebuilt after those times, I'LL FIND IT HAD TO believe that a later (And probably more durable model) is unfixable due to that one attack.

[Codedrago]

Also, with pirit Marr. Maybe it's not Marr at all, maybe Satel got drunk and has started hallucinating!

[Lord_Iurus]

It's my speculation that if you max out his influence with companion gifts before the scene happens

he survives.

[AkeroStar]

It's my speculation that if you max out his influence with companion gifts before the scene happens

he survives.

 

Please test that theory and let us know what happens.

[Rammlog]

Please test that theory and let us know what happens.

 

At the moment i don't remember where i found this but, there are supposed to be hidden achievements, like getting Lana and/or Marr etc influence to certain level.

 

And getting influence level to 50 fast is going to cost a lot of creds so anyone with enough credits to test it, please do it.

 

And btw,

Marr likes Weapon and Military Gear gifts, Favorites Trophy gifts and Loves Technology gifts.

[AkeroStar]

At the moment i don't remember where i found this but, there are supposed to be hidden achievements, like getting Lana and/or Marr etc influence to certain level.

 

And getting influence level to 50 fast is going to cost a lot of creds so anyone with enough credits to test it, please do it.

 

And btw,

Marr likes Weapon and Military Gear gifts, Favorites Trophy gifts and Loves Technology gifts.

 

Bioware is famous for having secret ways to save companions. For example, Mass Effect 2. No one knew all companions would die if you didnt do some missions and talk to them enough. So it wont suprise me one bit if there is a secret way to save Marr. I just hope were right.

[CloudCastle]

After watching that scene in the throne room, I wasn't convinced he was gone. I was thinking he'd show up later, a few carbonite slabs down from us (like neighbors!) and we'd be busting him out at some point too.

 

Then Chapter 5 happened and that threw me for a loop. However, some things about Marr's death and his treatment as a game companion still don't sit right with me:

 

1) Moments after Marr is blasted with lightning, we see Valkorian do the exact same thing to Arkann, yet he gets back up and walks away from it.

 

2) Marr has an influence meter and gets "approval" or "disapproval" messages during conversations. Why would BW bother with that if Marr was going to be just killed off so early in the story anyway? Why bother making Marr a companion at all? They could have had him just run around the ship with you as an NPC, fighting alongside you, like we've already done in game with other characters before.

 

I think BW may be messing with us. I'm prepared to accept that Marr could also be truly dead, but I still have hope.

[AkeroStar]

After watching that scene in the throne room, I wasn't convinced he was gone. I was thinking he'd show up later, a few carbonite slabs down from us (like neighbors!) and we'd be busting him out at some point too.

 

Then Chapter 5 happened and that threw me for a loop. However, some things about Marr's death and his treatment as a game companion still don't sit right with me:

 

1) Moments after Marr is blasted with lightning, we see Valkorian do the exact same thing to Arkann, yet he gets back up and walks away from it.

 

2) Marr has an influence meter and gets "approval" or "disapproval" messages during conversations. Why would BW bother with that if Marr was going to be just killed off so early in the story anyway? Why bother making Marr a companion at all? They could have had him just run around the ship with you as an NPC, fighting alongside you, like we've already done in game with other characters before.

 

I think BW may be messing with us. I'm prepared to accept that Marr could also be truly dead, but I still have hope.

 

100% agreed to what you said. Idk if you have played the chapter Asylum but there Arcann survives a HUGE lightning bolt. So Im like "your telling me Darth Marr, super powerful sith, cant survive a bolt one tenth the size of that huge one? -_-"

 

Ive mentioned the influence/affection meter to. Why bother having it if hes only going to be alive for 3 conversations? And then my answer, hes not dead. Or he is and is somehow coming back.

[Liquor]

Marr is a force ghost. He is dead and giving him gifts and making conversation choices meant nothing and was a waste of time and gifts.

 

Should be concerned about the state the game is in with 4.0 and the direction it now takes rather than a character in the narrative.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Liquor