EranofArcadia Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 The fact that adding a minor convenience to one minor part of the game, should inspire so much . . . ire, is one of those things I still can't get used to about the internet. Good job, guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Wicked Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 The fact that adding a minor convenience to one minor part of the game, should inspire so much . . . ire, is one of those things I still can't get used to about the internet. Good job, guys! "Ire" and "criticism" are not one and the same I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halinalle Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 "Ire" and "criticism" are not one and the same I believe. It's blind hate indeed. You haven't played this game for months. During that time KDY has changed: Load Lifter isn't the only champion level miniboss in KDY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Wicked Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) It's blind hate indeed. Constructive criticism. You haven't played this game for months. During that time KDY has changed: Load Lifter isn't the only champion level miniboss in KDY. Think you meant "flashpoint". Edited August 21, 2014 by Darth_Wicked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kremsau Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 It's blind hate indeed. Loooool. Hate is an awfully strong word, I suppose forums leave something to be said for tone and inflection. As far as (4) DPS going into KDY it's definitely not a for-sure that they're going to wipe. Typically if I'm pulling agro, I'll threat drop when I get low on HP. I skulk for a second, then continue burning. You can also kite while maintaining agro until it switches, in which case the DPS can use the same tactics. These are techniques learned out of necessity, if one player goes down...so be it. If all the players are wiping where an identical party isn't, should the entire game-mechanic be altered to suit, or should time be spent looking into your arsenal to see how you personally came make it happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halinalle Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Typically if I'm pulling agro, I'll threat drop when I get low on HP. Doesn't work always. Especially when you have "But I am ranged!" Vanguards/Powertechs in group who do only little dps. Only way to make sure you don't regain aggro is removing yourself from threat table = stealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kremsau Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) Doesn't work always. Especially when you have "But I am ranged!" Vanguards/Powertechs in group who do only little dps. Only way to make sure you don't regain aggro is removing yourself from threat table = stealth. I have my Vanguard set up as a tank (and am fully prepared to accept death in a KDY with no healer) in which case I can pull agro from a DPS who's about to die (ideally I would still be at full HP). As for the stealth thing, I know the Sentinel threat drop sends you into stealth. Haven't played a Mara. If you have four snipers they'd best anticipate the threat and start running like a chicken sans head when they dip below 50% while the others hopefully up their damage output. Edited August 21, 2014 by Kremsau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Wicked Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) I have my Vanguard set up as a tank (and am fully prepared to accept death in a KDY with no healer) in which case I can pull agro from a DPS who's about to die (ideally I would still be at full HP). As for the stealth thing, I know the Sentinel threat drop sends you into stealth. Haven't played a Mara. It's the same for Marauders. They're 100% identical, except for animations, name of abilities and skill trees. Edited August 21, 2014 by Darth_Wicked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halinalle Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 As for the stealth thing, I know the Sentinel threat drop sends you into stealth. Haven't played a Mara. It's still 50% drop only. I've been killed by STO few times just after using Force Camo because I tried to buy some time to get to kolto station but it didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I've done KDY with every imaginable group combination (except 4 healers) and it's never been a problem I've had group members push enemies down in the prison area and aggroing the entire room. Still not a problem. And I've been doing this in leveling characters so not very well geared (sometimes even ungeared basically). Still never been a problem. The ONLY time there's been a problem is when people don't know the boss mechanics and won't read when you tell them how to fight the boss. But that won't be saved by medpacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halinalle Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I've done KDY with every imaginable group combination (except 4 healers) and it's never been a problem I've had group members push enemies down in the prison area and aggroing the entire room. Still not a problem. And I've been doing this in leveling characters so not very well geared (sometimes even ungeared basically). Still never been a problem. The ONLY time there's been a problem is when people don't know the boss mechanics and won't read when you tell them how to fight the boss. But that won't be saved by medpacks. That's good about guild runs and doing it at max level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Wicked Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 That's good about guild runs and doing it at max level. You have a problem with reading things. I've done KDY with every imaginable group combination (except 4 healers) and it's never been a problem I've had group members push enemies down in the prison area and aggroing the entire room. Still not a problem. And I've been doing this in leveling characters so not very well geared (sometimes even ungeared basically). Still never been a problem. The ONLY time there's been a problem is when people don't know the boss mechanics and won't read when you tell them how to fight the boss. But that won't be saved by medpacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeweledleah Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 sigh. I guess none of you ever been in a group with highest level dps being in mid 20ties and no healers at all. its ok if some of you are ok with dying. and some of us? would rather not. its kinda the POINT of medpacks. in other words? DON"T USE THEM IF YOU ARE SO DAMN LEET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kremsau Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 DON"T USE THEM IF YOU ARE SO DAMN LEET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries_cz Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 How about those champions before the boss? - Group of two dps and two ranged-only "dps" Vanguards/Powertechs @ 15+ m - No heals - No level 51 medpacks Can you do it in 15-54 version? That dual wielder champion is pain in the... in that situation No idea how can someone play "ranged" Vanguard, when half of your abilities need you in short range... But all the fights are (usually easily) doable, if you use interrupts (if you got them) and/or use your defensive cooldowns. So basically if you team is not team of morons (which is entirely possible, given the fact they try to play Vanguard as ranged class) every fight in KDY is cakewalk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordArtemis Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I wasnt even aware of this. This is great news IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSaberMaster Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 In addition to the medstations? Is KDY that hard? Bloody hell. Haha!! I know right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 That's good about guild runs and doing it at max level. Never actually done it with my guild... or at max level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 sigh. I guess none of you ever been in a group with highest level dps being in mid 20ties and no healers at all. its ok if some of you are ok with dying. and some of us? would rather not. its kinda the POINT of medpacks. in other words? DON"T USE THEM IF YOU ARE SO DAMN LEET I have... and I still never wiped... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSaberMaster Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I have... and I still never wiped... Pretty much this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macarrin Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) Granted it's been a while since I did KDY as a lowbie, but I think this is still a good thing. Why? Because my dps guardian and my gunslinger inevitably end up in groups with no healer or a healer who wants to just dps "to make it go faster" and I tend to pull aggro the vast majority of the time and thus lose health. I know, use those med boxes, right? Maybe I end up in the HM KDY, but the only med boxes I see are on the end boss. And it's a little hard to rest and recover when some dumb **** force leaps to the next spawn while the group is almost dead "because it's just a tactical." So yeah, I like the thought of there being a medpac that recovers more than a tiny portion of my health. Edited August 21, 2014 by Macarrin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Like I said before, the ONLY time I've ever wiped is when nobody but me knew the boss mechanics AND they wouldn't listen to my instructions (or couldn't sometimes I've ended up in groups with people who don't understand english). And those are the only times that I, as a non-maxed out character with non-maxed gear, has ever wiped with a PUBBIE group. I've never played KDY at max level and I've never played it with my guild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMurdek Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Its nice to have an additional oh **** button when you come to notice the 2 assassins in your group do nothing but spam force lightning and the mercs rotation consists of sticky grenade aa aa aa aa. I have leveled 2 characters primarily with KDY and deaths happen maybe once in 12 runs. With med pacs i doubt they will happen at all. I have only full wiped once and it was because i was playing a mando healer (lvl 21) and we got the droid boss. lets just say adds and giant red lasers meant nothing to my teammates so i respec'd dps and tanked whilst killing all the suppression droids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halinalle Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) sigh. I guess none of you ever been in a group with highest level dps being in mid 20ties and no healers at all. I have few times but that was just after KDY was added to game. Time when people wanted to learn boss mechanics and everyone knew how to play their class even at very low levels. I'm even talking about 15-20, not 20-30. Most fun experiences I've ever had in KDY. No idea how can someone play "ranged" Vanguard, when half of your abilities need you in short range... Hammer Shot & Explosive Round spam + occasional Mortar Volley Edited August 22, 2014 by Halinalle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainot-keel Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 KDY was the only place in the game where, unless you were 51+,standards medpacks were a no-go, being absolutely worthless because of bolster. Except in KDY, you could effectively use medpakcs anywhere, during a class quest, a heroic, a side quest, killing an elite, a trash pack, whatever. Now KDY is the same as any other place/instance of the game in this regard. Oh, the Horror! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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